Off Topic III

[e4Nf6]

I enjoyed this list of the 100 worst offensive performance since 1987:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8937

Raymond Felton is on there twice. Stephen Jackson´s now infamous "drunk" game vs. the Clippers is #22. Kenyon Martin is #3 and #13 both games from the 2003 finals!

[Jaruff]

Ahhhhh, Facebook Bobcats fans can be so **** (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

"It's MJ's fault we didn't keep Felton, Chandler, and Wallace"
"MJ is cheap because he doesn't want to spend money"

They don't realize that by keeping Felton and Chandler, we'd be matching Dallas' payroll this season. Could you imagine having the third or fourth highest payroll in the league for a team that wins 40 games? Only the Lolcats could pull that off.

smfh

[doc.end]

Fix: Bobcats fans are mostly (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Realgm is a sanctuary for the rest. Every time I wonder somewhere else (to get more - like when trades, drafts happen) I have to rush back in disbelief.

[captaincrunk]

Fix: Bobcats fans are mostly (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Realgm is a sanctuary for the rest. Every time I wonder somewhere else (to get more - like when trades, drafts happen) I have to rush back in disbelief.

It's not Bobcats fans. It's that way everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

[fatlever]

MJ isnt cheap for not resigning felton and trading okafor, chandler and wallace. but he should be held accountable for signing off on:

okafor's extension
picking up ammo's option
trading for nazr
trading for diop
resigning carroll for too much money

all decisions that helped eventually put us in a horrible position regarding our salaries.

the cost of getting our salary cap back to where it should be for a 35-45 win team is losing talent. hopefully MJ learned his lesson and does a better job managing the salaries going forward.

[captaincrunk]

I didn't mind Nazr that much. Carroll was a bit of a blunder, and Diop was his Titanic moment. Honestly I think he's learned. If there's one thing I'd like for him to have learned, it's that Diop is paid far too much.

[fatlever]

I didn't mind Nazr that much. Carroll was a bit of a blunder, and Diop was his Titanic moment. Honestly I think he's learned. If there's one thing I'd like for him to have learned, it's that Diop is paid far too much.

the nazr trade was one of the worst. we traded herrmann (who was 2nd team all-rookie) and expiring and primoz who was expiring for nazr who had 4 years on his deal (at the time). all because sam vincent wanted to play okafor at power forward and because vincent refused to play herrmann. it was an awful deal brought on by an awful coach and approved by an gm and owner who didnt have the common sense to tell vincent to suck it. nazr has been decent (at times) but the price we paid for him was way beyond what he gave us in terms of production.

[captaincrunk]

I didn't mind Nazr that much. Carroll was a bit of a blunder, and Diop was his Titanic moment. Honestly I think he's learned. If there's one thing I'd like for him to have learned, it's that Diop is paid far too much.

the nazr trade was one of the worst. we traded herrmann (who was 2nd team all-rookie) and expiring and primoz who was expiring for nazr who had 4 years on his deal (at the time). all because sam vincent wanted to play okafor at power forward and because vincent refused to play herrmann. it was an awful deal brought on by an awful coach and approved by an gm and owner who didnt have the common sense to tell vincent to suck it. nazr has been decent (at times) but the price we paid for him was way beyond what he gave us in terms of production.

Nazr > Primoz and Herrmann. The contract was obviously pretty bad but other than that it wasn't so horrible.

[Jaruff]

MJ isnt cheap for not resigning felton and trading okafor, chandler and wallace. but he should be held accountable for signing off on:

okafor's extension
picking up ammo's option
trading for nazr
trading for diop
resigning carroll for too much money

all decisions that helped eventually put us in a horrible position regarding our salaries.

the cost of getting our salary cap back to where it should be for a 35-45 win team is losing talent. hopefully MJ learned his lesson and does a better job managing the salaries going forward.

True. One that always comes to mind is the Radmon / Shannon Brown & Morrison swap. That wasn't as much with salary as our willingness to trade prospects away under Larry Brown (why hire Larry Brown for a young team anyway?). The Nazr trade kind of worked out for us in the end but I thought it was horrible when it was done. The Diop deal, well, someone was on the sauce that night.

I didn't mind Nazr that much. Carroll was a bit of a blunder, and Diop was his Titanic moment. Honestly I think he's learned. If there's one thing I'd like for him to have learned, it's that Diop is paid far too much.

the nazr trade was one of the worst. we traded herrmann (who was 2nd team all-rookie) and expiring and primoz who was expiring for nazr who had 4 years on his deal (at the time). all because sam vincent wanted to play okafor at power forward and because vincent refused to play herrmann. it was an awful deal brought on by an awful coach and approved by an gm and owner who didnt have the common sense to tell vincent to suck it. nazr has been decent (at times) but the price we paid for him was way beyond what he gave us in terms of production.

In hindsight, there wasn't a huge difference between LB and Vincent trying to screw up the roster. LB was just a better coach so he had better results.

In OT news, why does ESPN feel an obligation to report on employees?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6167142

[hotrod]

jeskeets Gerald Wallace has a sweaty face http://dlvr.it/Ht3mh #TBJ

Wondered why he wasn't wearing one.

[Jaruff]

jeskeets Gerald Wallace has a sweaty face http://dlvr.it/Ht3mh #TBJ

Wondered why he wasn't wearing one.

Dude needs his headband back.

