ImageImageImage

Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder

Moderators: bwgood77, Qwigglez, lilfishi22

KLEON
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,905
And1: 2,144
Joined: Jul 15, 2009
   

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#121 » by KLEON » Tue Mar 8, 2011 3:34 am

Suns need to go to Rasheed Wallace or Tim Thomas doorstep and BEG one of them to play for them because I don't see any other players that can replace Frye. If that doesn't work out they have to start both Gortat and MP.

Nash
VC
MP
Hill
Gortat
User avatar
Nando88
Veteran
Posts: 2,568
And1: 256
Joined: Feb 06, 2009

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#122 » by Nando88 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:13 am

KLEON wrote:Suns need to go to Rasheed Wallace or Tim Thomas doorstep and BEG one of them to play for them because I don't see any other players that can replace Frye. If that doesn't work out they have to start both Gortat and MP.

Nash
VC
MP
Hill
Gortat



EWWWWW to that lineup
Revived
RealGM
Posts: 37,393
And1: 22,198
Joined: Feb 17, 2011

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#123 » by Revived » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:41 am

Anyone else think Gentry should try Gortat & Lopez together? We have only tried that once and that was when no one was familiar with each other.

Gortat has shown time & time again that he can knock down 18-20 ft jump shots on a regular basis.

We would have to put our trust in Siler as a capable backup center...
jwilb49
Banned User
Posts: 716
And1: 0
Joined: Dec 29, 2010

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#124 » by jwilb49 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:47 am

i think lopez would just get in gortats way
User avatar
gino_giode
Head Coach
Posts: 6,976
And1: 1,505
Joined: Jan 03, 2010

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#125 » by gino_giode » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:56 am

sunsfan88 wrote:Anyone else think Gentry should try Gortat & Lopez together? We have only tried that once and that was when no one was familiar with each other.

Gortat has shown time & time again that he can knock down 18-20 ft jump shots on a regular basis.

We would have to put our trust in Siler as a capable backup center...

:lol:

But seriously, the Gortat-Lopez frontline should only be used for defensive purposes in case the other team is owning the paint. And of course, they can be used together for rebounding purposes.

Offensively, it might not work out since either of their defenders won't be pulled out on the perimeter like Frye was able to do, so they can sag off more which eliminates the effectiveness of the PnR.

I'd say having Warrick at the 4 is OK. He's just as reliable a jump shooter as either Lopez or Gortat (OK, but not good), but his real value is his ability to just lift off 5 ft away from the rim and either draw a foul or finish.
Image
DRK
RealGM
Posts: 12,178
And1: 3,609
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
Location: Kentucky Suns
Contact:
   

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#126 » by DRK » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:01 am

If we have Lopez and Gortat starting together, who is our bench center? Warrick? Siler? LOL

Let go with Warrick starting at the 4, and pepper the defence with continuous pick and rolls.
MrMiyagi wrote:Lob to DA for the win
User avatar
RunSunRun
Veteran
Posts: 2,789
And1: 723
Joined: Apr 25, 2010
Location: PHX
       

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#127 » by RunSunRun » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:38 am

Well, looking at the next 3 weeks which is hopefully the maximum amount of time Frye will be out, we have :

Houston
Denver
Orlando
@Houston
@New Orleans
Golden State
@ Los Angeles Clippers
@ Los Angeles Lakers
Toronto
New Orleans
Dallas
@ Sacramento

By no means an easy lineup, but definitely not the hardest part of our schedule. We have to beat these sub .500 teams regardless if we have Frye or not.
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,204
And1: 24,559
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#128 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:56 am

Let's hope Dwight picks up another 2 technicals before we play Orlando again lol.
Revived
RealGM
Posts: 37,393
And1: 22,198
Joined: Feb 17, 2011

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#129 » by Revived » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:04 am

^^^I know seriously, pissed me off today that Portland got to play Orlando without Howard.
Frank Lee
RealGM
Posts: 14,264
And1: 10,075
Joined: Nov 07, 2006

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#130 » by Frank Lee » Tue Mar 8, 2011 1:33 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:You keep regurgitating the same line of Sarver is an idiot, we screwed up. While true, all of us already know that.


