Game 64 March 9, 2011: Mavs at Hornets

Jinra · Post #81 » by **Jinra** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:48 am

I'm pissed. I'm going to bed.

tschoerk · Post #82 » by **tschoerk** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:48 am

Ligatsa wrote:What I'm still fuming about is that, if we weren't gonna play Roddy, why try so hard to keep him? if we weren't gonna play him might as well ship him somewhere for something. god damn

nono you have to understand he is a big talent but mr. cardinal and stevenson are much much much better so they play.

aschneider970 · Post #83 » by **aschneider970** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:50 am

i think people are going to be surprised by the hornets in the playoffs. they have a great point guard position. jack is a starting pg on most teams, and if he can play like he did tonight in the PO, they have a chance to take on anyone

Ice32 · Post #84 » by **Ice32** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:50 am

Over our last 22 games, we have lost 2 by game winners, and Dirk just missed a shot to tie this game

We still have good momentum, but RC managed the minutes badly from the start tonite

Kidd had a shocker with 0-7, and Dirk needs to rebound/box out/put a hand up on defense.

There is no reason for Brian Cardinal to play 20+ mins when Brewer and Roddy are more than capable of playing defense and scoring points, and if Marion and Peja are out vs New York, Cardinal should NOT be starting.

Hornets got lucky on that Jarett Jack foul by Kidd - there was no hand contact made on that 3 point shot. Chandler got unlucky missing both FTs. Dirks rainbow looked good but was a tad short. Dirk was always going get the ball at the top, because Okafor had 5 PFs.

aschneider970 · Post #85 » by **aschneider970** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:54 am

Ice32 wrote:Over our last 22 games, we have lost 2 by game winners, and Dirk just missed a shot to tie this game

We still have good momentum, but RC managed the minutes badly from the start tonite

Kidd had a shocker with 0-7, and Dirk needs to rebound/box out/put a hand up on defense.

There is no reason for Brian Cardinal to play 20+ mins when Brewer and Roddy are more than capable of playing defense and scoring points, and if Marion and Peja are out vs New York, Cardinal should NOT be starting.

Hornets got lucky on that Jarett Jack foul by Kidd - there was no hand contact made on that 3 point shot. Chandler got unlucky missing both FTs. Dirks rainbow looked good but was a tad short. Dirk was always going get the ball at the top, because Okafor had 5 PFs.

i got to disagree with you, kidd did get him on the arm on the way up, there is no way the refs couldnt call that. it was a smart move by jack. and dirks shot didnt look good. a fade away from a foot in from the 3pt line will never be good. dirk makes his clutch shots at the corner of the free throw, i have watched a lot of mavs game and have never seen him hit anything from out there in the final seconds

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #86 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:54 am

fcuking idiots.

you know who I blame for all of this? mark cuban. i blame him for doing nothing to help us win. We finally have a complete team and he gets cheap now. Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace were available for nothing. and he does nothing because Peja had two good games before the trade deadline. I just KNEW those games were going to keep us from doing anything. Not to mention the Devin Harris fiasco. If we truely missed out on him because the Mavs didnt want to give up Dojo and a crappy first round pick in a crappy draft then i'll **** my pants. Devin is kicking ass in Utah and we could have paired him with Beaubois in the offseason for Deron or CP3. If we could have really gotten him before Utah stepped in then eff Cuban for that.

This team as is will go nowhere. Really the only hope is that Butler magically heals and plays up the level he was playing at at the time of his injury. And we know that has a 0% chance of happening. Cuban's sudden cheap turn killed our chance to win this year when all the cards are falling in our favor.

dyukcs · Post #87 » by **dyukcs** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:56 am

Dirk looked like his foot slipped, but that wasn't the problem. We got destroyed by our guard defense. Kidd couldn't guard Jack, and Terry couldn't guard Bellinelli. Jack didn't score once (correct me if I'm wrong) while Roddy was on him, and Kidd has enough length to contest a shot unlike Terry.

But that's still not really an excuse, Terry and Kidd should've switched defensive assignments. Dirk shouldn't have turned the ball over, Chandler shouldn't have choked those free throws. This was sickening.

