Top 10 Players in the NBA this season

J08 · Post #81 » by **J08** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:43 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
beantownski wrote:in no particular order

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Durant
Howard
D Williams
Rose
Dirk
Melo
Darko

Dwight has to be first on everyone's list. hes my MVP this year.

JordansBulls · Post #82 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:13 pm

J08 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:
beantownski wrote:in no particular order

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Durant
Howard
D Williams
Rose
Dirk
Melo
Darko

Dwight has to be first on everyone's list. hes my MVP this year.

I agree Dwight has to be first, but he isn't the MVP this year thus far.

SportsWorld · Post #83 » by **SportsWorld** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:53 pm

If anyone from the Celtics should be in the top 10, it's Kevin Garnett obviously. And I do think he's on the fringe if not on the list.

BarbaGrizz · Post #84 » by **BarbaGrizz** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:07 pm

Where´s the love for Z-Bo? 20/13/2 on a winning team

Prolific Scorer · Post #85 » by **Prolific Scorer** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:27 pm

SportsWorld wrote:If anyone from the Celtics should be in the top 10, it's Kevin Garnett obviously. And I do think he's on the fringe if not on the list.

+1

MSGBallerz · Post #86 » by **MSGBallerz** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:42 pm

LeBron
Kobe
Howard
Durant
Rose
Dirk
D-Will
Amare
Nash
Melo

HM Westbrook, Gasol, and Rondo

KING JAMES1978 · Post #87 » by **KING JAMES1978** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:54 am

^^^^
Wade is at least a top-5 player in the game.Hate him or love him.

NYK 455 · Post #88 » by **NYK 455** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:15 am

MSGBallerz wrote:LeBron
Kobe
Howard
Durant
Rose
Dirk
D-Will
Amare
Nash
Melo

HM Westbrook, Gasol, and Rondo

lol come on Dude. I wouldn't have said nothing if he wasn't in your top 5, at least you can make some sort of case, but out of your top 10 and no HM?

nonemus · Post #89 » by **nonemus** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:17 am

He's an overrated roleplayer. That's it....

Right, MSG?

MSGBallerz · Post #90 » by **MSGBallerz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:46 am

NYK 455 wrote:
MSGBallerz wrote:LeBron
Kobe
Howard
Durant
Rose
Dirk
D-Will
Amare
Nash
Melo

HM Westbrook, Gasol, and Rondo

lol come on Dude. I wouldn't have said nothing if he wasn't in your top 5, at least you can make some sort of case, but out of your top 10 and no HM?

Oh I completely forgot about him when I made my list. It happens, I was just going off the top of my head, not writing a college research paper. I don't feel like editing my list right now, too much work.

therealbig3 · Post #91 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:29 am

MSGBallerz wrote:
NYK 455 wrote:
MSGBallerz wrote:LeBron
Kobe
Howard
Durant
Rose
Dirk
D-Will
Amare
Nash
Melo

HM Westbrook, Gasol, and Rondo

lol come on Dude. I wouldn't have said nothing if he wasn't in your top 5, at least you can make some sort of case, but out of your top 10 and no HM?

Oh I completely forgot about him when I made my list. It happens, I was just going off the top of my head, not writing a college research paper. I don't feel like editing my list right now, too much work.

This is by far the worst excuse I've ever seen in my life. It takes all of 30 seconds to edit your list to include Wade.

And I really find it hard to believe that you totally forgot about Wade. Everyone rags on you for hating the guy, and you're constantly in every thread regarding Wade. I'm pretty sure that's the first NBA player you thought of when you saw "Top 10 Players in the NBA this season", and how you think everyone overrates him.

But whatever, hate away.

jagz · Post #92 » by **jagz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:19 am

Lol at the reference to ESPN's article about Rose being better than Wade. First, that wasn't ESPN. It was one writer, and not one of the more well-known ones.

Second, setting its conclusion aside, it was an atrocious piece of journalism. It purported to be a comparative player analysis, but all it touched on was three arbitrary aspects of the game. It didn't even touch rebounding, defense, or anything that could consitute a comphrehensive analysis.

Third, Rose isn't better than Wade. Sorry, he just ain't, and he ain't close. He's like Wade-lite. Very lite. Let Rose play with LBJ and see what happens to his numbers. I'll build a statue to Rose outside the United Center myself if he could maintain anything close to the statistical parity with James that Wade has.

slightconfuse · Post #93 » by **slightconfuse** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:22 am

1. Dirk
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Wade
5. Kobe
6. Gasol
7. Durant
8. Westbrook
9. Howard
10. Joe Johnson

I didn't go by who the best NBA player is (what it looks like most of you are doing) instead I went by the season so far in standings reflected by superstar. Boston and Spurs don't have one, instead they have bench + future HOFers, so they got skipped.

MSGBallerz · Post #94 » by **MSGBallerz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:55 am

jagz wrote:Lol at the reference to ESPN's article about Rose being better than Wade. First, that wasn't ESPN. It was one writer, and not one of the more well-known ones.

Second, setting its conclusion aside, it was an atrocious piece of journalism. It purported to be a comparative player analysis, but all it touched on was three arbitrary aspects of the game. It didn't even touch rebounding, defense, or anything that could consitute a comphrehensive analysis.

Third, Rose isn't better than Wade. Sorry, he just ain't, and he ain't close. He's like Wade-lite. Very lite. Let Rose play with LBJ and see what happens to his numbers. I'll build a statue to Rose outside the United Center myself if he could maintain anything close to the statistical parity with James that Wade has.

