Jimmer Fredette & Kemba Walker (draft position)

baulderdash77 · Post #161 » by **baulderdash77** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:09 pm

I would love to see a Kemba vs Jimmer game in the tourney.

I really think that Kemba's a much better NBA prospect, but Jimmer is entertaining too.

Post #162 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:28 pm

The committee probably wouldn't set up Walker Jimmer since those are arguably 2 of the five most recognizable names in the tourny. I do hope each get set up against really good defensive teams with good defensive guards. BYU in particular looks like its going to need some superhuman performances to make it far.

I still don't love him as a prospect but man is Fredette exciting when he gets it going.

#1 pick · Post #163 » by **#1 pick** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:26 pm

Kemba like Damon Stoudemire while Jimmer like Deron Williams lite. Not as athletic or explosive but a better scorer.

Catchall · Post #164 » by **Catchall** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:52 am

Fredette's offensive potential: Chauncey Billups & Mike Bibby (when Bibby was with Sacramento)
Defensive potential: Bibby
Athleticism: Deron Williams

Have a good night.

#1 pick · Post #165 » by **#1 pick** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:10 am

Catchall wrote:Fredette's offensive potential: Chauncey Billups & Mike Bibby (when Bibby was with Sacramento)
Defensive potential: Bibby
Athleticism: Deron Williams

Have a good night.

I like this. Deron is more athletic and his offensive game favors Deron's a lot. I like his ability to create his shot. He really has a high NBA level crossover. People like to name white players to compare him to but the only white player I remember with a crossover was Jason "White-Chocolate" Williams. I think we will see Fredette getting drafted by Utah with NJ top pick. Fredette ability to create his shot is underrated.

Walker is so much like Mighty Mouse especially when Mighty Mouse played for Toronto. Mighty Mouse could have been a very good PG if he didn't smoke so much weed.

Dat2U · Post #166 » by **Dat2U** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:23 am

Kemba Walker is just like Jonny Flynn. Except Walker is a far better shooter, displays better court vision IMO and has a big time clutch gene.

Yep, Kemba is just like Flynn, lol.

Personally, I think in this draft, Kemba is worth a top 6 pick.

Post #167 » by **dbodner** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:40 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:This is Jonny Flynn all over again. Big spotlight near the end of the year for an undersized, score first PG. Some GM is gonna get hoodwinked.

Kemba Walker was a legitimate lottery (or thereabouts) prospect all season. Flynn was a late first round pick until his 6 OT game. This situation isn't even remotely the same (nor are they remotely similar prospects. Similar roles, in scoring points, but completely different in how they go about that. Walker's athleticism and jump project much better than Flynn's did).

Dr Positivity · Post #168 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:17 pm

Yeah, Flynn made a late leap to the lotto... as a sophmore. Where he put up 17 and 6 on 46% shooting - Kemba's soph stats were 14, 6 on 40% and nobody cared about him as a prospect. Flynn was a lotto pick earlier in his collegiate career than Kemba, not later. I am certain if Flynn came back as a junior and tore it up, he'd have been a lotto pick all year like Kemba

Post #169 » by **dbodner** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:37 pm

Flynn was a lotto pick earlier in his collegiate career than Kemba

That's not exactly true.

Here are some DraftExpress mock draft projections from the two.
Kemba Walker was projected in the lottery of the 2011 mock draft as early as January of his Sophomore year, in the 1-25-2010 mock draft where he was slotted 12th. He's never been outside of the lottery since:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kem ... t-history/

Jonny Flynn didn't hit the lottery until April of his Sophomore year, the 4-16-2009 mock draft. He was in the late 20's as of March his Sophomore year.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon ... t-history/

Walker was a higher rated prospect earlier in his career. He may be getting the media attention now, but he was in the eyes of scouts earlier than Flynn.

Comparing stats directly isn't exactly the best way to compare draft prospects. There's a lot of noise, from the competition they play against to the roles they play on their teams. If you're asking me whether I think Flynn had the ability to come back his junior year, increase his scoring by 7 points/game, while increasing his efficiency, and droping his turnover rate, I don't believe he has that kind of physical ability in him.

teamjosh04 · Post #170 » by **teamjosh04** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:21 am

Flynn turned the ball over twice as much as Walker. He's not as good of a shooter, athlete, defender, ball handler, or much of anything. I made the Flynn comparison in the preseason for Walker, but Kemba has proven to be the better player. Whether he was one more yr experienced or not. I saw it all along in Kemba, the reason he broke out now as because Dyson hogged the ball too much last year.

I dont Kemba is going to be a top 10 PG, but he will be better than Flynn.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #171 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:57 am

Are you guys watching what Kemba Walker is doing right now to Bucknell? Simply outstanding.

ThreeYearPlan · Post #172 » by **ThreeYearPlan** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:29 am

Fredette has been throwing up bricks for about a solid month now

carrottop12 · Post #173 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:49 pm

Jimmers shooting started to go south when he got IMO the meat and potatoes if the mwc schedule. He takes a ton of shots. When he's on it's absurd, when he's nit he'll give you about a pou t per shot attempt which isn't great. This is where my biggest questions about him being in the NBA arise. Can he score 10-15 ppg on 7-10 shots per game? He certainly won't get 20 shots a game like he does right now, so can he come in and contribute as a high efficiency shooter?

Point-God · Post #174 » by **Point-God** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:38 pm

Does anyone view Jimmer as a starting NBA player?

carrottop12 · Post #175 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:02 pm

On the Cavs.

umopapisdn · Post #176 » by **umopapisdn** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:43 pm

Best Jimmer comparison I've heard- World B Free. Not the leaper, but very similar playing styles. Looks for his shot as soon as he gets past the hash marks and hates giving up the rock.

Charsace · Post #177 » by **Charsace** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:38 pm

People are comparing Deron to Jimmer athletically? Deron is the Lebron of pgs. He's big, fast and explosive.

Charlie Sollers · Post #178 » by **Charlie Sollers** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:36 am

Charsace wrote:People are comparing Deron to Jimmer athletically? Deron is the Lebron of pgs. He's big, fast and explosive.

Derrick Rose is closer to the LeBron of PGs than Deron is athletically.

carrottop12 · Post #179 » by **carrottop12** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:14 am

Is it getting more obvious that Jimmer isn't an NBA level ball handler?

Post #180 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:22 am

Bat wrote:Jimmers shooting started to go south when he got IMO the meat and potatoes if the mwc schedule. He takes a ton of shots. When he's on it's absurd, when he's nit he'll give you about a pou t per shot attempt which isn't great. This is where my biggest questions about him being in the NBA arise. Can he score 10-15 ppg on 7-10 shots per game? He certainly won't get 20 shots a game like he does right now, so can he come in and contribute as a high efficiency shooter?

I think that is the million dollar question. I'm of the opinion that most NBA players could put up better individual stats if they are allowed to dominate the ball, but usually to the detriment of the team. Jimmer isn't going to be given liscense to hold the ball as much asa he does, The secondary issue is that if he isn't a high scoring guard I'm not sure you can justify playing him.