Michael Beasley

Moderators: HartfordWhalers, Texas Chuck, BullyKing, Andre Roberstan, loserX, Trader_Joe, Mamba4Goat, pacers33granger, MoneyTalks41890

User avatar
revprodeji
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 22,388
And1: 8
Joined: Dec 25, 2002
Location: Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought
Contact:

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#41 » by revprodeji » Thu Mar 3, 2011 10:44 pm

I would have never said Beasley wants to pad stats. Where is that coming from? Or is it just the token excuse for a player with good numbers that you do not like?
http://www.timetoshop.org
Weight management, Sports nutrition and more...
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#42 » by Krapinsky » Thu Mar 3, 2011 10:53 pm

Relentless88 wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:The Wizards need to get rid of their dumb enigmas, not add another one

I wouldn't take Beasley for free. I think long term he has Charlie Villaneuva's career. 6th man stretch PF who should be better than he is, gets a 6-7 mil contract from someone, proceeds to be ignored by the people who know winning basketball

I'm not at all upset the Raptors didn't take him.


Ridiculous.

I actually somewhat agree with Mufasa. I'm actually happy he's not on the Raptors. I've watched him play and it is pretty frustrating. Not much on the defensive end, and he seems to like padding his stats. I mean I would've taken Beasley and flipped him somewhere else for more value, but I wouldn't want him on the Raptors.

He certainly has more value than the 2nd round picks he was dealt for, but I don't think he has the value he had after he got drafted. Nick Young/Blatche are the type of players you can get for him IMO. Unless of course he's packaged with someone like Flynn for a much bigger move.


Huh? Nick Young is a RFA and is 26. Beasley has more talent in his pinky than Charlie Villanueva and has a much better work ethic and desire to succeed than Blatche. He hasn't put it together yet, as he's struggling with lingering ankle issues and has had his playing time jacked around. At 22, he still has the upside of a #1 scorer on a good team and that's much more than you can say of Young, Blatche, or (puke) Charlie V.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
shangrila
RealGM
Posts: 13,525
And1: 6,599
Joined: Dec 21, 2009
Location: Land of Aus
 

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#43 » by shangrila » Fri Mar 4, 2011 1:59 am

I think it's a little stupid to look at Beasley now in his first season on a new team, in a new system and while trying to adapt to a new position as well, and use it to try and judge how his career will go. On top of that he's been dealing with an ankle injury, which is a big deal in basketball.

He's a guy with potential, basically, but he's at least got some production to back it up and is only, what, 22? That's certainly worth more then a headcase in Blatche or a 26 year old who didn't do much until, surprise surprise, his contract year.
User avatar
Diop
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 40,562
And1: 20,887
Joined: Jul 24, 2004
Location: Diop Dead Ugly
 

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#44 » by Diop » Fri Mar 4, 2011 3:10 am

Alright then S Jax and a 2nd rounder
Image
skorff26
Analyst
Posts: 3,000
And1: 17
Joined: Dec 05, 2006

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#45 » by skorff26 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:44 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:With that said, I kind of love the Bucks for him. Milwaukee's 1st for Beasley? Or is that overpaying

That'd be an interesting idea from the Wolves perspective. I'm sure some wolves fans would take that.
skorff26
Analyst
Posts: 3,000
And1: 17
Joined: Dec 05, 2006

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#46 » by skorff26 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 7:46 am

First thing that came to my mind was something centered around Beasley for Mayo... especially if Memphis decides not to spend to keep Randolph and Gasol. He could be a cheaper Randolph replacement.
NCHeels2008
RealGM
Posts: 12,954
And1: 3,019
Joined: Aug 24, 2005

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#47 » by NCHeels2008 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:14 am

How about rights to Calathes, Barea and Ian Mahinmi
User avatar
John Doe [MIN]
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,281
And1: 9
Joined: Jul 15, 2009

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#48 » by John Doe [MIN] » Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:43 am

NCHeels2008 wrote:How about rights to Calathes, Barea and Ian Mahinmi

Is there anything more insulting than being offered a package centered around the rights to a player you sold to the offering team for cash? Minnesota's valuation of Calathes is somewhere south of $3 million dollars.

