How many years before the Jazz become a playoff team again?

[yonexpro1]

You wouldn't want to keep Watson on for the minimum, space? I think he's been a solid veteran in general. Agree with the rest (though I'd put Harris in the keeper category for now).

You know I like the way earl runs the team, although he does make bad choices. I just cant stand his lack of shooting and he is a terrible FT shooter.

For the min I would keep him though.

[gojazzmjsucks]

last time we rebuilt it took 3 years before we were making noise again. Could have been 2 but Ak and Booz got hurt the year before we got D-Will. If we can have a great draft and make some good moves this team could be knocking on the door in two years. My reason are that the Spurs will be in rebuilding mode by the and the Lakers will be starting to get older. The Mavs might not have the same team next year nevermind 2 years from now. The problem is that our division in going to be the best in the West for a while. So we need to start looking how we shae up in our own division to see how we can do in the West! We need a different coach too. I thought the jazz would go with Horny after Sloan left. I understand why they went with Ty i just dont like what im seeing so far but lets give the man an offseason to get a staff and his own team.

As for pieces moving foward i think we should keep Al, Favors, Hayward, and harris that about it. we need 2s and 3s bad!

[finnegan]

last time we rebuilt it took 3 years before we were making noise again.

Back then we had Sloan as a coach, and LHM as an owner.

Greg Miller has decimated the team and reduced it to ashes so quickly, that there seems to be no reason to believe that he is capable of building it back up, and returing the Jazz to their former stature.

[finnegan]

Just for the record the first round of voting was:

2011 - 12
2012 - 2
2-5 years - 8
5+ years - 1
New owner - 0

Just shows that the majority may not always be right, and that they can e biased by their love of the team.

[leorn]

- Playoffs this season is a fantasy. It just won't happen, players are mentally dead

Totally agree with this sentiment. I see absolutely no confidence or desire with a few exceptions.

I can't say when I think we will make the playoffs. I just don't know who this team is yet, and I'm probably a bit in denial that we are as bad as we have played lately. I think its very possible to make the playoffs next year, but I have to see some heart before I get my hopes up.

[retiredcoach]

The Jazz will make the playoffs next year.

Resigning AK is an issue.

Keepers: Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Evans, Hayward
- Keeper (for the right contract): Kirilenko
- Don't know yet what to do with: Harris
- Done: Okur
- The rest of them (thanks for their services and wish them luck): Bell, Miles, Watson, Price, Elson, Fesenko

Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Hayward and Harris are all top guys. AK is too if he resigns. I don't know what's up with the Harris thing. He's a top 10 point guard in a 30 team league. Of course the Jazz keep him. He's strong in the PG position. He just got here and already he's questionable?

Bell, Miles and Watson are fine bench guys with limited playing time.

[The59Sound]

Agree, RC. Just because he's not as talented as Deron doesn't mean we should be giving the heave-ho to a quality starting PG like Harris.

[erudite23]

I think most Jazz fans are unrealistic as to exactly what it takes to be competitive in the NBA. Over half the league has spent the entire decade we just finished without ever having a single team as good as the one that we've been watching for the last 4 years. Think about that. So many Jazz fans spent the last 3 years bitching about Boozer's defense, our outside shooting, Jerry's rotations, Jerry's lack of using TOs....on and on and on, and cited all those as reasons why we would never win a championship and why we needed to take risks here and risks there.


Well, all those people got their wishes. Jerry's gone and he's not coming back. Boozer was deported. Deron was traded in a very, very risky deal. Now there's a great shot we get to see what the other half has dealt with for the last 25 years. Jazz fans think its their birth right to win 50 games and go to the playoffs, and very few of them have any appreciation for simple good, high quality basketball (even knowing that you won't win it all). There are a myriad of fans in Washington, Milwaukee, LAC, Toronto, NYC, Charlotte...who would be on their knees in gratitude just for a team that can be talked about as if they are relevant, let alone actually making serious noise. Yet all the negative Nancies in Jazzland have done for the last 4 years is complain about not winning championships. Well,, that structure that has produced all those winnings seasons is now gone. There's a great chance that we get to walk in the bleak desert of sub .500 basketball for the foreseeable future. I hope all those vocal complainers are ready. You got what you wanted.