Common practice with many of these peewees. The Spiltmilk Clan amazingly grows larger with the calender.

jwilb49 wrote:ya true I was just thinking about getting younger talent in here.. im not looking at the playoffs this year because if we do make the playoffs whats going to happen. there is no chance we are contenders... all that making the playoffs is going to do is make us lose our first round pick to houston instead of the ORL....

I dont think were in contention so in my opinion we should just try different things with the roster and hope for the best of developing some of the guys we plan to use next year


So the season is over before we even see what strategy the coaches use to counter this injury ? So you are ready to jump on the tank to gain 5 or 6 slots in the draft ? You judged and jury-ed the outcome before seeing any evidence. What if we actually win a few games?

Its plain to see, many are here to rant and rave, pizz and moan. Fine, but dont go crying when when fairweather-ness is questioned, nor the senseless continual non-supported roster shuffling ideas are challenged. (Craig Brackens? :lol: look before you leap ) Or the cheap easy out old news jab on Sarver's off season. No need to utilized 'banned comments' describing the intelligence around here. Words speak for them selves. The 'sitting wall' for this village is full.

This team has played hard to get to this point. A challenging start, some mid season new faces, and now playing the best basketball they have all yr. Now a fluke injury has sidelined an important piece, at a position of thin depth. But take an important 35 minute starter off of any team contending and just see if they dont flinch a bit. Frye plays a unique role for this team. He is likely more important than what has been realized. Being out just 2-3 weeks was actually much less than many anticipated.

So our back up (Warrick) isnt as skilled as you want. Hak has his moments. There is no questioning his desire. He may surprise us as he has before. Others too, given the opportunity. When these things happen, the WHOLE TEAM has to step up, coaching staff included. I dont have great hopes for the outcome, but I'm not slamming the door on them either. If we can go .500+ while Frye is down, I'd be happy. I dont know if that will be enough to get to the play offs. May be. But I do not think we are a patsy-first-round-fodder club if we get there either. If you overlook us, and we are healthy, you may pay. Getting there just got a whole lot tougher though.

One thing is for certain, Nash, Hill, Duds, THE GORTAT, and the rest of the boys sure as hell aren't giving up. Some of you fans can right them off, its your choice. But dont expect me, and a few others here to put up with your stale, anti-front office, rear-view mirroring, negative rhetoric while this long season comes to an end. Lets see what happens over the next 5 or 6 games before reserving the gallows.

It isnt over till it is.


(damn... I need to lay off the coffee)
What ? Me Worry ?
User avatar
rsavaj
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 24,863
And1: 2,767
Joined: May 09, 2007
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#131 » by rsavaj » Tue Mar 8, 2011 3:40 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:You keep regurgitating the same line of Sarver is an idiot, we screwed up. While true, all of us already know that.


Common practice with many of these peewees. The Spiltmilk Clan amazingly grows larger with the calender.

jwilb49 wrote:ya true I was just thinking about getting younger talent in here.. im not looking at the playoffs this year because if we do make the playoffs whats going to happen. there is no chance we are contenders... all that making the playoffs is going to do is make us lose our first round pick to houston instead of the ORL....

I dont think were in contention so in my opinion we should just try different things with the roster and hope for the best of developing some of the guys we plan to use next year


So the season is over before we even see what strategy the coaches use to counter this injury ? So you are ready to jump on the tank to gain 5 or 6 slots in the draft ? You judged and jury-ed the outcome before seeing any evidence. What if we actually win a few games?

Its plain to see, many are here to rant and rave, pizz and moan. Fine, but dont go crying when when fairweather-ness is questioned, nor the senseless continual non-supported roster shuffling ideas are challenged. (Craig Brackens? :lol: look before you leap ) Or the cheap easy out old news jab on Sarver's off season. No need to utilized 'banned comments' describing the intelligence around here. Words speak for them selves. The 'sitting wall' for this village is full.

This team has played hard to get to this point. A challenging start, some mid season new faces, and now playing the best basketball they have all yr. Now a fluke injury has sidelined an important piece, at a position of thin depth. But take an important 35 minute starter off of any team contending and just see if they dont flinch a bit. Frye plays a unique role for this team. He is likely more important than what has been realized. Being out just 2-3 weeks was actually much less than many anticipated.

