2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

Kreamy · Post #1041 » by **Kreamy** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:04 am

Dream offseason:

* Get the number 1 pick and draft Kyrie Irving.

* Offer DeAndre Jordan a 5 year deal worth $38-40M.

* Trade Amir Johnson for one of Nicolas Batum or Dorell Wright and filler.

* Re-sign both Reggie Evans and Sonny Weems to short, in-expensive deals.

G. Irving - Calderon - Bayless
G. DeRozan - Barbosa
F. Batum/Wright - J. Johnson - Weems
F. Bargnani - Davis - Kleiza
C. Jordan - Evans - Dorsey - Alabi

10DeRozan10 · Post #1042 » by **10DeRozan10** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:44 pm

Kreamy wrote:Dream offseason:

* Get the number 1 pick and draft Kyrie Irving.

* Offer DeAndre Jordan a 5 year deal worth $38-40M.

* Trade Amir Johnson for one of Nicolas Batum or Dorell Wright and filler.

* Re-sign both Reggie Evans and Sonny Weems to short, in-expensive deals.

G. Irving - Calderon - Bayless
G. DeRozan - Barbosa
F. Batum/Wright - J. Johnson - Weems
F. Bargnani - Davis - Kleiza
C. Jordan - Evans - Dorsey - Alabi

That would be a great off-season, no matter how unlikely it may be.

I love the idea of trying to trade for Batum. He's a good perimeter defender, who reboundes fairly well for his position, although this was considered one of his major weaknesses during his draft year. He's also pretty athletic, which would be a necessity with a back court of Irving and DeRozan.

I think Jordan or Oden should definetly be on the wish list this off-season. They're exactly what we need, although I think I'd rather have Jordan, as I'm quite sure (although due to the fact that I am unaware of the complete extent of Oden's reoccuring injuries, I can't be positive) Oden's ability to run the floor would be rather poor at this point, and I'm also quite sure his ability to jump up and block shots and/or grab rebounds has decreased due too his injuries.

My favourite of all the pieces in the quoted post, is Kyrie Irving. I really think we have too do whatever possible to get, and maintain that first overall pick. A backcourt of DeRozan and Irving, has the potential to be absolutely superb.

Snidely FC · Post #1043 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:47 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Is this fair? This is done through their next year salaries so it won't work through the TC but I worked it out

To Toronto: Anthony Tolliver + Jonny Flynn + Armon Johnson

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon + Rudy Fernandez + Elliot Williams + TOR 2012 2nd

To Portland: Luke Ridnour + Wayne Ellington

With Roy back next year I dont know how much sense Rudy makes. Ridnour is the perfect compliment to that team. He would play a Blake like role. Ellington could fill the void too

Toronto gets a younger PG while saving instant cash

Minnesota gets 2 Spanish guards to convince Ricky. Calderon is the vet player they were looking at (wanted Raja Bell for Flynn) so he can Provide that leadership. Rudy gets PT and becomes a key member to that team and IMO would be happy there

Flynn / Bayless / Johnson
Derozan / Weems
T.Jones / Klezia / Johnson
Amir / Davis / Tolliver
Bargnani / Center (Barbosa deal) / Alabi

Calderon / Rubio
Johnson / Fernandez / Williams
Beasley / Webster / Hayward
Love / Randolph
Kanter or Val / Perk

Miller / Ridnour
Roy / Matthews / Ellington
Wallace / Batum / Babbitt
Aldridge / PF(signed)
Oden / Camby

This trade makes MIN better but Flynn & Tolliver for TOR?

