Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

bboyskinnylegs · Post #101 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:59 am

how quick do you guys think Kemba is? Is he on Wall/Rose's level in terms of speed? What about his ballhandling/first-step?

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #102 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:02 am

^John Wall is probably faster (when his knees are healthy) than both Walker and Rose, but I'd say he's right there with them in terms of speed.

Salted Meat · Post #103 » by **Salted Meat** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:09 am

Given the choice, I'd rather have Walker chucking than Bargnani.

Hard to complain about Walker's game tonight, he showed he can do pretty much everything.

If we can get that Bucks pick, I'd consider him at 9. He'd be the kind of guy who can increase his stock almost immediately.

I think we could easily flip him for a pick in the 4-6 range next year too, if so desired.

Regardless though, it's still imperative that we get a second lottery pick in this draft.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #104 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:10 am

^^ you'd be hard pressed to find anyone faster then Wall or Rose. Kemba does have that kind of quicks its just not on that level.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #105 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:15 am

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WhatsaTDot · Post #106 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:25 am

Rude Boy 1 wrote:Do your homework son! the Big East is the toughest conference in the NCAA. 7 ranked teams in the conference.

And also he's not a chucker if you even cared to watch him play you would see his ball distributing skills and his ability to penetrate and find men are constantly on display. It just so happens that he is counted on to take the big shots firstly because he makes them and secondly because he's so quick no one can stay with him. He is constantly doubled.

Anyway everything you have written just screams "I'm looking at the measurements and not the results." The kid is a leader and a winner and he's doing it with one of the great coaches in the game tutoring him. You think Calhoun is going to make a young PG chuck? lol... he is there go to guy that's why he gets the looks.

It doesnt matter how tough the conference is, son. It doesnt make him a prototypical point guard. We dont need Ben Gordon. Offense is not our problem.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #107 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:28 am

Salted Meat wrote:Given the choice, I'd rather have Walker chucking than Bargnani.

Hard to complain about Walker's game tonight, he showed he can do pretty much everything.

If we can get that Bucks pick, I'd consider him at 9. He'd be the kind of guy who can increase his stock almost immediately.

I think we could easily flip him for a pick in the 4-6 range next year too, if so desired.

Regardless though, it's still imperative that we get a second lottery pick in this draft.

agreed, I'd love to get another lotto pick to get another shot at Irving, and a decent chance to land some more young talent to move forward with. I'm pretty sure we could extract another pick (I'm thinking the Cavs #8/Pistons/Bucks) by using Bargs to help a team dump some salary. We could probably trade Ed for a lotto pick straight up, although I'd want to steer clear of a deal like that.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #108 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:32 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:
Rude Boy 1 wrote:Do your homework son! the Big East is the toughest conference in the NCAA. 7 ranked teams in the conference.

And also he's not a chucker if you even cared to watch him play you would see his ball distributing skills and his ability to penetrate and find men are constantly on display. It just so happens that he is counted on to take the big shots firstly because he makes them and secondly because he's so quick no one can stay with him. He is constantly doubled.

Anyway everything you have written just screams "I'm looking at the measurements and not the results." The kid is a leader and a winner and he's doing it with one of the great coaches in the game tutoring him. You think Calhoun is going to make a young PG chuck? lol... he is there go to guy that's why he gets the looks.

It doesnt matter how tough the conference is, son. It doesnt make him a prototypical point guard. We dont need Ben Gordon. Offense is not our problem.

Why are you jumping in and making (edited) remarks? At least add some substance... sheesh.

Kemba is nothing close to Ben Gordon the only relationship is the school they played for. Kemba is a shot maker and a penetrator with incredible speed.

Kevin Willis · Post #109 » by **Kevin Willis** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:45 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Look at a Kawhi Leonard interview and tell me his personality does not remind you of Amir Johnson.

That's what I've been saying. He's a SF version of Amir but he can hit the three. Plus he has a grown man's body and Trevor Ariza type athletecism.

He shoots .276 from 3pt%.

Oh you only watched the last two games...

Um, I've been saying this about Leonard the last couple of months. He can't shoot the three - I know that. That's why he's like Amir but he hit a couple tonight which shows growth. Last year he wouldn't even attempt it.

Live Free · Post #110 » by **Live Free** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:29 pm

Didn't see this posted but DX put up a Prospect of the Week scouting report on Harrison Barnes..

