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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#321 » by NH » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:07 pm

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NH wrote:2 quick Qs:

- When is Irving coming back to play for the Blue Devils? For the Final 4?
- Does Kanter play for Kentucky or is he still in Europe?

I think the Raps will get one or the other.


There is no timeline for Irving's return. He may not be back for the tournament.

Kanter practices with Kentucky but he has been ruled permanently ineligible to play.


Why was Kanter ruled ineligible... Can he play next season? If Irving can't play for Duke this season, I wonder if he will decide to stay for another year since he feels he owes them one...
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#322 » by Throwback24 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:08 pm

I remember wanting one of Bledsoe and Bradley so bad last draft, good thing I'm not apart of the Raptors brass in any capacity.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#323 » by CunningLinguist » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:12 pm

Throwback24 wrote:I remember wanting one of Bledsoe and Bradley so bad last draft, good thing I'm not apart of the Raptors brass in any capacity.


I wanted Bledsoe and I still like his potential. I was never a fan of Bradley.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#324 » by CunningLinguist » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:16 pm

NH wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
NH wrote:2 quick Qs:

- When is Irving coming back to play for the Blue Devils? For the Final 4?
- Does Kanter play for Kentucky or is he still in Europe?

I think the Raps will get one or the other.


There is no timeline for Irving's return. He may not be back for the tournament.

Kanter practices with Kentucky but he has been ruled permanently ineligible to play.


Why was Kanter ruled ineligible... Can he play next season? If Irving can't play for Duke this season, I wonder if he will decide to stay for another year since he feels he owes them one...


Kanter received money from a Turkish club that affected his amateur status. They ruled him permanently ineligible, so he'll enter the draft, unless he's an idiot and tries again to get reinstated.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#325 » by TDotRep » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:31 pm

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I thought HB was a pure SF?? Are you suggesting he can play the 2 or he's supposed to be better than Derozan?


He's definitely more of a 3, but I think he can play some 2 as well. DeRozan tested as one of the slowest guards in the history of the pre-draft combine. I'm sure Harrison will fair at least slightly better in that area. You add his length, better defensive instincts, plus increased range on his jumper... and I don't see why he can't play the position better than DeMar. If Barnes can develop a bit of a post game he should be able to go to work w/ his size advantage against opposing SGs.


If we draft hb him and dd will be are 2-3 combo for the next 7 years.
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Post#326 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:33 pm

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I thought HB was a pure SF?? Are you suggesting he can play the 2 or he's supposed to be better than Derozan?


He's definitely more of a 3, but I think he can play some 2 as well. DeRozan tested as one of the slowest guards in the history of the pre-draft combine. I'm sure Harrison will fair at least slightly better in that area. You add his length, better defensive instincts, plus increased range on his jumper... and I don't see why he can't play the position better than DeMar. If Barnes can develop a bit of a post game he should be able to go to work w/ his size advantage against opposing SGs.


Ok cool, but i'd much rather pair the two together rather than ship out the more proven player to upgrade somewhere else. Either way a hole would still be created. Keeping the two of locks up our wings for like the next 5+ yrs
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#327 » by fredericklove » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:09 am

NH wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
NH wrote:2 quick Qs:

- When is Irving coming back to play for the Blue Devils? For the Final 4?
- Does Kanter play for Kentucky or is he still in Europe?

I think the Raps will get one or the other.


There is no timeline for Irving's return. He may not be back for the tournament.

Kanter practices with Kentucky but he has been ruled permanently ineligible to play.


Why was Kanter ruled ineligible... Can he play next season? If Irving can't play for Duke this season, I wonder if he will decide to stay for another year since he feels he owes them one...


Irving is projected to be top 2 pick, and if Raps or Cavs or Kings or Min get 1st pick, he's guarantee the 1st pick spot. So he'd be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if he stays...unless the lockout happens but I'd still enter if I'm the 1st pick lol !!

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#328 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:10 am

DaDamaja wrote:Barnes is exactly what this team needs. He's got good size at the 3 and his silky smooth jump shot will come around. I've watched quite a few UNC games this year and although at times he tends to be passive it's only because the tar heels don't force him the ball as their offense is mainly run through the PG and bigs (Henson, Zeller).

His length allows him to rebound and defend, qualities that will only improve with experience and confidence. He's excellent on the fast break, finishing through contact both on layups and dunks. He can get to the rim, hit the offensive glass, has a nice step back jumper, and will become a deadly 3pt shooter. There should be no concern over his fg%, that jump shot will come around. Whats not to love about this kid?


