Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

Post #21 » by **5DOM** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:21 pm

Jimmer!

HSOB SIRHC · Post #22 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:27 pm

If we plan on keeping Bargs, having Terrence Jones (a big sf who rebounds) next to him isn't so bad.

Post #23 » by **Rhettmatic** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:30 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:If we plan on keeping Bargs, having Terrence Jones (a big sf who rebounds) next to him isn't so bad.

I'm not trying to instigate a Bargsument here, but let me just say this -- whether you're a fan of him or not, I think the vast majority of us can agree that we should not be making draft picks with the intention of covering up Bargs' flaws.

I don't think it should even be a factor right now.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #24 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:32 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
HSOB SIRHC wrote:If we plan on keeping Bargs, having Terrence Jones (a big sf who rebounds) next to him isn't so bad.

I'm not trying to instigate a Bargsument here, but let me just say this -- whether you're a fan of him or not, I think the vast majority of us can agree that we should not be making draft picks with the intention of covering up Bargs' flaws.

I don't think it should even be a factor right now.

Agreed. Just trade his azz and build anew. Don't waste picks trying to put a band aid over a gunshot wound.

CapeCrusader · Post #25 » by **CapeCrusader** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:37 pm

Irving then Barnes. Both would be sick on our team.

HomieOmey · Post #26 » by **HomieOmey** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:39 pm

Is Jimmer a good playmaker? I haven't really seen him play, but this team definitely needs far more than a shooter / Eddie House type guy. I don't know if we even have the personal to get him shots.

Post #27 » by **Rhettmatic** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:42 pm

HomieOmey wrote:Is Jimmer a good playmaker? I haven't really seen him play, but this team definitely needs far more than a shooter / Eddie House type guy. I don't know if we even have the personal to get him shots.

I've never got that impression from watching him. He's averaged 4.2 assists and 3.5 turnovers this year. Here's what DX wrote about his playmaking:

Another question mark about Fredette revolves around the role he'll play at the next level. He's able to operate with unlimited freedom as the end-all, be-all solution in BYU's offense, but he's not a particularly prolific passer. Amongst the 19 point guards currently in our Top 100 Prospect rankings, Fredette rates toward the bottom in both assist to turnover ratio and Pure Point Rating.

I realllly don't like Fredette as an NBA prospect.

Post #28 » by **Rhettmatic** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:44 pm

Chad Ford has started his annual "Who's In/Out of the NBA Draft?" column here:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... InOut-2011

Post #29 » by **5DOM** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:58 pm

Jimmer can easily create plays himself (probbly best in the nation) but is quite average passer. And btw he's not just another catch and shoot jumpshooter. He can flat out score from anywhere he wants

dagger · Post #30 » by **dagger** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:12 pm

Rude Boy 1 wrote:Can you show me some quotes? I haven't heard any teams declare they are salivating over Val.

Cleveland, which has two top 10 picks as things stand, is said to be looking at him as one of their two picks.

This is from ESPN, via Hoopshype:

» Friday, February 25 2011

What direction will Cleveland go? The Cavs are far from having their minds made up, but sources say to look closely at two players -- North Carolina's Harrison Barnes and Lithuanian big man Jonas Valanciunas. Barnes has struggled this season, but a source close to the Cavs told me the team believes he'll be much better in the pros. Valanciunas is the highest-rated international prospect on our board. He's long, active around the basket and is putting up impressive numbers for a player his age. ESPN.com
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS, DRAFT, HARRISON BARNES, JONAS VALANCIUNAS | SHARE
The Cavs are far from having their minds made up, but sources say to look closely at two players -- North Carolina's Harrison Barnes and Lithuanian big man Jonas Valanciunas. Barnes has struggled this season, but a source close to the Cavs told me the team believes he'll be much better in the pros. Valanciunas is the highest-rated international prospect on our board. He's long, active around the basket and is putting up impressive numbers for a player his age. ESPN.com
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS, DRAFT, HARRISON BARNES, JONAS VALANCIUNAS | SHARE

Listen, the Caliper test is not a test of basketball talent, but of one's likelihood to withstand pressure. Lots of teams use it, to supplement their assessment of the individuals they are draft rating.

You don't have to like Valanciunas, but at least try to explain it in basketball terms, not in retard-speak.

By the way, it's reasonable to assume we use the Caliper test on our other first round picks, so if that's the reason for opposing Valanciunas, you had better be anti-Irving and anti-Barnes and anti-Jones and anti-Sullinger, because we will probably give them the test, too.

So stop being a jackass.

rapsrealm · Post #31 » by **rapsrealm** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:14 pm

Chad Ford talks NBA Draft Prospects in the tournament:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... id=6227027

rapsrealm · Post #32 » by **rapsrealm** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:15 pm

DX talks NBA Draft Prospects in the tournament with Sports Illustrated:

http://bit.ly/hVpZn8

PowerPhil15 · Post #33 » by **PowerPhil15** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:16 pm

i have watched the last 3 games with jimmer.

