Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

blacknred · Post #1401 » by **blacknred** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:57 pm

plainballing wrote:We need stronger wing first...you realize we do have some young big in Amir and Ed.

Did you notice we don't have a center? Amir or Ed will be traded anyways when we get a true C since AB is BC's love child.

Legal Non-Conforming · Post #1402 » by **Legal Non-Conforming** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:05 pm

blacknred wrote:
plainballing wrote:We need stronger wing first...you realize we do have some young big in Amir and Ed.

Did you notice we don't have a center? Amir or Ed will be traded anyways when we get a true C since AB is BC's love child.

LOL, you sound like this guy's agent. If we need a C, Jonas Valanciunas is a better prospect.

Post #1403 » by **Marvin!** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:11 pm

blacknred wrote:Since Irving is going to the Cavs

why is Irving going to the Cavs? do you understand how a lottery works?

plainballing · Post #1404 » by **plainballing** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:19 pm

blacknred wrote:
plainballing wrote:We need stronger wing first...you realize we do have some young big in Amir and Ed.

Did you notice we don't have a center? Amir or Ed will be traded anyways when we get a true C since AB is BC's love child.

So you think guys like James Johnson, Weems, JuJu, Bayless will solve our problem? Like come on. At least we have Bargs in our front court.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1405 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:23 pm

An update on Kanter.

Kanter plans on entering the draft and would prefer not to play overseas even if the NBA stages a lockout. He is scheduled to go to Chicago after the school year to work with renowned trainer Tim Grover and he also expects to play again in the Hoop Summit on April 9 in Portland, Ore.

Here's the full article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-kanternba031611

SDM · Post #1406 » by **SDM** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:23 pm

He's not a fit here. I don't like his athleticism and leaping ability. I'm willing to wait until measurements come in, but I'm not holding out for impressive figures. Could be a useful player. I'd rather someone else bet on his athleticism against larger and more explosive NBA athletes.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1407 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:40 pm

SDM wrote:He's not a fit here. I don't like his athleticism and leaping ability. I'm willing to wait until measurements come in, but I'm not holding out for impressive figures. Could be a useful player. I'd rather someone else bet on his athleticism against larger and more explosive NBA athletes.

He's undersized to be a centre, but I don't see how he's any less athletic than guys like Boozer/ZBo/Al Jefferson. If we drafted him and turfed Bargs, we'd be giving up some length and perimeter scoring, but gaining low-post scoring, rebounding, competitiveness. I think the trade-off would be beneficial (that's if his knees check out).

Getting blocked at the rim isn't such a big deal. Making a team collapse is much more important over the course of a game.

SDM · Post #1408 » by **SDM** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:48 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
SDM wrote:He's not a fit here. I don't like his athleticism and leaping ability. I'm willing to wait until measurements come in, but I'm not holding out for impressive figures. Could be a useful player. I'd rather someone else bet on his athleticism against larger and more explosive NBA athletes.

He's undersized to be a centre, but I don't see how he's any less athletic than guys like Boozer/ZBo/Al Jefferson. If we drafted him and turfed Bargs, we'd be giving up some length and perimeter scoring, but gaining low-post scoring, rebounding, competitiveness. I think the trade-off would be beneficial (that's if his knees check out).

Getting blocked at the rim isn't such a big deal. Making a team collapse is much more important over the course of a game.

That's dependent on moving Bargs, which I don't think will happen. If Kantar's the BPA when we draft and we're moving ahead without Bargs, sure, why not. With the way the roster is constructed right now, the last thing we need is an undersized center who can't get off the ground, especially if we're pairing him with Bargnani.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1409 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:55 pm

I like Kanter, I think he's a smart player that can face up and bang in the post--basically a go-to scoring option of a big that can actually rebound and hold his own in the paint. If his knees check out and he looks good in the workouts, I'd be pretty happy drafting him (I've never actually read any specifics about his knee problems-- it's unclear whether he's had surgery or not, and the extent of the issues). I think his upside is pretty high, although I might give a slight edge to Valanciunas right now

Lawnmower Man · Post #1410 » by **Lawnmower Man** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:03 pm

plainballing wrote:
Gurgals wrote:
dTox wrote:Also I would much rather have Jones/Barnes over Kanter anyday, we don't need any more unproven/raw talent.

Not saying we should select Kanter by any means, but Jones & Barnes are the 2 most unproven, raw talent players in the entire draft. Many sources say they could likely be the biggest disappointments of the draft.