The concern is upside. Barnes' on ball skill leaves a lot to be desired. Basically what you're looking at if he pans out is someone who defends, hits 3s, rebounds and does a lot of little things well. Maybe a cross between Luol Deng and Shane Battier

I would love a player like that. But I'd love a perenniel all-star more. Barnes is a great pick for someone in the same position as OKC 09 - Westbrook and Durant in place, don't need another mouth who doesn't fit like Rubio or Tyreke, they needed a guy who'd hit 3s, play defense and be a great chemistry 3rd option. Barnes would be an epic pickup for the Clips right now. Oops... they traded that pick. He'd be a nice fit with Sac. He'd be a nice fit with Washington. He'd be a nice fit with NJ if they're planning on Deron and Dwight

But for a team who's best player is Bargnani, we probably need to take the risk on Irving, Perry Jones, Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter before Barnes as those guys have top 2 on a great team potential and you only get a few chances to get someone in that class. I'm good with Barnes from 5 down or so.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#329 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:13 am

A_wildstabatanything wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
I thought HB was a pure SF?? Are you suggesting he can play the 2 or he's supposed to be better than Derozan?


He's definitely more of a 3, but I think he can play some 2 as well. DeRozan tested as one of the slowest guards in the history of the pre-draft combine. I'm sure Harrison will fair at least slightly better in that area. You add his length, better defensive instincts, plus increased range on his jumper... and I don't see why he can't play the position better than DeMar. If Barnes can develop a bit of a post game he should be able to go to work w/ his size advantage against opposing SGs.


Harrison is much slower than Demar and has even worse handles. He could be a long term starting 2 if his job is to defend and his 3s. But from a on ball, shot creation standpoint he's not close to Demar's potential at the 2. Or anywhere.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#330 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:18 am

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A_wildstabatanything wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
I thought HB was a pure SF?? Are you suggesting he can play the 2 or he's supposed to be better than Derozan?


He's definitely more of a 3, but I think he can play some 2 as well. DeRozan tested as one of the slowest guards in the history of the pre-draft combine. I'm sure Harrison will fair at least slightly better in that area. You add his length, better defensive instincts, plus increased range on his jumper... and I don't see why he can't play the position better than DeMar. If Barnes can develop a bit of a post game he should be able to go to work w/ his size advantage against opposing SGs.


Harrison is much slower than Demar and has even worse handles. He could be a long term starting 2 if his job is to defend and his 3s. But from a on ball, shot creation standpoint he's not close to Demar's potential at the 2. Or anywhere.


Not sure about that handles comment. Definitely not worse than DeMar at USC. And his defense is a lot stronger at the same stage as well. My main concern is that he could be a bust, not that his upside isn't high. He's athletic enough, he's got some decent skill and he's a hard worker.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#331 » by A_wildstabatanything » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:19 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Harrison is much slower than Demar and has even worse handles. He could be a long term starting 2 if his job is to defend and his 3s. But from a on ball, shot creation standpoint he's not close to Demar's potential at the 2. Or anywhere.


We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Harrison's got a much brighter future IMO. Has DeMar really swung you that much these last couple of months? I don't remember you being that high on him in the past (IIRC you advocated picking Gerald Henderson at #9 that year).
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#332 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:25 am

Hey, Henderson's playing pretty well lately. He's played like 1200 minutes to Demar's 3800, so the situations have been different. But ftr I'd take Demar now and think it was the right pick albeit I think his stats this year have been inflated by getting a ton of "ball" on a horrible team

I'm not a *huge* fan of Demar but he has a speed and first step advantage over 2s and his handle is coming along better than I thought it would, thanks to his work ethic. Barnes is not going to be an on ball threat at the 2. At the 3... maybe. Not at the 2. He's not really faster than NBA 3s, let alone 2s
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#333 » by TheRealDeal » Tue Mar 1, 2011 3:34 am

But his game is now as good as advertised. Barnes is leading North Carolina in scoring with a 15.6-point average in Atlantic Coast Conference games. Since rallying his team at home Jan. 13 against Virginia Tech with several late hoops, Barnes has averaged 16.2 points over the last 12 games. That includes a 26-point game against Boston College and a 25-point game against North Carolina State.


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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#334 » by 5DOM » Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:03 am

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#335 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:51 am

A little insight into Kyrie Irving's rehab sessions:

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#336 » by Comeatme_Bro » Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:27 am

Do you guys think Perry Jones can play SF in the nba??
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Post#337 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:37 am

Although I haven't seen him play much the the fact that HB has been playing steller as of late should give us a lot more confidence going into the draft. If we are in the top 5 then we will definately be able to fill a hole with our pick this summer. Either at the pg or at SF. This draft may be weak, but I think we will end up with a good player where we draft.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#338 » by prototype » Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:43 am

Comeatme_Bro wrote:Do you guys think Perry Jones can play SF in the nba??

No.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#339 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:53 am

Comeatme_Bro wrote:Do you guys think Perry Jones can play SF in the nba??


Thats the great debate. Some say yes, I think the majority of board thinks no. I think if hes on the board when we select i think we'll take him if he can play the 3
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#340 » by N1QUE24 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 6:05 am

Anyone care to tell me what the downsides are to Fredette's game? He reminds me of Deron Williams in college.. don't crucify me if I'm way off on this :o

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