Hypothetically speaking

geeman · Post #1 » by **geeman** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:10 am

As a diehard hawk fan is it wrong to hope for a first round exit (and Joe plays bad) to force an off season trade? Maybe Dallas will get kick out early too.
Maybe JJ to Dallas for Tyson Chandler and Terry, Jason
Or
JJ to Portland for oden @ B Roy

HoopsGuru25 · Post #2 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:22 am

There is nothing worse than making the playoffs and just getting destroyed once you get there. I'll always root for them to win in that situation.

As for the Joe trade-Joe would have been extremely appealing to NYK/CHI/Dallas if you signed him to the same deal that Carlos Boozer got. Chicago spent their money,NYK has Melo,and Chandler is having a career year. The Hawks aren't getting rid of Joe unless they are going to take on a contract like Gilbert Arenas or Brendan Haywood.

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:29 am

Don't do it. In a year that is likely to end with a labor dispute you can't be sure that an early playoff exit will result in any changes. The best bet is to hope for as many playoff wins as we can muster in spite of what we probably happen.

parson · Post #4 » by **parson** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:20 am

Joe for a good defensive Center (like the ones you just listed, geeman) would be a good deal for us.

Brandon Roy, on the other hand, would be terrible. The guy is crippled by his knees. And Terry is not that important to me. I'd rather send Joe for a Center and bench help or draft picks. And, if we could save enough money to re-sign Jamal, that'd be nice.

That said, DAL would never trade the Center who made them good defensively. POR might trade Oden, however, if they thought Aldridge needs to play the 5, rather than the 4. Of course, if that's the case, why not just sign Oden, knowing that POR won't match? I mean, how could they, if they expected to play Aldridge at Center?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #5 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:02 pm

geeman wrote:As a diehard hawk fan is it wrong to hope for a first round exit (and Joe plays bad) to force an off season trade? Maybe Dallas will get kick out early too.
Maybe JJ to Dallas for Tyson Chandler and Terry, Jason
Or
JJ to Portland for oden @ B Roy

I would do it,especially if we can get Batum in the deal for Zaza

HoopsGuru25 wrote:
As for the Joe trade-Joe would have been extremely appealing to NYK/CHI/Dallas if you signed him to the same deal that Carlos Boozer got.

Joe would be keep-able for the Hawks on a Boozer deal and we would have more flexibility. If Joe is traded then it should be for Bogut and we take back Ilyasova along with Salmons or Maggette, with Marvin i the deal maybe.

parson wrote:Joe for a good defensive Center (like the ones you just listed, geeman) would be a good deal for us.

Brandon Roy, on the other hand, would be terrible. The guy is crippled by his knees. And Terry is not that important to me. I'd rather send Joe for a Center and bench help or draft picks. And, if we could save enough money to re-sign Jamal, that'd be nice.

That said, DAL would never trade the Center who made them good defensively. POR might trade Oden, however, if they thought Aldridge needs to play the 5, rather than the 4. Of course, if that's the case, why not just sign Oden, knowing that POR won't match? I mean, how could they, if they expected to play Aldridge at Center?

Yeah I believe Oden can be had just by thinking POR won't match offers. I definitely had that move on my radar.

Post #6 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:17 pm

It's really difficult to shake off first round exits. It stays with the team, forums members will post about it, and we'll only be viewed as a team that won't have success during the playoffs. I think fans see us as that already, but nothing good will come for wishing for it, so I hope we go as far as possible.

I see no reason for Tyson Chandler to come to Atlanta. He would need to agree to a S&T and I want nothing to do with Jason Terry. Jason would only hurt the development of Jeff T and possibly cause him to pickup bad habits.

I doubt Mark Cuban would be willing to take on Joe Johnson's contract. Cuban is viewed as a free spender, but he has cut back, and appears to be more focused on his profits (which he denies).

Bucked19 · Post #7 » by **Bucked19** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:10 am

Joe elbow hasn't been a 100% this season ya'll do realize that right

azuresou1 · Post #8 » by **azuresou1** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:37 pm

HMFFL wrote:It's really difficult to shake off first round exits. It stays with the team, forums members will post about it, and we'll only be viewed as a team that won't have success during the playoffs. I think fans see us as that already, but nothing good will come for wishing for it, so I hope we go as far as possible.

I see no reason for Tyson Chandler to come to Atlanta. He would need to agree to a S&T and I want nothing to do with Jason Terry. Jason would only hurt the development of Jeff T and possibly cause him to pickup bad habits.

I doubt Mark Cuban would be willing to take on Joe Johnson's contract. Cuban is viewed as a free spender, but he has cut back, and appears to be more focused on his profits (which he denies).

What if we buyout Terry and he goes back to the Mavs for a minimum?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #9 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:29 pm

Bucked19 wrote:Joe elbow hasn't been a 100% this season ya'll do realize that right

and before February, he still looked unstoppable with the elbow. especially in January.But I think after so many minutes and attempts in December and January, it has really worn his elbow out.

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:27 pm

azuresou1 wrote:
What if we buyout Terry and he goes back to the Mavs for a minimum?

The ASG won't be willing to do that at the price it'd cost. I also doubt Terry would be willing to sign for the minimum even if it means he returns to Dallas.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Bucked19 wrote:Joe elbow hasn't been a 100% this season ya'll do realize that right

and before February, he still looked unstoppable with the elbow. especially in January.But I think after so many minutes and attempts in December and January, it has really worn his elbow out.

With the season coming to an end, if Joe is dealing with elbow issues, I think it's in our best interest to allow him more time to rest. Playing him 40mpg needs to stop.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #11 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:54 pm

HMFFL wrote:
azuresou1 wrote:
What if we buyout Terry and he goes back to the Mavs for a minimum?

The ASG won't be willing to do that at the price it'd cost. I also doubt Terry would be willing to sign for the minimum even if it means he returns to Dallas.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Bucked19 wrote:Joe elbow hasn't been a 100% this season ya'll do realize that right

and before February, he still looked unstoppable with the elbow. especially in January.But I think after so many minutes and attempts in December and January, it has really worn his elbow out.

With the season coming to an end, if Joe is dealing with elbow issues, I think it's in our best interest to allow him more time to rest. Playing him 40mpg needs to stop.

You would think Larry Drew would notice that and would start Teague and Hinrich or play them more together or do something to give Joe about 25-30 minutes.