So our back up (Warrick) isnt as skilled as you want. Hak has his moments. There is no questioning his desire. He may surprise us as he has before. Others too, given the opportunity. When these things happen, the WHOLE TEAM has to step up, coaching staff included. I dont have great hopes for the outcome, but I'm not slamming the door on them either. If we can go .500+ while Frye is down, I'd be happy. I dont know if that will be enough to get to the play offs. May be. But I do not think we are a patsy-first-round-fodder club if we get there either. If you overlook us, and we are healthy, you may pay. Getting there just got a whole lot tougher though.

One thing is for certain, Nash, Hill, Duds, THE GORTAT, and the rest of the boys sure as hell aren't giving up. Some of you fans can right them off, its your choice. But dont expect me, and a few others here to put up with your stale, anti-front office, rear-view mirroring, negative rhetoric while this long season comes to an end. Lets see what happens over the next 5 or 6 games before reserving the gallows.

It isnt over till it is.


(damn... I need to lay off the coffee)


Image

Enough with the "season's lost, omg! PANIC!!"

We can do this. We have a deep team. We can plug 3 guys into Frye's spot and still have a 10 man rotation. You either plug in Pietrus(to play the Matt Barnes small 4 role) or Chilldress(to play the poor man's Matrix role), or you use Hak.

I think Pietrus or Chilly is a better idea...Chilly in particular. The man can crash the glass and hustle. He doesn't shoot 3s, but he hits the very, very few that he shoots at a decent clip. He is the closest thing we've had to Shawn Marion in a long time. Start him at the 4 and keep the bench chemistry rolling.

We can do this.
User avatar
rsavaj
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 24,863
And1: 2,767
Joined: May 09, 2007
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#132 » by rsavaj » Tue Mar 8, 2011 3:40 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:You keep regurgitating the same line of Sarver is an idiot, we screwed up. While true, all of us already know that.


Common practice with many of these peewees. The Spiltmilk Clan amazingly grows larger with the calender.

jwilb49 wrote:ya true I was just thinking about getting younger talent in here.. im not looking at the playoffs this year because if we do make the playoffs whats going to happen. there is no chance we are contenders... all that making the playoffs is going to do is make us lose our first round pick to houston instead of the ORL....

I dont think were in contention so in my opinion we should just try different things with the roster and hope for the best of developing some of the guys we plan to use next year


So the season is over before we even see what strategy the coaches use to counter this injury ? So you are ready to jump on the tank to gain 5 or 6 slots in the draft ? You judged and jury-ed the outcome before seeing any evidence. What if we actually win a few games?

Its plain to see, many are here to rant and rave, pizz and moan. Fine, but dont go crying when when fairweather-ness is questioned, nor the senseless continual non-supported roster shuffling ideas are challenged. (Craig Brackens? :lol: look before you leap ) Or the cheap easy out old news jab on Sarver's off season. No need to utilized 'banned comments' describing the intelligence around here. Words speak for them selves. The 'sitting wall' for this village is full.

This team has played hard to get to this point. A challenging start, some mid season new faces, and now playing the best basketball they have all yr. Now a fluke injury has sidelined an important piece, at a position of thin depth. But take an important 35 minute starter off of any team contending and just see if they dont flinch a bit. Frye plays a unique role for this team. He is likely more important than what has been realized. Being out just 2-3 weeks was actually much less than many anticipated.

So our back up (Warrick) isnt as skilled as you want. Hak has his moments. There is no questioning his desire. He may surprise us as he has before. Others too, given the opportunity. When these things happen, the WHOLE TEAM has to step up, coaching staff included. I dont have great hopes for the outcome, but I'm not slamming the door on them either. If we can go .500+ while Frye is down, I'd be happy. I dont know if that will be enough to get to the play offs. May be. But I do not think we are a patsy-first-round-fodder club if we get there either. If you overlook us, and we are healthy, you may pay. Getting there just got a whole lot tougher though.

One thing is for certain, Nash, Hill, Duds, THE GORTAT, and the rest of the boys sure as hell aren't giving up. Some of you fans can right them off, its your choice. But dont expect me, and a few others here to put up with your stale, anti-front office, rear-view mirroring, negative rhetoric while this long season comes to an end. Lets see what happens over the next 5 or 6 games before reserving the gallows.