I know I will get excoriated for this but for the sake of discussion, how about this:

To TOR: Rubio, Fernandez
To MIN: DeRozen, Bayless
To POR: Ridnour, Ellington

To MEM: Amir Johnson + 2011 TOR 1st pick
To TOR: Marc Gasol + 2011 MEM 1st pick

TOR:

Rubio/Calderon
Fernandez/Barbosa
Johnson/Kleiza
Bargnani/Davis
Gasol

10DeRozan10 · Post #1044 » by **10DeRozan10** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:10 pm

Snidely FC wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:Is this fair? This is done through their next year salaries so it won't work through the TC but I worked it out

To Toronto: Anthony Tolliver + Jonny Flynn + Armon Johnson

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon + Rudy Fernandez + Elliot Williams + TOR 2012 2nd

To Portland: Luke Ridnour + Wayne Ellington

With Roy back next year I dont know how much sense Rudy makes. Ridnour is the perfect compliment to that team. He would play a Blake like role. Ellington could fill the void too

Toronto gets a younger PG while saving instant cash

Minnesota gets 2 Spanish guards to convince Ricky. Calderon is the vet player they were looking at (wanted Raja Bell for Flynn) so he can Provide that leadership. Rudy gets PT and becomes a key member to that team and IMO would be happy there

Flynn / Bayless / Johnson
Derozan / Weems
T.Jones / Klezia / Johnson
Amir / Davis / Tolliver
Bargnani / Center (Barbosa deal) / Alabi

Calderon / Rubio
Johnson / Fernandez / Williams
Beasley / Webster / Hayward
Love / Randolph
Kanter or Val / Perk

Miller / Ridnour
Roy / Matthews / Ellington
Wallace / Batum / Babbitt
Aldridge / PF(signed)
Oden / Camby

This trade makes MIN better but Flynn & Tolliver for TOR?

I know I will get excoriated for this but for the sake of discussion, how about this:

To TOR: Rubio, Fernandez
To MIN: DeRozen, Bayless
To POR: Ridnour, Ellington

To MEM: Amir Johnson + 2011 TOR 1st pick
To TOR: Marc Gasol + 2011 MEM 1st pick

TOR:

Rubio/Calderon
Fernandez/Barbosa
Johnson/Kleiza
Bargnani/Davis
Gasol

I don't like that trade at all.

DeRozan likes playing here, or so they say, and with us possibly getting a top pick this year, I'd rather take our chances.

Even if we don't win the lottery, I'd rather keep DeRozan, draft Terrence Jones and hope that we get a top pick next year, which may not be all that unlikely with the possible lockout next year.

This post, of course, is just my opinion.

DreamTeam09 · Post #1045 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:25 pm

I think whoever gets the number 1 pick will be getting a lot of offers for da pick. If we were to get #1, I'm starting to think we should trade (Kyrie) for a top 5 pick & another young starter for us. Like flip picks with sac for cousins. I'll add ed davis to that deal if they help us with some cap flexibility. Or we could flip him to clv for both of their top 10 picks. We could holla at minny for either rubio or wes johnson + their pick for #1 + filler... Maybe Utah and take Harris off their hands + NJ pick.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1046 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:18 pm

TBH, I was thinking about the Biedrins of times past and hoping he could somehow return to his former glory but I guess not. In my previous suggestions though, I had mentioned acquiring him through the TPE that we have remaining. Now it's true his contract is huge but the idea was acquiring a pick or young player of some kind, Some mentioned Steph Curry and I'd be all over that if that was presented to me.

Looking around the NBA, there aren't much attainable answers to out problem at C. It looks like, regardless of you take, you'll be taking SOME kind of risk. Here's a list of starting C available this offseason (ideally you wanna pick one up that is young and will be here for a while)

Oden (injury prone), Jordan (may stay with current team), Gasol (overpaid), Biedrins (struggling greatly),

That looks like about it. Ideally I'd want Jordan but who know's?

Nene and Chandler are on good teams would not likely come here.

aj11 · Post #1047 » by **aj11** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:08 am

What do you guys think about taking a run at chris paul. Since New Orleans has money issues maybe we take okafor off their hands along with paul and trade our top pick + young players (ed/demar etc) + futures. We end up with the ideal center for bargnani, a good rebounding/defensive center, and a superstar point guard. It's a little less than the package new jersey sent for williams but it would provide financial flexibility for a team with money problems

Snakeyes · Post #1048 » by **Snakeyes** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:45 am

I'm fine with any trade that lets us keep Demar and Ed while adding Steph Curry.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1049 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:47 am

Snakeyes wrote:I'm fine with any trade that lets us keep Demar and Ed while adding Steph Curry.

he would be the ideal PG beside Derozan with his shooting + court vision. Id give up our pick + anything else they wanted

ballislife · Post #1050 » by **ballislife** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:48 am

yea he would be a great fit next to Derozan... he also has roots in Toronto so I'm sure he would enjoy playing for the team his dad played for and the city he played in as a youngster.. I wonder if GS would consider Bargnani + our first rounder (if its not #1) for Curry and Biedrins - who has a pretty terrible contract considering his output.