Only numbers that matter is that Rose has more wins than Wade despite having FAR less talent on his team. Imagine if Rose had LBJ, Bosh, etc? DAMN This season would have to be called off.

aggo · Post #95 » by **aggo** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:16 am

1. rose
2. dirk
3. dwight
4. amare
5. lebron
6. westbrook
7. lma
8. melo
9. durant
10. cp3

HM wade, love, dwill

wicked_j · Post #96 » by **wicked_j** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:43 am

god some of these are awful.

Asianiac_24 · Post #97 » by **Asianiac_24** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:49 am

LeBron
Kobe
Dwight
Wade
Rose
Dirk
Durant
Deron
Aldridge
Paul

HM:
Amare, Westbrook, Gasol, Nash, Melo

LameR · Post #98 » by **LameR** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:30 am

stacey_is_king wrote:
nonemus wrote:
How are Williams/Paul/Nash/Amare/Melo not all easily below Rose?

Williams: 20/4/10, 3.2 TOV, 58% TS
Nash: 17/4/12, 3.4 TOV, 62% TS
Paul: 16/4/10, 2.3 TOV, 59% TS
Amare: 26/8/3, 3.4 TOV, 58% TS
Melo: 26/8/3, 2.9 TOV, 55% TS

Rose: 23/4/8, 3.4 TOV, 54% TS

3) He scores or assists on more baskets than any other player in the league

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That doesn't really make sense. You shouldn't just add PPG and APG. You should take into account how many points they create. At minimum, each assist results in two points.

Williams: 20+10(2) = 40
Nash: 17+12(2) = 41
Paul: 16+10(2) = 36
Rose: 23+8(2) = 39

LeBron: 26+7(2) = 40
Westbrook: 22 + 9(2) = 40

That's at minimum. I think it's just unfair and illogical to just simply add points and assists. He's still way up there, and having a great season but trying to use PPG + APG as a reason to back him is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to look at that kind of a metric, Value Added, or Estimated Wins Added may be better forms of measurement. Rose is 11th on VA (measures total points contributed as opposed to a replacement player), and 11th in EWA.

For the record, I'd have Rose in the middle of my top 10.

jagz · Post #99 » by **jagz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:31 pm

MSGBallerz wrote:
jagz wrote:Lol at the reference to ESPN's article about Rose being better than Wade. First, that wasn't ESPN. It was one writer, and not one of the more well-known ones.

Second, setting its conclusion aside, it was an atrocious piece of journalism. It purported to be a comparative player analysis, but all it touched on was three arbitrary aspects of the game. It didn't even touch rebounding, defense, or anything that could consitute a comphrehensive analysis.

Third, Rose isn't better than Wade. Sorry, he just ain't, and he ain't close. He's like Wade-lite. Very lite. Let Rose play with LBJ and see what happens to his numbers. I'll build a statue to Rose outside the United Center myself if he could maintain anything close to the statistical parity with James that Wade has.

Only numbers that matter is that Rose has more wins than Wade despite having FAR less talent on his team. Imagine if Rose had LBJ, Bosh, etc? DAMN This season would have to be called off.

Oh so now it's Wade's team when it's convenient for your argument. Every other time it's LeBron's team and Wade is part of his supporting cast. So Rose is better than LBJ now too? Man, Wade and James must really suck then because over his last ten games. Rose is shooting 39%, and this is the stretch when he supposedly has wrapped up his MVP. In actuality, what that statistic does is lend insight on the real reason the Bulls have the record they do, and it ain't Rose (hint: it rhymes with Som Shibodeau's blefense)....

....But as for you, you've been told repeatedly that your opinion carries no weight in Wade topics. Your extreme bias renders your credibility null. He must have hurt your team bad in the past for your hatred to be so irrational, huh? It's ok, don't take it personal, he's crushed the spirirts of every team in the league at one time or another during his career. That's the what the all-time great ones do.

Jvaughn · Post #100 » by **Jvaughn** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:16 pm

LameR wrote:
stacey_is_king wrote:
Williams: 20/4/10, 3.2 TOV, 58% TS
Nash: 17/4/12, 3.4 TOV, 62% TS
Paul: 16/4/10, 2.3 TOV, 59% TS
Amare: 26/8/3, 3.4 TOV, 58% TS
Melo: 26/8/3, 2.9 TOV, 55% TS

Rose: 23/4/8, 3.4 TOV, 54% TS

3) He scores or assists on more baskets than any other player in the league

That doesn't really make sense. You shouldn't just add PPG and APG. You should take into account how many points they create. At minimum, each assist results in two points.

Williams: 20+10(2) = 40
Nash: 17+12(2) = 41
Paul: 16+10(2) = 36
Rose: 23+8(2) = 39

LeBron: 26+7(2) = 40
Westbrook: 22 + 9(2) = 40

That's at minimum. I think it's just unfair and illogical to just simply add points and assists. He's still way up there, and having a great season but trying to use PPG + APG as a reason to back him is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to look at that kind of a metric, Value Added, or Estimated Wins Added may be better forms of measurement. Rose is 11th on VA (measures total points contributed as opposed to a replacement player), and 11th in EWA.

For the record, I'd have Rose in the middle of my top 10.

Field Goal Involvement (actual stat) which records Field Goals Made + Field Goals Assisted has Rose as number 1 in the league. I think that was what stacey_is_king was referring to.