Thurl Bailey, Assistant Coach?

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:40 am

Seems like a pretty knowledgeable mind, very well spoken, has good insights into the game. To me it seems like he is the type of guy that could be a good coach. I would really miss him in the booth, but to me it just seems like a logical choice. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Eaton come to the bench either. Wouldn't it be cool to have a bench of former Jazz players?

Corbin, Horny, Bailey, Stockton (please), Malone (maybe not...), Eaton.

gojazzmjsucks · Post #2 » by **gojazzmjsucks** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:44 am

If Stockton eer came to the jazz it would be as head coach NO ONE know this system better then him!

Post #3 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:44 am

No! Delaney Rudd.

or DelaneyRudd.

TDIDDY · Post #4 » by **TDIDDY** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:00 am

Not sure how good of a big man coach Big T could be I think the Jazz need a bad guy (mean man) low post scorer AD or Karl Malone (even if Karl cant speak to the media) would be my two choices AD is still with Denver but not as the top asst. if im not mistaken.

John Stockton would be great but we need a big mans coach

Soul Patch · Post #5 » by **Soul Patch** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:01 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:No! Delaney Rudd.

or DelaneyRudd.

@ndrew · Post #6 » by **@ndrew** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:08 am

Yeah, let's bring more inexperienced guys...

Reckless · Post #7 » by **Reckless** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:09 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:No! Delaney Rudd.

or DelaneyRudd.

or Tony Rudd

retiredcoach · Post #8 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:32 am

Maybe Thurl could sing to the players!

Stockton don't want to coach. He doesn't want to travel or be away from his family that much, and he definitely doesn't need the money. Hornacek probably wouldn't have taken the coaching job if his investments had done better.

Malone wants a coaching job because he misses the media and the attention.

If the Jazz would pay him, Marc Iavaroni might take the first assistants job. He's the most experienced guy the Jazz probably have a shot at. Lessor experienced guys like Howard Eisley would be good candidates for what the Jazz are probably willing to pay.

Likely any assistant will be someone that has a long standing relationship of Corbin. The coach that could do the Jazz the most good in terms of player development is Patirck Ewing. The problem is Ewing isn't likely to move to SLC.

MeestR · Post #9 » by **MeestR** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:48 am

Big-T is more of an entertainer IMO.

i like lavaroni though. but would either he or layden be willing to take the 2nd assistant again? i also thought of ewing, but i don't see him joining if it's not for the 1st assistant. eaton i think would be great.

Post #10 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:50 am

I don't think it's the location, but the lateral nature of it. Ewing working with Favors though would be amazing. He might consider the challenge.

Post #11 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:58 am

I just asked someone who knows coaching well, and he said a good name to throw out is Paul Mokeski. I concur that this is a defensive center specialist that would be great in the Jazz coaching staff.

Fido · Post #12 » by **Fido** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:26 pm

Please Ty bring in a big man coach WITH COACHIING EXPERIENCE! I sincerely hope that these guys who are in the coaching profession have contacts with other coaches IN THE COACHING PROFESSION who they could bring in to help out. Ty is a first time Head Coach--and while Layden is experienced Hornacek has only periodically consulted before his full-time gig now. If we have a bunch of newbies on the bench and a roster full of new/young guys that is a formula for years of finishing outside the playoffs. If coaching was so easy that any former player could sit down and do it teams would have no problem finding guys who would sit on the bench and take a paycheck. Think how many great former players tried but were unable to make it as a coach...

Brighteyes49 · Post #13 » by **Brighteyes49** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:04 pm

What's with wanting all these ex players to be on the coaching staff??? I like the Hornacek signing but c'mon! I'm just waiting for the "lets bring in Jose Ortiz" reference. I agree we need a coach with a bit more experience "coaching" and not "playing" A coach who specializes in big men would be ideal IMO.

retiredcoach · Post #14 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:24 pm

by DelaneyRudd on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:58 pm
I just asked someone who knows coaching well, and he said a good name to throw out is Paul Mokeski. I concur that this is a defensive center specialist that would be great in the Jazz coaching staff.