There was a semi-plausible MIN/LAC/POR three-way that had Minnesota giving Beasley and Rubio for Eric Gordon. I loved that one. LAC fans didn't.
User avatar
Foye
Club Captain- German Soccer
Posts: 25,088
And1: 3,620
Joined: Jul 29, 2008
Location: Frankfurt
 

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#49 » by Foye » Fri Mar 4, 2011 12:48 pm

skorff26 wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:With that said, I kind of love the Bucks for him. Milwaukee's 1st for Beasley? Or is that overpaying

That'd be an interesting idea from the Wolves perspective. I'm sure some wolves fans would take that.


And I'm sure the majority would decline because another 1st round pick is relatively worthless for us.
A 2012 1st rounder might be a different story but we got our own pick this season who projects to be in the top 5 and possibly 2 other mid firsts as well. :dontknow:
shrink
RealGM
Posts: 59,404
And1: 19,447
Joined: Sep 26, 2005

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#50 » by shrink » Fri Mar 4, 2011 1:31 pm

I think Beasley is being under-valued. The guy can put up 20 PPG. That's an uncommon abaility in the NBA, and on half the teams in the league, Beasley would instantly become their #1 scorer.

And while he has his flaws, he just turned 22 this year, and even at 20 PPG, the kid has only scratched his phenomenal potential. Now, maybe he reaches it, and maybe he doesn't, but still - there is a potential superstar in Beasley, and that's something you can only say about a couple players in each draft class,

The NBA is a superstar league, and like many teams, MIN desperately needs to find one, so I think shangrila is right ..

shangrila wrote: I don't think Beasley gets moved and I think his value to Minnesota would be greater then his general trade value, so it would cost.
jgustav1
Analyst
Posts: 3,367
And1: 21
Joined: Jul 29, 2003

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#51 » by jgustav1 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 3:04 pm

shrink wrote:I think Beasley is being under-valued. The guy can put up 20 PPG. That's an uncommon abaility in the NBA, and on half the teams in the league, Beasley would instantly become their #1 scorer.


I think a lot of teams look at Beasley as being a good 6th man scorer off the bench, similar to a front court version of Jamal Crawford who can score 16 ppg or so on a decent team. Defensively, he has too many issues playing small forward to become a starter at that position or the #1 scorer for a majority of teams.
User avatar
moocow007
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 98,235
And1: 25,689
Joined: Jan 07, 2002
Location: In front of the computer, where else?
       

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#52 » by moocow007 » Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:24 pm

A bottom of the barrel lottery pick in a projected weak draft is not fair value for Beasley. People still are overrating draft picks...especially a bottom end lotto pick where you would be absolutely on cloud nine if you can find a guy that can produce like Beasley can. Wolves already have that guy, no reason for them to trade him for a shot at someone that might be able to get near being that guy (but chances are will be less productive).

Yes...people are underrating Beasley and believe me I'm not a Wolves fans so no potential homerism going on here. He may not be an all-star (at least not in the short term) but that doesn't mean he's not better than a late lotto pick and a potluck shot at who knows what marginal talent in a draft. And as stated, the last thing the Wolves need is to deal guys that have proven they can produce for more future uncertainty.

...well not unless Kahn's plan is for a decades long rebuild.
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
Posts: 20,712
And1: 1,952
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#53 » by Krapinsky » Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:31 pm

Moocow is right about overrating draft picks.

If you're talking late lottery -- you have to go back to 2001 to find a player drafted with the last 4 picks in the lottery (11-14) that was better than Beasley at any point in his career (Richard jefferson). Most others are not even close. In other words, Beasley is better than the last 40 players drafted in the late lottery.
FinnTheHuman wrote: Your post is just garbage.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:Garbage post, indeed.
LOOSH
Rookie
Posts: 1,215
And1: 53
Joined: Jul 09, 2008
Location: Rip City

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#54 » by LOOSH » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:29 am

He's young and can certainly score, but lets face it... the guy is a moron. That's not really something you can improve, especially in the short term. The bigger issue for me though is not just the lack of defense but his total lack of position. Where do you play this guy and with who? To me he would be nice as a 6th man providing offense off the bench, but he just doesn't play winning basketball right now.

To say you need Granger or Iggy level return on this guy is comical -- he's a total enigma in every sense of the word.

OJ Mayo for Beasley is a deal that makes some sense IMO.
Guy986
RealGM
Posts: 17,759
And1: 647
Joined: Oct 09, 2005
Location: BBG Nation unite!