Mavs2theFinals · Post #88 » by **Mavs2theFinals** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:57 am

Wow just wow...i dont even know where to start. RC first of all WTF? why not play brewer instead of garbage stevenson? Why not play Roddy instead of JET who was chucking tonight. Why not play barea some more mins in place of Kidd who was having a HORRIBLE game and just compounded it with the foul at the end. Even though dirk had a good game, there wasnt a single player that could pick up some slack, horrible and everyone should have seen this coming. Thank you mavs front office.

dyukcs · Post #89 » by **dyukcs** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:57 am

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:fcuking idiots.

you know who I blame for all of this? mark cuban. i blame him for doing nothing to help us win. We finally have a complete team and he gets cheap now. Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace were available for nothing. and he does nothing because Peja had two good games before the trade deadline. I just KNEW those games were going to keep us from doing anything. Not to mention the Devin Harris fiasco. If we truely missed out on him because the Mavs didnt want to give up Dojo and a crappy first round pick in a crappy draft then i'll **** my pants. Devin is kicking ass in Utah and we could have paired him with Beaubois in the offseason for Deron or CP3. If we could have really gotten him before Utah stepped in then eff Cuban for that.

This team as is will go nowhere. Really the only hope is that Butler magically heals and plays up the level he was playing at at the time of his injury. And we know that has a 0% chance of happening. Cuban's sudden cheap turn killed our chance to win this year when all the cards are falling in our favor.

We didn't lose this game because of SF play, not even close. Our back-court got torched, and we had trouble with Landry. But it was mostly the back-court.

JCMasta · Post #90 » by **JCMasta** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:00 am

Somebody has to pay for the hirings of Avery Johnson and Rick Carlisle. I mean really, you couldn't have picked 2 worse coaches. I wish i could meet Carlisle in person, punch him in the face, and tell him to stop putting these mind numbing lineups on the floor every night.

How embarrassing would it be to get knocked out again as a top 2-3 seed by some 7th or 6th seed? Meanwhile the Spurs and Lakers will be taking care of business, that '06 series really stung but man the Heat really did take our manhood that year. Can we not be the laughing stock of the league for once?

Nobody respects this team, it's sad.

tschoerk · Post #91 » by **tschoerk** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:01 am

aschneider970 wrote:
Ice32 wrote:Over our last 22 games, we have lost 2 by game winners, and Dirk just missed a shot to tie this game

We still have good momentum, but RC managed the minutes badly from the start tonite

Kidd had a shocker with 0-7, and Dirk needs to rebound/box out/put a hand up on defense.

There is no reason for Brian Cardinal to play 20+ mins when Brewer and Roddy are more than capable of playing defense and scoring points, and if Marion and Peja are out vs New York, Cardinal should NOT be starting.

Hornets got lucky on that Jarett Jack foul by Kidd - there was no hand contact made on that 3 point shot. Chandler got unlucky missing both FTs. Dirks rainbow looked good but was a tad short. Dirk was always going get the ball at the top, because Okafor had 5 PFs.

i got to disagree with you, kidd did get him on the arm on the way up, there is no way the refs couldnt call that. it was a smart move by jack. and dirks shot didnt look good. a fade away from a foot in from the 3pt line will never be good. dirk makes his clutch shots at the corner of the free throw, i have watched a lot of mavs game and have never seen him hit anything from out there in the final seconds

100% true. Kidd is too experienced to make that kind of mistake. No excuse for that. The bad pass from Dirk was also terrible.
Dirk couldn't do much. They defended him well and it took the mavs 6-7 seconds to get the ball to him. Only option to make that desperation shot with the defender right in his face. He hadn't had time to create the space he needs for the precise shoot. Maybe they should have given the ball to terry...would have been easier to get the ball to him.

Mavs2theFinals · Post #92 » by **Mavs2theFinals** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:02 am

Dirk 4 rebounds? Really? Wow

tschoerk · Post #93 » by **tschoerk** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:03 am

Chandler was back

Mavs2theFinals · Post #94 » by **Mavs2theFinals** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:06 am

tschoerk wrote:Chandler was back

So? thats no excuse to have 4 damn rebounds

mffl_14 · Post #95 » by **mffl_14** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:18 am

I'm not making this loss out to be an omen that we will lose in the first round but my biggest issue is the coach. That guy has totally mis managed this team since Roddy came back. He doesn't play Roddy enough and then when Peja isn't available tonight to take up mins he still finds a way to keep Brewer out all together. That's not including the fact that Marion got hurt and still stuck with Stevenson who has completely sucked for 2 months now. Then on top of that he calls a play for Dirk to get the ball where he does how bout sticking Roddy in to draw some attention maybe it frees Dirk up more or who knows maybe he even blazes past the defense for any easy basket.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #96 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:19 am

dyukcs wrote:We didn't lose this game because of SF play, not even close. Our back-court got torched, and we had trouble with Landry. But it was mostly the back-court.

