The Future of the Bobcats

[JMAC3]

This thread should be used for only talking about the Bobcats future. This includes trades, free agents, coaches, draft, and current players. This should not be used for talking about previous trades and what we shoulda coulda done in the past. We know that we do not have Wallace, Okafor and Felton anymore and that is the fact. Arguing about what we could of done differently does not make this a better team.
Also, I want this to be more than a go get CP3 and Dwight Howard thread. This may be a great option, but most likely is not the most realistic option. I would like to see new ideas brought to this board rather than same 3 scenarios that I have heard over and over again. Also, try to be realistic with trades and contracts. No DJ Augustine for Chris Paul straight up trades and stuff like that.

[countryboi]

what future according to Ham and the rest of the league we have none....better pack up shop now

[fatlever]

be fiscally conservative for the next 16 months. dont take on any long deals unless they are no-brainers. make a hard play at paul this summer. offer dj, boris (expirings), multiple 1st round picks. hornets will say no and unless paul again forces the issue we wont have a shot. but we tried. build around dj, hendo and tyrus. try to move jax in offseason for an expiring deal (in 2012) and 1st round pick + maybe a young player, but do it quietly. something similar to the wallace deal. if nobody bites, hang on to him and try again next feb at deadline. pick up a couple of free agents in late august and sign them to one year deals (preferably a center and a wing who can score). dont overpay for kwame. nothing more than 3mil per for 1 or 2 years. if he doesnt like it, let him walk. and pump a lot of resources into the scouting department. we will need it.

[Jaruff]

be fiscally conservative for the next 16 months. dont take on any long deals unless they are no-brainers. make a hard play at paul this summer. offer dj, boris (expirings), multiple 1st round picks. hornets will say no and unless paul again forces the issue we wont have a shot. but we tried. build around dj, hendo and tyrus. try to move jax in offseason for an expiring deal (in 2012) and 1st round pick + maybe a young player, but do it quietly. something similar to the wallace deal. if nobody bites, hang on to him and try again next feb at deadline. pick up a couple of free agents in late august and sign them to one year deals (preferably a center and a wing who can score). dont overpay for kwame. nothing more than 3mil per for 1 or 2 years. if he doesnt like it, let him walk. and pump a lot of resources into the scouting department. we will need it.

You forgot one: bring Walter Hermann back.

[Ruhiel]

Honestly the way I see it, in the more bang for your buck NBA. Tyrus Thomas will have to play SF and sign some marquee bigs. Then flip SJax or make Hondo into a marquee player.

SG- Iguodala*; marque

SF- Tyrus Thomas; he can play this spot and will have to in order to sign best available players to surround a PG (other big men). If he cannot play the spot Charlotte has no future in free agency especially as a small market.

Free Agency:
PF- David West (reports he wants $10M); Z-Bo wants $20M;
C- Dalembert, Glen Davis (champ experience; could be had for $10 M?);
Chandler; Robin Lopez (RFA, not marquee)
*- 76ers r moving younger; Thad Young wants around $10 mil, ever since they let Andre Miller go 76ers have been slowly imploding, Iguodala is the next shoe to fall; he can guard many positions, sneaking suspicion he will be available


Lineup:
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Kidd(9M)?/Nash (10M)/Paul (18M) - based on last contracts
Iguodala (12M)/Henderson (3M)
Thomas (8M)/???
West (CP3 friend?) or Davis(10-12M)/
Chandler/Dalembert (10-12M)
-this lineup is good enuff 4 any FA PG to consider as a contender
--/AI2/T2/West/Dalembert ($62M for starting lineup; $54 if PG is $10 million)

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Tradeable Assets: Diaw (1 year), S.Jax?? (2 years); Augustin, , Livingston (2 years)
Trade Exception: (Can take on $2M salary; perhaps use 4 Iguodala)

[Stun704]

Whats the chance of Howard signing with us, if we get CP3?

[bobcats3wallace]

Whats the chance of Howard signing with us, if we get CP3?

Bigger question is how do you plan on having room and assets to land both? Say you trade for CP3 with a package that includes DJ,Hendo,picks,Diaw. Would you then wait for Howard to become a free agent and hope that the CP3 draw would be enough? Defiantly a pipe dream, but i'm sure that Howard would love to play with a PG like CP...can you imagine those two together?

Anyway, I think our future is just fine. I think we will pursue CP3 this offseason and may even have a decent chance to land him. I also think that Jeff Green would be a good sign for this team this offseason. Outside of him, don't spend any money unless it's a short 1 year contract. We just need to keep collecting young talent and money. I think Jeff Green would go nicely with DJ/Hendo/Thomas if we fail to land CP3 or other "star" players. Marc Gasol may also be a wortwhile target, but I highly doubt that the Griz let him walk.

[W_HAMILTON]

I say this without any sarcasm (truly): don't waste more than 1-3m on a center, and sign them for no more than 1-2 years. We probably don't want to devote the sort of cap space needed to retain an above average center, so just commit to putting as few resources into that position as possible. Just sign guys like Ratliff, Kwame, Przybilla, etc. on the cheap and take what they will give you; if they want a long-term deal averaging more than 4m/year, let them walk and find some other straggler.