TDotRep · Post #1051 » by **TDotRep** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:02 am

Everyone should just get the idea of biedrins coming here out of their heads. Average rebounds and defense, bad offense at 10m a year. Like I said before, i'd rather have ajinca on the court, especially for what he's making.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1052 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:00 pm

what about.

To TOR: Pekovic + Flynn
To MIN: Barbosa + Calderon + DAL 2012 1st Round Pick
To DAL: Ridnour (absorbed through TE) + TOR 2012 2nd Round Pick + Cash (TOR)

MIN wins now, without their pick in 2012 (its owed to the Clippers unprotected) they get 2 veterans that can help them make the push to win. Kahn said hes done rebuilding so Calderon + Barbosa gives them 2 vets off the bench to compliment the young guys. Calderon can also mentor rubio and ease his transition as stated before.

Toronto gets younger and opens up roster spots for Weems coming back. Flynn fits our system and Pek is a nice backup C that can help us. We would draft Barnes and our positions would be set for the future.

Dallas gets someone who takes over for JJs role would be a nice addition there. Toronto sends cash to pay for his salary.

Flynn / Bayless
Derozan / Weems
Barnes / Klezia / Johnson
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Pekovic / Alabi

really like that team. Fill out the bench with some shooters and maybe you bring back Evans but i wouldnt and id just leave it like this.

Calderon / Rubio
Johnson / Barbosa / Ellington
Beasley / Webster / Hayward
Love / Randolph
Darko / Kanter / Tolliver

+ they have another 1st in this draft. This would likely take place after the draft because if we get Irving it doesnt make sense.

for some reason i really like that team. I think they could be a dark horse in the West and really cause problems for people.

Dr Positivity · Post #1053 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:57 pm

The Bay/Flynn and Pek deal works, just make it smaller. Bayless for Flynn and Pekovic at draft time. Min gets a PG close to Flynn in value and clears 5 mil salary cause Kahn lovvvvves tradeable capspace

Draft Harrison Barnes at #5

Let Reggie, Sonny walk

10-11 lineup:
Calderon/Flynn
Derozan/Barbosa
Barnes/Johnson
Davis/Amir
Bargnani/Pekovic

I like it

Wo1verine · Post #1054 » by **Wo1verine** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:44 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:The Bay/Flynn and Pek deal works, just make it smaller. Bayless for Flynn and Pekovic at draft time. Min gets a PG close to Flynn in value and clears 5 mil salary cause Kahn lovvvvves tradeable capspace

Draft Harrison Barnes at #5

Let Reggie, Sonny walk

10-11 lineup:
Calderon/Flynn
Derozan/Barbosa
Barnes/Johnson
Davis/Amir
Bargnani/Pekovic

I like it

Me not so much..
if we're rebuilding then i think Bargs should go because when we're ready to take the next step Bargs will be in his 30's and not very useful. I say trade him for younger assets. rebuilding teams shouldn't be paying 10MM for a bench player anyways.

LewAlcinder · Post #1055 » by **LewAlcinder** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:03 pm

I was one who raised Biedrins as part of a trade and after watching a recent GS game I would have to say I have never seen a player starting looking so lost on the court.

Don't know what happened to him but it is not to say he played poorly, he didn't even play, avoided contact, avoided the ball.

Confidence is gone, if he signs another contract after this one I would be very surprised.