my bitching is not just about this game but in general. we have not been playing good basketball and have been beating some crap teams lately. I just dont like that they did nothing to improve based on monetary reasons. If they really were counting on Peja then that was a mistake. If they are really counting on Beaubois to instantly become productive enough to be a main weapon, then thats another mistake. We had a $10 million chip in Butler that we stuffed in our ass. He will not be able to come back and give us anything beyond brief stretches. If we really could have gotten Harris for nothing more than what was said in the rumors, etc, and we held out trying to keep Dojo and a first rounder, then Cuban **** up. Thats why I put the blame on him.. I'm sick of this "We Love Our Boys In Blue" ****. Right now, even when beating bad teams we dont look good. And now the schedule will toughen up and we'll see where we really are.

This is looking like a another flame out. Can we beat a CP3 led New Orleans? Of course. But what if he goes **** in teh playoffs? We COULD lose. I dont want anything to do with Memphis. That team is Golden Stating us. We may play Portland and I really dont want any part of them either. It just seems to all be coming to a halt. Yes we keep winning but we struggle to beat some bad teams some nights. We never addressed ANY of our holes this year.

dyukcs · Post #97 » by **dyukcs** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:29 am

I felt differently about this game, I liked it until the 4th quarter. We started Marion, and were locking down on defense (some of it was their bad offense). But we were contesting every shot, closing out on everything until the end. If Marion didn't go out like he did we'd probably have won it.

But for the last 4 or 5 games it's been the same story. Any guard around that's still in his 20's (and I mean anyone you can think of) will blow by Kidd with ease. And any guard that's 6-5 or taller will take Terry out to the shed. Whatever the adjustment period was, it's over, Roddy is our best PG defender. And our back-court defense was trash in the 4th quarter without him.

What makes it most frustrating is I don't think Carlisle even thinks he's made a mistake. In the post-game interview he said he was disappointed and we played soft, which is bs. Kidd guarded Jack as well as he could, Terry guarded Belinelli as well as he could. Dirk got fouled out of bounds and lost possession because of it, but this was a tough gritty game.

mffl_14 · Post #98 » by **mffl_14** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:39 am

Carlisle thinks we played soft well his coaching was beyond idiotic !

JES12 · Post #99 » by **JES12** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:09 am

ahonui06 wrote:RC is an idiot...Running a play for DIRK at the 3 point line for the last shot SMH

Yeah, it's Carlisle's fault Dirk can't get open anywhere else. Always Rick. Every game! Not Dirk for being a p_ssy, but Rick's. It's Rick's fault Dirk did not go straight up and draw the foul and instead he made Dirk, from the sideline, shoot while leaning back 60 f'n degrees. :roll:

Kobe. Billups. Poerce. You know, all the smart ones who have a ring already would have won that game from the stipe. Toob bad Rick don't have any of them on this team.

Hell, the only thing I blame Rock for is being too predictable. Everyone knows the Ball was going to Dirk.Dirk should not have gotten the ball....especially since he wasn't man enough to get open.

ahonui06 · Post #100 » by **ahonui06** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:14 am

JES12 wrote:
ahonui06 wrote:RC is an idiot...Running a play for DIRK at the 3 point line for the last shot SMH

Yeah, it's Carlisle's fault Dirk can't get open anywhere else. Always Rick. Every game! Not Dirk for being a p_ssy, but Rick's. It's Rick's fault Dirk did not go straight up and draw the foul and instead he made Dirk, from the sideline, shoot while leaning back 60 f'n degrees.
Kobe. Billups. Poerce. You know, all the smart ones who have a ring already would have won that game from the stipe. Toob bad Rick don't have any of them on this team.

Hell, the only thing I blame Rock for is being too predictable. Everyone knows the Ball was going to Dirk.Dirk should not have gotten the ball....especially since he wasn't man enough to get open.

Haha. Didn't you watch that play develop. They set a double screen for DIRK on the far side of the court around the 20 foot mark. DIRK had to curl around the double screen and get the ball. If RC was smart he could've just ran the same play that was run against Memphis. Iso DIRK right at the FT line.

It's OK JES, I know you have something against DIRK, but that last play was terribly drawn up.