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#55 » by Guy986 » Sat Mar 5, 2011 3:42 am

I think Minny has to move Beasley someway somehow. He's hell of a scorer but he really shouldnt be playing small forward fulltime. Stephen Jackson for Beasley helps both teams i think.

3 of the Wolves most prized young players, love, AR, Beasley are PowerForwards. Playing two of them out of postion can't be a good idea.
User avatar
southern wolf
General Manager
Posts: 9,854
And1: 2,163
Joined: Aug 02, 2008
Location: Australia
   

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#56 » by southern wolf » Sat Mar 5, 2011 8:44 am

Guy986 wrote:I think Minny has to move Beasley someway somehow. He's hell of a scorer but he really shouldnt be playing small forward fulltime. Stephen Jackson for Beasley helps both teams i think.


Jackson's 10 years older, by the time we're sniffing the play-offs he'll be on the brink of retiring. I don't think Kahn is that desperate for vet leadership. The Cats could have had Beas in the off-season, that ship's sailed now.
User avatar
dookieguy
Veteran
Posts: 2,552
And1: 2
Joined: Oct 16, 2008

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#57 » by dookieguy » Sat Mar 5, 2011 1:20 pm

Beasley's basically Melo-lite. Talented and clutch volume scorer, but not a terrific fit everywhere.

Remember, this is the guy who was putting up 22~23ppg on nearly 50% FG before he got injured and derailed.
Image
Ian Kognitow
Rookie
Posts: 1,160
And1: 11
Joined: Aug 13, 2008

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#58 » by Ian Kognitow » Sat Mar 5, 2011 2:20 pm

LOOSH wrote:The bigger issue for me though is not just the lack of defense but his total lack of position. Where do you play this guy and with who? To me he would be nice as a 6th man providing offense off the bench, but he just doesn't play winning basketball right now.


Guy986 wrote:3 of the Wolves most prized young players, love, AR, Beasley are PowerForwards. Playing two of them out of postion can't be a good idea.


If he were to start living up to his promise a versatile defender and top-level rebounder (with some opportunistic scoring ability, as well), Randolph would actually seem to be the kind of forward Beasley could successfully be paired with [somewhat similarly, in a trade scenario I recently wrote up, I argued that Beasley could be a great acquisition by LAC since B. Griffin would be another forward that would highly-complement Beasley's skill-set, and compensate for some of his deficiencies].
--So, if Randolph can show himself to be a legitimate player with MIN, rather than asking what Beasley might be flipped for, a better question might be: Could K. Love be exchanged in a deal that might bring in the kind of player--likely at SG or C--that could genuinely unify (in a way neither Love, nor Beasley, have been able to do) MIN's significant talents in order to establish a team identity and hierarchy which could prove to represent a basis for some actual wins. I'm not sure if any fair deal of Love for an established player capable of leading the team could be made, but it may be the question to ask rather than seeing MIN continue flipping various talented players through their roster indefinitely.
User avatar
dockingsched
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 56,661
And1: 23,969
Joined: Aug 02, 2005
     

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#59 » by dockingsched » Sat Mar 5, 2011 4:06 pm

shrink wrote:I think Beasley is being under-valued. The guy can put up 20 PPG. That's an uncommon abaility in the NBA, and on half the teams in the league, Beasley would instantly become their #1 scorer.


eh, i don't know about that. im not sure if you mean his current ppg would put him as a new team's #1 scorer, or if he'd actually be the #1 option on half the teams in the league. if its the former, i haven't looked at the numbers of leading scorers, but i assume his shot attempts would go down on most teams he's traded to anyway, if its the latter there's no way to agree with it.

i agree with the mayo level type of value being mentioned.
"We must try not to sink beneath our anguish, Harry, but battle on." - Dumbledore
WiscoKing13
RealGM
Posts: 11,978
And1: 1,441
Joined: Jan 03, 2009
     

Re: Michael Beasley 

Post#60 » by WiscoKing13 » Sat Mar 5, 2011 5:12 pm

bucks first round pick(6-10ish), Maggette for Beasley???
DanoMac wrote:
bullox wrote:That phone number was an asset to you. You had a direct line to the gm. You've squandered it.


I squandered an asset? Then Hammond taught me well.

Return to Trades and Transactions