I think he is done.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1056 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:35 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:The Bay/Flynn and Pek deal works, just make it smaller. Bayless for Flynn and Pekovic at draft time. Min gets a PG close to Flynn in value and clears 5 mil salary cause Kahn lovvvvves tradeable capspace

Draft Harrison Barnes at #5

Let Reggie, Sonny walk

10-11 lineup:
Calderon/Flynn
Derozan/Barbosa
Barnes/Johnson
Davis/Amir
Bargnani/Pekovic

I like it

the problem with Bayless for Flynn is i think Bayless has been better and has more value than Flynn. What about something like.

Calderon + J.Johnson + TOR 2012 2nd for Pekovic + Flynn + Hayward

Wolves need veteran leadership. Something Calderon brings. James Johnson IMO has = value to flynn so i think thats a pretty fair deal where Bayless has more value. Since coming over hes averaging 8, 5 and 2, Flynn 6, 4 and 2. Maybe you include DAL and send Ridnour there if Rubio is 100% comming over.

To TOR: Flynn + Pekovic + Hayward
To DAL: Ridnour (through TE) + TOR 2012 2nd
To MIN: DAL 2012 1st + James Johnson + Calderon

Flynn / Bayless
Derozan / Barbosa / Weems
Barnes / Klezia / Hayward
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Pekovic / Alabi

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1057 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:59 am

Dr Mufasa im curious as to if youd do this deal (assuming Irving isnt there)

My thinking is our biggest need is a young PG. Having cap space to get a SF (Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Thaddeus Young) would also be a plus. So here it is.

Draft Day:

To Toronto: Jennings + Delfino (Waived unguaranteed) + Sanders
To Milwaukee: Calderon + TOR 2011 1st Round Pick

this saves 5 million instantly. Giving us room to sign Jeff Green/Wilson Chandler. We fill our biggest need PG whos also best friends with our best player. Delfino is unguaranteed so he can be waived.

Jennings / Bayless
Derozan / Barbosa
Green / Klezia / Johnson
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Sanders / Alabi

Sanders is also a athletic big that can play the 5 IMO and is in love with playing defense, compares himself to KG defensively.

Would you do that? Would anyone else? Bucks would be nice IMO

Calderon / Dooling
Salmons / SG
T.Jones / Maggette
Irsan / Gooden
Bogut / Kanter

Salted Meat · Post #1058 » by **Salted Meat** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:33 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:My thinking is our biggest need is a young PG. Having cap space to get a SF (Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Thaddeus Young) would also be a plus. So here it is.

Draft Day:
To Toronto: Jennings + Delfino (Waived unguaranteed) + Sanders
To Milwaukee: Calderon + TOR 2011 1st Round Pick

The only problem is, what if you're unable to land any of Green, Chandler, or Young? You just traded your #5 pick for Jenning. Sure it's nice to have Calderon off the books, but he'll already be an expiring deal after next year's shortened (or non-existent) season, and thus have some value.

If I'm dealing with the Bucks, I'm offering this:
Toronto Trades: Andrea Bargnani
Milwaukee trades: Corey Magette, Bucks 1st round pick

For Milwaukee, A Bogut/Bargnani frontcourt might be too good to pass up. We get a second lottery pick that might net us a steal if someone falls on draft night, and we'll have over $20 million in expirings in 2012-13.

forzainternl · Post #1059 » by **forzainternl** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:00 am

Salted Meat wrote:
If I'm dealing with the Bucks, I'm offering this:
Toronto Trades: Andrea Bargnani
Milwaukee trades: Corey Magette, Bucks 1st round pick

For Milwaukee, A Bogut/Bargnani frontcourt might be too good to pass up. We get a second lottery pick that might net us a steal if someone falls on draft night, and we'll have over $20 million in expirings in 2012-13.

Wow nice trade, does it work? Imagine Barnes + Irving as draft picks...

Silk Wilkes · Post #1060 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:25 am

forzainternl wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:
If I'm dealing with the Bucks, I'm offering this:
Toronto Trades: Andrea Bargnani
Milwaukee trades: Corey Magette, Bucks 1st round pick

For Milwaukee, A Bogut/Bargnani frontcourt might be too good to pass up. We get a second lottery pick that might net us a steal if someone falls on draft night, and we'll have over $20 million in expirings in 2012-13.

Wow nice trade, does it work? Imagine Barnes + Irving as draft picks...