Maybe Nate doesn't allow them because he's jealous he never had the chance to wear one?

[fatlever]

I didn't mind Nazr that much. Carroll was a bit of a blunder, and Diop was his Titanic moment. Honestly I think he's learned. If there's one thing I'd like for him to have learned, it's that Diop is paid far too much.

the nazr trade was one of the worst. we traded herrmann (who was 2nd team all-rookie) and expiring and primoz who was expiring for nazr who had 4 years on his deal (at the time). all because sam vincent wanted to play okafor at power forward and because vincent refused to play herrmann. it was an awful deal brought on by an awful coach and approved by an gm and owner who didnt have the common sense to tell vincent to suck it. nazr has been decent (at times) but the price we paid for him was way beyond what he gave us in terms of production.

Nazr > Primoz and Herrmann. The contract was obviously pretty bad but other than that it wasn't so horrible.

in 12 games as a starter (end of march - end of season in 2006-7 season) herrmann averaged 19.6ppg and 5.7rpg on 58% fg. primoz sucked, but he was an expiring contract. taking on nazr prevented us from having any kind of cap room in summer of 2008. not to mention the fact that nazr spent a year in LBs dog house and barely played in 2008-9 season. AND we let the pistons get out of nazr's horrible contract. he was rotting on their bench and had 4 years left. we didnt get nearly enough in return for taking on nazr's 4 years. it was a panic trade to appease a crap coach.

[Jaruff]

in 12 games as a starter (end of march - end of season in 2006-7 season) herrmann averaged 19.6ppg and 5.7rpg on 58% fg. primoz sucked, but he was an expiring contract. taking on nazr prevented us from having any kind of cap room in summer of 2008. not to mention the fact that nazr spent a year in LBs dog house and barely played in 2008-9 season. AND we let the pistons get out of nazr's horrible contract. he was rotting on their bench and had 4 years left. we didnt get nearly enough in return for taking on nazr's 4 years. it was a panic trade to appease a crap coach.

Random useless trivia: Primo currently plays on the same team (BC Krasnye Krylya Samara) as Gerald Green and another Bobcats expansion pick, J.R. Bremer.

Thanks Wikipedia.

[BigSlam]

jeskeets Gerald Wallace has a sweaty face http://dlvr.it/Ht3mh #TBJ

Wondered why he wasn't wearing one.

He has played without a headband this season. Not an entire game, but he 100% has started 2nd halfs or 4th qtr's without a headband.

[Marvel]

At the time of the Nazr trade, i was mad, disappointed, let down and WTF??? Hermann was playing 10 levels above Morrison, and was arguably our best player towrds the tail end of the 06-07 season. I was high on Hermann being part of our future.

At the end of it all though, we get back DJ White.....yay.

[W_HAMILTON]

okafor's extension

Paying Okafor 10m sure looks like a bargain when compared with paying Nazr, Diop, and Chandler 25-30m to suck all kinds of ass.

We should have paid Okafor and signed cheap bargain backup centers year-by-year and we would have been set. Instead, apparently because Okafor wasn't Howard, we kept dicking around, and now we have Kwame Brown and Joel Przybilla at center at a cost savings of around 2-3m of what we would be paying Okafor. Woohoo.

Like I said, it was the beginning of the end.

[amcoolio]

Just curious, where have you been until the LB firing, Hamilton. You disappeared after the playoffs.

Hamilton and I go way back to the old ESPN Charlotte Hornets message board

[W_HAMILTON]

I moved away to attend graduate school and wasn't able to follow the team as much.

[fatlever]

okafor's extension

Paying Okafor 10m sure looks like a bargain when compared with paying Nazr, Diop, and Chandler 25-30m to suck all kinds of ass.

We should have paid Okafor and signed cheap bargain backup centers year-by-year and we would have been set. Instead, apparently because Okafor wasn't Howard, we kept dicking around, and now we have Kwame Brown and Joel Przybilla at center at a cost savings of around 2-3m of what we would be paying Okafor. Woohoo.

Like I said, it was the beginning of the end.

i agree about the diop and nazr part. i never liked them. they had horrible contracts and we should have never traded for either one. both trades were massive mistakes. as for chandler, i still say he was hurt last year, unfortunately for us. sucks that we didnt get to have him when he was healthy. he is obviously a completely different player this year now that he is healthy. in hindsight the gamble to chase paul using dampiers contract was also a mistake only made slightly less painful by the fact that we were able to land kwame for dirt cheap.

okafor's salary numbers for the next 4 years

2010-11: 11.5
2011-12: 12.5
2012-13: 13.5
2013-14: 14.5

would i rather have okafor or kwame (contracts excluded). i will take okafor. would i rather have okafor at 11.5 or kwame at 1.2. give me kwame.

per 36
kwame 11ppg 10rpg
chandler 13ppg 12rpg
okafor 12ppg 11rpg

really not a whole lot of difference between the 3 other than salaries. kwame is a bargain for the production we get out of him. yay, we finally got one right. sure his finishing sucks balls, but he is still half decent.

its too bad that silas and oakley werent around with okafor though. i think okafor would be a completely different player today if he had been coached by silas and oakley for the past 3-4 years. bickerstaff wasnt much of a teacher. sam was a guard's coach and a moron and larry could care less about post players on offense. he just wants someone who can chase on pick and rolls.

[fatlever]

debating okafor never gets old