[The59Sound]

I think it would've been riskier to not do the Deron deal, but agree with a lot of that.

[ColdBlue]

We need to develop our rookies, integrate Harris' game, and find someone who can shoot the f'ing ball from outside before we should be thinking playoffs. Favors is our only hope of being competitive in the near future and I know he is the youngest player in the NBA but Ty needs to play him more alongside Al. I would start him. He shows good poise on the court for his age and doesn't have that prima donna side. I don't see the negatives other than it being a slight to Millsap.

[ColdBlue]

I think it would've been riskier to not do the Deron deal, but agree with a lot of that.

Wow. We agree on something.

[The59Sound]

I think it would've been riskier to not do the Deron deal, but agree with a lot of that.

Wow. We agree on something.

Somewhere, North Korea and South Korea are ironing out a peace treaty.

[outerspacefella]

I would start him (Favors)... I don't see the negatives other than it being a slight to Millsap.

Someone has to protect Millsap from himself. He will have a much longer career playibg from the bench with more minutes against the secondary big guys.

[finnegan]

I think most Jazz fans are unrealistic as to exactly what it takes to be competitive in the NBA. So many Jazz fans spent the last 3 years bitching about Boozer's defense, our outside shooting, Jerry's rotations, Jerry's lack of using TOs...

Well, all those people got their wishes. Jerry's gone and he's not coming back. Boozer was deported. Deron was traded in a very, very risky deal. Now there's a great shot we get to see what the other half has dealt with for the last 25 years.

Jazz fans think its their birth right to win 50 games and go to the playoffs, and very few of them have any appreciation for simple good, high quality basketball (even knowing that you won't win it all).

Yet all the negative Nancies in Jazzland have done for the last 4 years is complain about not winning championships. Well,, that structure that has produced all those winnings seasons is now gone.

There's a great chance that we get to walk in the bleak desert of sub .500 basketball for the foreseeable future. I hope all those vocal complainers are ready. You got what you wanted.

Extremely well said! I hope you don't mind me splitting out your points.

I have thought about it, and it seems that the compelling reason in all of the bad player personnel decisions was greed/cheapness. At least that was the case in both the Boozer and the Mathews situations, and well as not televising games on KJZZ (sorry for continually whining about that).

[leorn]

I think most Jazz fans are unrealistic as to exactly what it takes to be competitive in the NBA. Over half the league has spent the entire decade we just finished without ever having a single team as good as the one that we've been watching for the last 4 years. Think about that. So many Jazz fans spent the last 3 years bitching about Boozer's defense, our outside shooting, Jerry's rotations, Jerry's lack of using TOs....on and on and on, and cited all those as reasons why we would never win a championship and why we needed to take risks here and risks there.


Well, all those people got their wishes. Jerry's gone and he's not coming back. Boozer was deported. Deron was traded in a very, very risky deal. Now there's a great shot we get to see what the other half has dealt with for the last 25 years. Jazz fans think its their birth right to win 50 games and go to the playoffs, and very few of them have any appreciation for simple good, high quality basketball (even knowing that you won't win it all). There are a myriad of fans in Washington, Milwaukee, LAC, Toronto, NYC, Charlotte...who would be on their knees in gratitude just for a team that can be talked about as if they are relevant, let alone actually making serious noise. Yet all the negative Nancies in Jazzland have done for the last 4 years is complain about not winning championships. Well,, that structure that has produced all those winnings seasons is now gone. There's a great chance that we get to walk in the bleak desert of sub .500 basketball for the foreseeable future. I hope all those vocal complainers are ready. You got what you wanted.

