Last 10 seconds - Lebron vs Kobe

[JBLJ]

2 of the misses coming from the three point line, one of them being an almost half court heave with 2 seconds left. So realistically he is 2 for 3.

Nice try. A 29 footer isn't a "half court heave".That's a legitimate shot.

Another way to look at it is, in less than 24 seconds left, down 2 or less or tied. Kobe is 2 for 2.

So many qualifications . That's Kobe fans in a nutshell for you. Shall we remove all of LeBron's attempts with his team down 3 too?

Going through play-by-plays on NBA.COM a couple of days ago, Kobe's been nothing short of HORRIFIC this season in the last minute of 2-possession games. Little surprise he's barely shooting 40% in crunch time this season.

[Jeff23]

the only shot i can think of that made kobe in the last 10 seconds this year is when the Suns let him get the bucket because they had a 5 point lead or so and they didnt want to foul. So that wasnt clutch at all.

Another Butt-hurt Lebron fan denying reality because helps him sleep better at night.

Game tying shot against Blazers, this season.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MF0MYrZNuQ[/youtube]

Also btw, Kobe is 2 for 4 in shots taken with 24 seconds left, down 3 or less points.

2 of the misses coming from the three point line, one of them being an almost half court heave with 2 seconds left. So realistically he is 2 for 3.

Another way to look at it is, in less than 24 seconds left, down 2 or less or tied. Kobe is 2 for 2.

I think you are the butt-hurt dude in here.

[FullCapacity]

Thanks for everything

[Bubstubbler]

Great work, OP. Thanks for doing this.

Your work has caused me to change my view on the subject. Before I had seen a 'last shottish' breakdown, I had been in the camp that LeBron should be the guy (not just on the Heat, but in the league) who'd be most likely to score on a last shot, given his "clutch stats" over the last 4 years according to 82games.com's definition.

Now, however, I think LeBron's the best guy for all of clutch time up until last shot time, at which point somebody else needs to shoot instead.

Here's an interesting point: LeBron generally dominates the "clutch stats" at 82games.com despite his abysmal last shot stats, meaning that LeBron must be extra super dominant during the clutch time leading up to the last shot.

[J08]

2 of the misses coming from the three point line, one of them being an almost half court heave with 2 seconds left. So realistically he is 2 for 3.

Nice try. A 29 footer isn't a "half court heave".That's a legitimate shot.

Another way to look at it is, in less than 24 seconds left, down 2 or less or tied. Kobe is 2 for 2.

So many qualifications . That's Kobe fans in a nutshell for you. Shall we remove all of LeBron's attempts with his team down 3 too?

Going through play-by-plays on NBA.COM a couple of days ago, Kobe's been nothing short of HORRIFIC this season in the last minute of 2-possession games. Little surprise he's barely shooting 40% in crunch time this season.

coming from the guy that said lets take an entire season worth of clutch shots away from Kobe because it was fluke.

[Volcano]

This "clutch" thing is a little overrated. There are a lot of good players and plays you can rely on when the game's winding down. I don't really see it as clutch unless they raise their game even more. Since they're already good players, you expect them to make something happen a certain percentage of the time. Percentage definitely matters too. If someone has a ton of highlight plays, you have to look at how frequently he gets the ball in those situations. Consistency matters as well..if you have one good year, then big deal..your career isn't just one year.

I think being unclutch is more telling. For example, if someone's a career 40% shooter on open 3 pointers and is 10% (on a large enough sample size) on open 3 point shots during crunch time in close games..then he's pretty much a choke job.

Kobe's numbers are completely inflated by that once-in-a-lifetime season he had last year on last-seconds shots. I'm willing to bet anything he's a sub-25% shooter for his career in that situation otherwise.

Yea, seriously, Lebron and Wade too. Take away all of their makes and they'd both be 0% shooters in those situations.

except that's not what he's suggesting

[Flash3]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg[/youtube]

rudy gay is pretty clutch.

[Flash3]

the only shot i can think of that made kobe in the last 10 seconds this year is when the Suns let him get the bucket because they had a 5 point lead or so and they didnt want to foul. So that wasnt clutch at all.

Another Butt-hurt Lebron fan denying reality because helps him sleep better at night.

Game tying shot against Blazers, this season.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MF0MYrZNuQ[/youtube]

Also btw, Kobe is 2 for 4 in shots taken with 24 seconds left, down 3 or less points.

2 of the misses coming from the three point line, one of them being an almost half court heave with 2 seconds left. So realistically he is 2 for 3.

Another way to look at it is, in less than 24 seconds left, down 2 or less or tied. Kobe is 2 for 2.

I think you are the butt-hurt dude in here.

Both of you, please stop this non-sense. Consider this both a warning.

[Bled]

Great work, OP. Thanks for doing this.

Your work has caused me to change my view on the subject. Before I had seen a 'last shottish' breakdown, I had been in the camp that LeBron should be the guy (not just on the Heat, but in the league) who'd be most likely to score on a last shot, given his "clutch stats" over the last 4 years according to 82games.com's definition.

Now, however, I think LeBron's the best guy for all of clutch time up until last shot time, at which point somebody else needs to shoot instead.

Here's an interesting point: LeBron generally dominates the "clutch stats" at 82games.com despite his abysmal last shot stats, meaning that LeBron must be extra super dominant during the clutch time leading up to the last shot.