However, I'd take my chance with either of the 2, especially Jones. 6'11'' freak of a nature/athletic freak SF, who can break people down, and has great shot mechanics!!? Sign me the **** up

That's the true reason for being a lottery pick. They have huge potential and, if they maximize it, they will become better players.

Anyways, we can always purchase picks or trade some of our guys and/or cash for picks.

I don't know why people keep saying this when it hasn't been further from the truth

Lakonomy · Post #1411 » by **Lakonomy** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:06 pm

Valanciunas is more athletic, longer, a surprisingly good FT shooter, a player who sacrifices his body for rebounds and gives good effort on D. He shoots more than 90% of his shots at the rim, and has a TS% of over 70%. He's exactly what a frontcourt partner with Bargs should be.

But he's also a skinny 18 yr old kid. I would guess that he would need 2-3 years before he gets good. I don't think BC wants a pick that early to take so long to pan out.

Protomav · Post #1412 » by **Protomav** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:08 pm

Absolutely not.

Definitely not impressed. I'm pretty sure if he tried any of this soft stuff around any forward not named Andrea Bargnani, he'd get blocked or just moved out of the way. He reminds me of Scola without the toughness.

The solution to our problem is an electric PG that also has at least some type of defensive game - or a combination of LeBron James, Dwight Howard and the 1999 version of Vince Carter.

Macho · Post #1413 » by **Macho** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:29 pm

We have Bargs so no need to draft a centre, duh.

Orsk · Post #1414 » by **Orsk** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:34 pm

Boy does BC know how to pick the years we get good picks in doesnt he... (obviously he doesnt really pick them, but you know). I'm dubious that there will be any good players from this top 5 in 5 years from now. I get the bad feeling that this is 2006 and drafting Bargs all over again. Lots of players with plenty of upside, no obvious franchise players.

Lets just hope we don't get the number 1 and get all gooey over Kanter or someone based on his tiny flashes. Even Irving hasnt played all year and might not pan out as good as everyone on this board seems to think, he's still small imo.

plainballing · Post #1415 » by **plainballing** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:51 pm

Lawnmower Man wrote:
plainballing wrote:
That's the true reason for being a lottery pick. They have huge potential and, if they maximize it, they will become better players.

Anyways, we can always purchase picks or trade some of our guys and/or cash for picks.

I don't know why people keep saying this when it hasn't been further from the truth

So it is actually difficult to get a pick? I am just wondering...because some teams do have a lot of draft picks in one draft and they may wish to trade it for some future draft pick or cash instead.

Indeed · Post #1416 » by **Indeed** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:20 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
SDM wrote:He's not a fit here. I don't like his athleticism and leaping ability. I'm willing to wait until measurements come in, but I'm not holding out for impressive figures. Could be a useful player. I'd rather someone else bet on his athleticism against larger and more explosive NBA athletes.

He's undersized to be a centre, but I don't see how he's any less athletic than guys like Boozer/ZBo/Al Jefferson. If we drafted him and turfed Bargs, we'd be giving up some length and perimeter scoring, but gaining low-post scoring, rebounding, competitiveness. I think the trade-off would be beneficial (that's if his knees check out).

Getting blocked at the rim isn't such a big deal. Making a team collapse is much more important over the course of a game.

Indeed, I see Kanter looks like Boozer, and would be a perfect fit with Bargnani under Utah system.
Boozer = Kanter
Bargnani = Orkur
And we need a shot blocking defensive SF with rebounding and spot up shooting skills, and a big PG who can play defense and pick and roll.

If Bayless can improve his passing and court vision, that would be fine, shooting on the perimeter is our first priority.

And hire Sloan

Post #1417 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:25 pm

DX has posted an expanded scouting report on Barnes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... arnes-3648

Post #1418 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:40 pm

Not sure if this has been posted, but Yahoo has an article up about Kanter with quotes from NBA scouts and GMs:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=m ... rnba031611

Post #1419 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:46 pm

Also worth pointing out:

New DX Mock

Barnes is now 4th.

1. Irving
2. Valanciunas
3. Sullinger
4. Barnes
5. Perry Jones
6. Derrick Williams
7. Kemba Walker
8. Enes Kanter
9. Terrence Jones
10. Jan Vesely

shmito17 · Post #1420 » by **shmito17** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:47 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:DX has posted an expanded scouting report on Barnes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... arnes-3648

I haven't followed Barnes all that much, but from that DX clip - he reminds me of a Joe Johnson type player. Can shoot the long jumper, create somewhat off the dribble, and doesn't invite contact all that much despite his size.

Is that a fair enough comparison?