Very well put.

[erudite23]

I think it would've been riskier to not do the Deron deal, but agree with a lot of that.

I don't know that "riskier" is the right word, but I think you're right. The complaint all along was that we never got out ahead of a given situation and struck preemptively, but waited until it was too late to make a move. An example of this was the NYK pick. Many thought we should flip that pick "while it had value" for something instead of waiting to see it play out. The reality is that waiting was the riskier option, as it had a higher risk/reward quotient. That pick could have been Derrick Favors--and suddenly the Jazz don't NEED to trade Deron--or it could have just been Gordon Hayward (ugh). Trading it would have been the safer bet, since you get a known commodity for an unkown. Yet people lamented NOT doing the deal as the Jazz being unwilling to "take risks". Huh?

So the Deron deal is similar. If you wait, you risk losing him for nothing and the risk/reward quotient is higher. Whereas the trade we just did returned something of considerable value. Still, Deron is worth more. So we took the bird in the hand instead of the two in the bush...which is your point, I think. YET, the aggressiveness which we showed in getting out ahead of the situation is the exact type of initiative that those people I'm referring to always complained was lacking. If you take my meaning.

[The59Sound]

I do get ya, E. That's what I was getting at and you described it very well.

[ColdBlue]

YET, the aggressiveness which we showed in getting out ahead of the situation is the exact type of initiative that those people I'm referring to always complained was lacking. If you take my meaning.

Well, as one of those who complained about the complacency of the Jazz, I think it was the right move.

[finnegan]

The complaint all along was that we never got out ahead of a given situation and struck preemptively, but waited until it was too late to make a move. An example of this was the NYK pick. Many thought we should flip that pick "while it had value" for something instead of waiting to see it play out. The reality is that waiting was the riskier option, ...

There is a balance that achieves the best outcome. I thought it was a terrible decision for the Jazz to wait on the Wesley Mathews situation to playout, so that they could wait and see if he got a higher offer from another team since he was a restricted free agent. I assume that they thought that he wasn't worth the price he was asking during the regular season, when he was eager to sign an extension. So they waited to let it play out (mistake 1) and then they failed to match (mistake 2) both based on conservative financial decisions.

Then comes the Deron situation and it feels like whip lash. Seemed way too aggressive from a player personnel perspective. However; his was certainly a much more complex situation, and I was glad to see him go, given his actions and the fact that I have never really liked his personality from the very beginning.

I look at Portland and the Gerald Wallace move, and I think why and the heck will the Jazz never do something like that. Is is lack of funds, lack of skill in evaluating talent, or pure laziness in failing to keep a pulse on the options that become available.

[The59Sound]

The complaint all along was that we never got out ahead of a given situation and struck preemptively, but waited until it was too late to make a move. An example of this was the NYK pick. Many thought we should flip that pick "while it had value" for something instead of waiting to see it play out. The reality is that waiting was the riskier option, ...

There is a balance that achieves the best outcome. I thought it was a terrible decision for the Jazz to wait on the Wesley Mathews situation to playout, so that they could wait and see if he got a higher offer from another team since he was a restricted free agent. I assume that they thought that he wasn't worth the price he was asking during the regular season, when he was eager to sign an extension. So they waited to let it play out (mistake 1) and then they failed to match (mistake 2) both based on conservative financial decisions.

Then comes the Deron situation and it feels like whip lash. Seemed way too aggressive from a player personnel perspective. However; his was certainly a much more complex situation, and I was glad to see him go, given his actions and the fact that I have never really liked his personality from the very beginning.

I look at Portland and the Gerald Wallace move, and I think why and the heck will the Jazz never do something like that. Is is lack of funds, lack of skill in evaluating talent, or pure laziness in failing to keep a pulse on the options that become available.

Or maybe in the real world, can't-miss dream deals aren't constantly on the table the way Jazz fans seem to think?