I like this point haha.

I remember during the Bulls game, in the 4th, Lebron was part of the last 4 shots. Making 2 shots and then assisting on the 2 for Mario Chalmers. All before Mike Miller fouled Luol and Lebron took a horrible left handed shot to try and win.

Last second shot is such a relative stat because 2 points before the 24 second less thresh hold is still 2 points.

If this is supposed to be a stab at Miami and Lebron, maybe the question everyone is avoiding is why is Miami putting themselves in this many late game situations. Theyve taken the most shots by far in that "selected clutch" time frame, and for a team with the "big 3", they should be blowing teams out.

[joelafan]

I don't care how much time is left on the clock. The only 3 people in the league I want shooting a clutch shot when my team needs it the most are:

Kobe
Wade
Durant


And in this order.

Ditto

[Jellybeans8]

There is a reason why they made this segment ya know
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgGFWojLrOI[/youtube]

[Jeff23]

I don't care how much time is left on the clock. The only 3 people in the league I want shooting a clutch shot when my team needs it the most are:

Kobe
Wade
Durant


And in this order.

Durant? Are you serious? He made that game-winning fadeaway three that was more lucky than anything else. Durant has been bricking open shots in the clutch for quite a while. Paul Pierce and Melo are WAY better in the clutch than durant.

[Bearsfan1989]

Lebron isn't clutch, it's kinda sad that Wade doesn't get the chance to take those shots but he knew what he was doing when he recruited LeDiva.

[Shaq Daddy]

Kobe's numbers are completely inflated by that once-in-a-lifetime season he had last year on last-seconds shots. I'm willing to bet anything he's a sub-25% shooter for his career in that situation otherwise.

Yea, seriously, Lebron and Wade too. Take away all of their makes and they'd both be 0% shooters in those situations.

[Bearsfan1989]

I don't care how much time is left on the clock. The only 3 people in the league I want shooting a clutch shot when my team needs it the most are:

Kobe
Wade
Durant


And in this order.

Durant? Are you serious? He made that game-winning fadeaway three that was more lucky than anything else. Durant has been bricking open shots in the clutch for quite a while. Paul Pierce and Melo are WAY better in the clutch than durant.

Durant might get to the line in the clutch. Dude gets to the line even if you breathe on him.

[Flash3]

Kobe's numbers are completely inflated by that once-in-a-lifetime season he had last year on last-seconds shots. I'm willing to bet anything he's a sub-25% shooter for his career in that situation otherwise.

Yea, seriously, Lebron and Wade too. Take away all of their makes and they'd both be 0% shooters in those situations.

#Winning!

[Shaq Daddy]

Durant cant create his own shot. Without someone to set a pick for him he's nothing.

All he does is brick shots in the clutch

[MightyVojo]

Durant cant create his own shot. Without someone to set a pick for him he's nothing.

All he does is brick shots in the clutch

^^^
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So you're saying, the top scorer in the league, and the MVP of the FIBA 2010 World Championship, cannot create his own shot? You mean a guy averaging 28 ppg per game, is unable to create his own shots, and does all the scoring from picks?

Have you even watched a Thunder game?

Thanks for making me laugh tho.

[Jeff23]

Durant cant create his own shot. Without someone to set a pick for him he's nothing.

All he does is brick shots in the clutch

^^^
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So you're saying, the top scorer in the league, and the MVP of the FIBA 2010 World Championship, cannot create his own shot? You mean a guy averaging 28 ppg per game, is unable to create his own shots, and does all the scoring from picks?

Have you even watched a Thunder game?


Thanks for making me laugh tho.

Ummm.. he's right.

[dznutzz]

I'm sure you guys have seen the stat of this year's Miami Heat: In the last 10 seconds of the 4th or overtime, with the Heat tied or down 1-3pts (one FG), the Heat are shooting 1-18 this season...

We've seen some numbers and blah blah come out showing how Kobe isn't that clutch, or whatever with clutch being defined in various ways (last 5 minutes, last 2 minutes, each team up or down 5... etc).

I like the 10 second clutch stat (FGM-FGA in the last 10 seconds of the 4th or OT, with the player's team tied or down 1-3) as a different look on things than we've had in the past because:
A. That means it's basically last second shot time
B. It's when your team is tied or down one shot.. which is much different and feels different than you getting a FGA with your team up 3. In this definition, if you miss, you lose or go into OT for sure basically.

I took it upon myself to go through ESPN play-by-plays of Lebron and Kobe (for obvious reasons) to see what the stats show under this definition of clutch. Since I started doing this at 4am, I only got a few seasons done, but I'll post anyways and hope to continue my research tomorrow.

So here you have it, Lebron and Kobe's "Last 10sec" Clutch stats for 08-09 (Lebron's first MVP) til present.

Lebron James
08-09: 1-4 (25%)
09-10: 1-8 (12.5%)
10-11: 1-8 (12.5%)
Total (through last 3 seasons): 3-20 (15%)

Kobe Bryant
08-09: 2-6 (33.3%)
09-10: 7-11 (63.6%)
10-11: 1-3 (33.3%)
Total (through last 3 seasons): 10-20 (50%)

Funny enough, they have the same exact amount of attempts. Not the same amount of makes though.

i agree with you totally... but lets not argue with the lebron slurpers. like they say.... ignorance is bliss.