Well, D-Rudd, if the Jazz had two assistant coach openings, I would agree Mokeski could help. He doesn't have much NBA assistant coaching experience--I think 2 years. Most of his coaching was in the D-league. But he does have experience and a pretty good amount of it. As a player he was a bench center that bounced around a lot. I think he played for 9 teams in 12 years. He never really started and he played limited minutes. He was not an offensive powerhouse in the post.

I think he would take a 2 or 3rd assistant job, which is way better than being in the D-league.

If Layden were off the bench completely--and please forget 1st assistant, then the Jazz could get two assistant coaches, which is really what Corbin needs.

With only one slot open, it has to be in the 1st assistant position. That guy can't be a position coach. He has to be an offensive or defensive scheme coach and a good bench coach.

When Corbin was on the bench in the 2nd spot, teams were calling him all the time for possible first assistant or head coaching jobs. Guess how many teams have tried to recruit S. Layden?

retiredcoach · Post #15 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:28 pm

by Brighteyes49 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:04 am
What's with wanting all these ex players to be on the coaching staff??? I like the Hornacek signing but c'mon! I'm just waiting for the "lets bring in Jose Ortiz" reference. I agree we need a coach with a bit more experience "coaching" and not "playing" A coach who specializes in big men would be ideal IMO.

I believe the NBA has approximately 120 coaches plus or minus a couple right now. Read the resumes, and you'll see why ex-players get talked about.

It's hard to make the transition from college to the NBA. It works out sometimes, but a lot of times it doesn't.

Who was thinking Oritz anyway? Bad memories there!

BarneyGumble · Post #16 » by **BarneyGumble** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:36 pm

retiredcoach wrote:Maybe Thurl could sing to the players!

Stockton don't want to coach. He doesn't want to travel or be away from his family that much, and he definitely doesn't need the money. Hornacek probably wouldn't have taken the coaching job if his investments had done better.

Malone wants a coaching job because he misses the media and the attention.

If the Jazz would pay him, Marc Iavaroni might take the first assistants job. He's the most experienced guy the Jazz probably have a shot at. Lessor experienced guys like Howard Eisley would be good candidates for what the Jazz are probably willing to pay.

Likely any assistant will be someone that has a long standing relationship of Corbin. The coach that could do the Jazz the most good in terms of player development is Patirck Ewing. The problem is Ewing isn't likely to move to SLC.

May I ask where you get your info from? Because it seems to be pulled straight from your rear-end alot of the time. I'm not trying to disrespect you, I'm asking a legitimate question. Are you a speculator, or are you privy to some sort of credible information?

The information I have is that John Stockton is very open to the idea of returning to the Jazz as a Head Coach, obviously on his terms (he's definitely earned that). I agree with you that he has gotten away from the game and the spotlight to spend time with his family, but he's been away now for 7 years and his younger kids will soon be college-aged. I will point to John Stockton's own words to back me up, when he was asked if he would ever return to the Jazz as a coach. His response: "Never burn a bridge." While not a "yes", that's a far cry from "Stockton don't want to coach."

Question: How do you know about the performance of Horny's investment portfolio? Are you his financial adviser? I wont pretend to have inside knowledge about Horny, but he aggressively pursued and interviewed for the Boston head coahing job under Ainge that eventually went to Doc Rivers. So how is this consistent with "Hornacek probably wouldn't have taken the coaching job if his investments had done better." It seems to me Horny is coaching because he wants to coach.

No disagreement on Malone. But if he were willing to be our strength and conditioning coach, I'd hire him at a premium....

I think Ivaroni would be on the bench tomorrow if we offered him a job.

Howard Eisley? What would make him a great coach? Does he have a track record? Has he been coaching somewhere? I dont know anything about his post-playing career..