Don't overpay anyone. If you take on an overpaid contract (a la Diaw) in a trade, make sure it lasts no longer than the following season.

Unless it's a can't-miss franchise player, let all of our rookie contract players explore UFA. Let them establish a market, then hope that if we pay a little more than they, they will be willing to stay with us. Players (and more so agents) will probably be put off, and we risk losing talent that way, but if we are going to be strict about not messing up financially, that's what needs to be done. Maybe MJ can work his magic in this situation.

Take a chance on any player that comes at a bargain price for one year, even if it means you just end up showcasing that player for the league and earning him a bigger contract somewhere else. Odds are that someone will stay at some point.

[Marvel]

If MJ IS targeting CP3 i would say he would be looking at Dwight as well. Both have ETO's in 2012-13.

[countryboi]

If MJ IS targeting CP3 i would say he would be looking at Dwight as well. Both have ETO's in 2012-13.

this only works if you can get CP3 first.....then maybe just maybe

[fatlever]

when it comes to dj and hendo - rod and mj need to get together and determine what they are willing to pay to keep these two players. then they need to compare their number vs the number they expect dj and hendo to command on the free market. if the perceived free market number is much higher than the number they are willing to pay, dont wait around for them to become free agents, go ahead and trade them for another young player and or picks. dont overpay to keep them and dont lose them for nothing. keep this cycle going until you land a franchise player either via trade or the draft.

[BigSlam]

As of today I would think that DJ is worth something like 35/5 and Hendo around 30/5.

[BobsBuddy]

Sign Corey Brewer off Waivers today to backup Jax at 3. Trade Jax in 2012 for wing 2 or 3.
In off season sign FA veteran point as DJ will test the market after next season.
Trade DJ in 2012 (CP3 will go to NYK or other big market)
Package both 2011 1st round picks and move up to draft a center.
Resign Kuwamee to 2 year deal before season ends
Build around Hendo, TT, Kuwamee(or Center 2011 pick)
Keep Livingston on 1-2 year short contracts depending on health

[doc.end]

Why should we trade for Paul? Let just walk him off and sign him outright. It's not like league should make significant trades.

[Rich4114]

Why should we trade for Paul? Let just walk him off and sign him outright. It's not like league should make significant trades.

I think the issue is we risk the same thing the Knicks would've risked by waiting for Melo. I thought about this too but I know with Melo he was leaving $40m on the table by just waiting for his contract to expire and signing outright with NYK. By getting traded first he was able to do the extension and get his extra $40m. If CP3 is the same thing then we should make a play this summer. If not, then I agree let's work to do what Miami did between this summer and next so we can outright sign D12 and CP3. Imagine the amount of alley oups they would put up?

Oh btw, we could sign Gerald Wallace at the same time so our big 3 would be CP3, Wallace, and D12. If not Wallace, then find a way to get West.

D12 + West on the front court + CP3 as PG = put warm bodies at the wings and call it a day. The SG/SF we put in with that lineup will get constant open shots and we would compete with the big time teams for a ring. This is a long stretch of course, but if they have an ideal 2 year goal it should be that.

[doc.end]

Knicks lost that Melo trade and it si not even close. I would rather get second tier FAs (like Joe Johnson - not for the same price) and our core than trading everybody for one of those primadonna superstar.

[Rich4114]

Knicks lost that Melo trade and it si not even close. I would rather get second tier FAs (like Joe Johnson - not for the same price) and our core than trading everybody for one of those primadonna superstar.

I agree, they gave up too much to not get much farther in the standings (if at all). But I think you need to look at the long term. Over time, you can rebuild around the superstar as opposed to building up a team of pretty good players and one star.

Speaking of CP3, here's a confusing article on ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_ ... chris-paul

I guess maybe this could reduce his value slightly? I can't see how a partially torn meniscus could change a player too much over the long haul. I would imagine the biggest difference is no more Byron Scott who runs a system ideal for PG's. Whatever, I'd still give up every asset we had to get him and ride it out from there.

[Marvel]

Agreed. When i first read about the trade, i was very surprised that NY gave up Chandler and Gallo, not to mention Mozgov. They really needed to keep Mozgov as they had no other center on that roster. I mean they had Shawne Williams guarding Dwight last night.....WTF???

[Rich4114]

Agreed. When i first read about the trade, i was very surprised that NY gave up Chandler and Gallo, not to mention Mozgov. They really needed to keep Mozgov as they had no other center on that roster. I mean they had Shawne Williams guarding Dwight last night.....WTF???

Ironically, the guy most Knicks fans I spoke to were pissed the most about losing was Felton. They should come look through our archives.

Billups has actually been really good for them though.

They really lack depth and defense now. But like I said, they could build that stuff back in a hell of a lot easier than a superstar or two.

[BigSlam]

Ironically, the guy most Knicks fans I spoke to were pissed the most about losing was Felton.

Really??? The Knicks board here at RGM were happy to send him and his 39% shooting from the floor, 28% shooting from three, 3 turn overs per game, looking for his own shot too much and not knowing how to run a team since Christmas arse out of town!