It isnt over till it is.


(damn... I need to lay off the coffee)


Image

Enough with the "season's lost, omg! PANIC!!"

We can do this. We have a deep team. We can plug 3 guys into Frye's spot and still have a 10 man rotation. You either plug in Pietrus(to play the Matt Barnes small 4 role) or Chilldress(to play the poor man's Matrix role), or you use Hak.

I think Pietrus or Chilly is a better idea...Chilly in particular. The man can crash the glass and hustle. He doesn't shoot 3s, but he hits the very, very few that he shoots at a decent clip. He is the closest thing we've had to Shawn Marion in a long time. Start him at the 4 and keep the bench chemistry rolling.

We can do this.
KLEON
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,905
And1: 2,144
Joined: Jul 15, 2009
   

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#133 » by KLEON » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:39 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:^^^I know seriously, pissed me off today that Portland got to play Orlando without Howard.


Not only that but OKC and Dallas losing to Memphis.This is some bull
realsunsfan
Rookie
Posts: 1,222
And1: 132
Joined: Feb 09, 2009
 

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#134 » by realsunsfan » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:42 pm

Well said Frank Lee, well said........
User avatar
gino_giode
Head Coach
Posts: 6,976
And1: 1,505
Joined: Jan 03, 2010

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#135 » by gino_giode » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:55 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Let's hope Dwight picks up another 2 technicals before we play Orlando again lol.


Knowing the Suns' luck, Howard will pick up his 18th T against the Suns and then the Magic get spanked inside by the Lakers to keep their streak going.
Image
User avatar
grumpysaddle
RealGM
Posts: 20,937
And1: 14,262
Joined: Feb 22, 2009
Location: San Diego
     

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#136 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:50 pm

KLEON wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:^^^I know seriously, pissed me off today that Portland got to play Orlando without Howard.


Not only that but OKC and Dallas losing to Memphis.This is some bull


Well... OKC only took 18 FTs against Memphis. Memphis had 26. Surprise?

There's little chance of winning when the other team has 33 more FT attempts, but the Suns came about as close as possible.
Image
User avatar
JohnVancouver
General Manager
Posts: 9,016
And1: 236
Joined: Jun 18, 2007
Location: Vancouver, BC

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#137 » by JohnVancouver » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:58 pm

rsavaj wrote:[
Enough with the "season's lost, omg! PANIC!!"

We can do this. We have a deep team. We can plug 3 guys into Frye's spot and still have a 10 man rotation. You either plug in Pietrus(to play the Matt Barnes small 4 role) or Chilldress(to play the poor man's Matrix role), or you use Hak.

I think Pietrus or Chilly is a better idea...Chilly in particular. The man can crash the glass and hustle. He doesn't shoot 3s, but he hits the very, very few that he shoots at a decent clip. He is the closest thing we've had to Shawn Marion in a long time. Start him at the 4 and keep the bench chemistry rolling.

We can do this.


Great post Frank - it is what it is and we shall see what we see - que sera, sera

rsavaj - I agree. Play Chilly at the starting 4, then we have Hak and MP if needed to sub in at that spot. We can play MP at three spots, which is a nice thing to have.

We need to run like hell and play hard team defense. It's all we got and fortunately we have a bunch of tough defenders at present - VC, MP, Chilly, Gortat, Lopez, Duds, Hill (check the bright side piece promoting Hill as first team all-defense this year)

I just worry about Nash being so run down and hurting - but Dowdell and Brooks have both looked good.
If we go down, we go down - juts let's go down swinging
"Deng and Mozgov was some 1980s Clippers sh*t. So, so dumb" - Sedale Threatt

"If you can't get banned for threatening to rape a mod, what can you get banned for?" Jigga_Man/2013

"Everybody love Everybody." - Jackie Moon
User avatar
SUN
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,840
And1: 866
Joined: Feb 21, 2010

Re: Frye is out with Dislocated Shoulder 

Post#138 » by SUN » Tue Mar 8, 2011 9:01 pm

Twin towers with Gortat and Fropez?
Image

Return to Phoenix Suns