1. He can score from anywhere - and usually he is double teamed and has to be guarded full court.
-so if he transitions to the nba level, its likely he will be guarded one on one which will make shooting for him a lot easier(thats why his teamates get so many points - they arent amazing they just get free shots after jimmer is doubled).

2. He is really good at bringing the ball down the floor, even under pressure. and yes he is a good passer and is good at draw and kicks

3. He dosent seem explosive but somehow he makes very touch layups in transition and gets a lot of and 1's.

4. he is exciting. fans love him.

my only problems are not knowing how good he is on defence. im worried he would get blown by like calderon does. also if hes having a bad shooting night then he really is a negative factor on court. However, in all the games i dont see him missing very many open 3's, let alone those 3;s where he is under pressure

HomieOmey · Post #34 » by **HomieOmey** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:16 pm

Still doesn't sound like someone I would want to use a top 10 pick on, rather swing for the fences, but does seem like an easy guy to root for and fall in love with watching.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #35 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:30 pm

T.Jones was invisible against Princeton. I want no part.

It's too bad more wasn't made of Faried's block. One the most clutch plays I've seen in all my years of watching March Madness.

fredericklove · Post #36 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:33 pm

Did anyone watch TJ today? He didn't play that great, scored a few buckets off isolation play and strong drives...but dude doesn't play with intensity and fire. Had some good defensive plays but he's just doesn't have the killer instinct when the game is on the line. So far he's struggled in last 5-6 games...I'm starting to have doubts about him.

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #37 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:34 pm

i wouldn't mind it a bit if we bought a late pick to draft faried (not that mlse would spring the cash for it)

bboyskinnylegs · Post #38 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:35 pm

Jimmer will definitely benefit from not being guarded as heavily in the NBA (meaning having multiple defenders thrown at him, although the quality of the defenses will certainly go up), similar to the way Curry has. The main concerns I have with him are how well he can guard players in the NBA, and if he can be effective at running an offense. Curry definitely proved his doubters wrong with his court vision and ability to set up teammates.

Personally I think he's a reach with our pick right now, although I wouldn't have a problem drafting him if we could acquire an additional lotto pick (assuming none of the better prospects drop)

dagger · Post #39 » by **dagger** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:37 pm

Another note for Rude Boy on Valanciunas:

After Rytas blew out a Russian team today (the game wasn't very consequential so I am not going to make much of a deal of it), I asked the author of LithuanianBasketball.com whether Jonas has tipped his hand on entering the draft.

LithuaniaBasket
@accfanto Haven't heard anything, though I personally saw at least five scouts walking with his agent after the game. Could've been more.

So NBA teams are interested. This game was little more than a scrimmage and the scouts are sniffing around him constantly.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #40 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:38 pm

dagger wrote:
Rude Boy 1 wrote:Can you show me some quotes? I haven't heard any teams declare they are salivating over Val.

Cleveland, which has two top 10 picks as things stand, is said to be looking at him as one of their two picks.

Listen, the Caliper test is not a test of basketball talent, but of one's likelihood to withstand pressure. Lots of teams use it, to supplement their assessment of the individuals they are draft rating.

By the way, it's reasonable to assume we use it on our other first round picks, so if that's the reason for opposing Valanciunas, you had better be anti-Irving and anti-Barnes and anti-Jones and anti-Sullinger, because we will probably give them the test, too.

So stop being a jackass.

That may be a word associated with you but not me my friend and I would advise you to use your words with a little more discretion.

You think I don't know what the caliper test is? It was made very clear its function and use during the drafting of the worst rebounding (and possibly defensive) bigman in the history of the game! When BC clearly stated that when he saw his scores were through the roof he had to select him. lol.

Euro basketball players play in a wack league with either NBA cast offs or worse European role players. When Europe says it has the next Gasol or Dirk I don't sleep but I tend to hit the snooze button a few times until we get an honest assessment of their true ability. No doubt the drafting of Roko Ukic, Andrea Bargnani, Alex Radojevic, Rafael Araujo have tainted my opinion on selecting European(or International if you will) players as it should, haven't been able to identify any studs like say Houston or San Antonio. And to go even further than that how many in the last 10 years selected in a lottery position have been anything more than just moderately serviceable?

2001
Pau Gasol
Dasagna Diop
Vlad Radmanovic

2002
Yao Ming
Nene
Nikoloz Tskitishvili

2003
Darko Miličić
Mickael Pietrus

2004
Andris Biedriņš

2005
Fran Vázquez
Yaroslav Korolev

2006
Andrea Bargnani
Mouhamed Sene
Thabo Sefolosha

2007
Yi Jianlian

2008
Danilo Gallinari