Let me disagree with you about Patrick Ewing. I think his coaching "career" has been a charity case. I dont see what he offers that a guy like Malone doesnt....

retiredcoach · Post #17 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:41 pm

Because it seems to be pulled straight from your rear-end alot of the time. I'm not trying to disrespect you

Only time will tell if what I've said turns out to be right or wrong. Next time I have to get a colonoscapy, I'll ask the gastro doc to look for any left over basketball info.

I will point to John Stockton's own words to back me up, when he was asked if he would ever return to the Jazz as a coach. His response: "Never burn a bridge." While not a "yes", that's a far cry from "Stockton don't want to coach."

Okay, when he shows up as the head coach, or a top assistant, I'll agree with you. I think that's the only way anyone will know. Stockton plays it close to the vest.

How do you know about the performance of Horny's investment portfolio?

Most players who retired about the same time as Hornacek have had to contend with two major economic downturns in the last 10 years that have destroyed a lot of wealth. I imagine there are a lot of reasons he decided to coach. Maybe he didn't have anything else to do with his time, maybe he just loved basketball so much he couldn't stay away, and maybe investments and income weren't even a consideration.

I'm glad he took the job. He has a lot of upside potential in the coaching world, even though it's brutal.

No disagreement on Malone. But if he were willing to be our strength and conditioning coach, I'd hire him at a premium....

That would be a fine job for Malone, if he could keep his mouth shut so it's not a disruption to team, the Millers and to city. What's the probability of that? I wonder why Tech didn't make him the strength and conditioning coach rather than the assistant S&C coach?

I think Ivaroni would be on the bench tomorrow if we offered him a job. Howard Eisley? What would make him a great coach? .

Iavaroni has been a head coach. He likely wants to get another shot at it. He's Del Negro's first assistant. He's well paid. Coming to Utah as a 1st assistant wouldn't do much for him, so I doubt it's in the cards, but it would be good. Eisley works for Del Negro and Iavaroni in player development.

Let me disagree with you about Patrick Ewing. I think his coaching "career" has been a charity case. I dont see what he offers that a guy like Malone doesnt....

Well, the Rockets, the Magic and Jordan's Bobcats probably wouldn't agree with you. While I wouldn't pick him as a head coach, I would as an assistant coach.

BarneyGumble · Post #18 » by **BarneyGumble** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:44 pm

^Didnt know Ivaroni and Eisley were with Del Negro. Thanks for the update.

Brighteyes49 · Post #19 » by **Brighteyes49** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:51 pm

retiredcoach wrote:
by Brighteyes49 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:04 am
What's with wanting all these ex players to be on the coaching staff??? I like the Hornacek signing but c'mon! I'm just waiting for the "lets bring in Jose Ortiz" reference. I agree we need a coach with a bit more experience "coaching" and not "playing" A coach who specializes in big men would be ideal IMO.

I believe the NBA has approximately 120 coaches plus or minus a couple right now. Read the resumes, and you'll see why ex-players get talked about.

It's hard to make the transition from college to the NBA. It works out sometimes, but a lot of times it doesn't.

Who was thinking Oritz anyway? Bad memories there!

When I say ex players I meant ex Jazz players. I think we fall in love with these guys because they all played their butts off for us. Doesn't necessarily mean that they belong coaching on the bench. As far as the Jose Ortiz line, it was clearly a joke.

retiredcoach · Post #20 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:57 pm

by Brighteyes49 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:51 pm
When I say ex players I meant ex Jazz players. I think we fall in love with these guys because they all played their butts off for us. Doesn't necessarily mean that they belong coaching on the bench. As far as the Jose Ortiz line, it was clearly a joke.

Bright--I second that. Ex-Jazz players don't necessarily make good coaches just because the fans like them. Very few ex-NBA players make good coaches period. But that's the pool most teams use to find coaches.

Of course I took the Ortiz thing as a joke! But more like a cringe joke than a ha ha joke.