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... arnes-3648

After watching the vid, i'm pretty much sold on Barnes 2nd on our draft board to Kyrie

CunningLinguist · Post #111 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:07 pm

Rude Boy 1 wrote:Harrsion Barnes looks soft to me. Doesn't strike me as a guy you want to lead your team.

Which is interesting considering that I believe it was you that was lauding him as the best prospect since Lebron before the season started.

CunningLinguist · Post #112 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:21 pm

fredericklove wrote:Did anyone watch TJ today? He didn't play that great, scored a few buckets off isolation play and strong drives...but dude doesn't play with intensity and fire. Had some good defensive plays but he's just doesn't have the killer instinct when the game is on the line. So far he's struggled in last 5-6 games...I'm starting to have doubts about him.

I think he's shown more intensity and fire than Barnes over the course of the full season

CunningLinguist · Post #113 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:30 pm

sunny wrote:Kemba has obvious flaws to his game that will hinder him at the next level. Furthermore, he is a third year player and seeing what he does against Bucknell tells you literally nothing that factors into a draft discussion.

Other than height, which I think can be overrated for point guards, I don't see major flaws. He was getting his teammates involved and they were hitting shots. Since they built up a big lead, he didn't have to take over the game offensively.

NBA teams won't be able to throw 2 or 3 defenders at him every game. Not to mention that he will benefit from a less congested paint in the NBA.

CunningLinguist · Post #114 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:32 pm

Youngblood wrote:Does Kenneth Faried's performance today do anything for anyone? A possible Reggie Evans replacement? I think with the general concensus saying that this draft is weak will open up opportunities for pick acquisitions at a cheaper rate than usual. Bigs like Faried, Henson, etc will be available mid-first round and are worth taking a flyer on. I mean, look at LA and Boston, they were scary until Boston dealt Perkins but the best teams in the league stack up on quality bigs.

Where would he get minutes with Amir and Ed at PF?

CunningLinguist · Post #115 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:35 pm

Rude Boy 1 wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'm convinced - Kemba Walker is going to be an impact player in the NBA.

Bucknell showed hard off the UCONN screens, and he'd immediately move the ball to an open shooter. He managed the game to near perfection, and when he got a chance, looked to score.

He's finished for the game.

18 pts (5-11 FGs, 2-5 3pt FGs), 8 rebs. 12 asts, and 2 stls. with just 2 TOs.

I'm a believer! the guy is just a player. In an era where kids come out after one or two years then stink in the NBA, Kemba is a throwback to the old days when guys actually stayed in school and worked on their games. I like his shot making ability, his quickness, his ball distribution skills, leadership and also the fact that he's not some little kid who will take years to reach his prime. He can fit in with our core pretty soon.

I agree. I don't understand why people write him off just because he's a junior. His quickness, ballhandling, first step and shooting are very transferable to the NBA.

CunningLinguist · Post #116 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:39 pm

TDotRep wrote:I think Kemba could be an impact player in the league, he can score and find the open man, I wouldn't draft him top 5 but if we somehow acquired another pick I wouldn't mind taking him.

Forget about the mock drafts for a moment and ask yourself why someone who you believe will be an impact player than can score and find the open man wouldn't be worthy of a top 5 pick. If you believe those things (as I do) you should have no problem taking him that early.

saham · Post #117 » by **saham** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:42 pm

We need to tank better.

I am afraid Barnes might not be available when we pick.

Comeatme_Bro · Post #118 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:43 pm

Live Free wrote:Didn't see this posted but DX put up a Prospect of the Week scouting report on Harrison Barnes..

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... arnes-3648

After watching the vid, i'm pretty much sold on Barnes 2nd on our draft board to Kyrie

He looks like a less athletic DD but with a better 3 pt shot.

CunningLinguist · Post #119 » by **CunningLinguist** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:45 pm

Kemba strikes me as a BC guy. Quick athletic combo guard with shot making ability.

@ James Ben Gordon does not possess the ball handling and speed Kemba does. Kemba I would say is sort of like TJ Ford 2007 with a jumper.[/quote]

No offence but I'm in disbelief that you want that.

I don't care the validation, no TEAM needs a chucker at PG. He will not have the same level of success in the NBA especially with the glut of PGs today. I will bet anything the team that drafts him will be whining about him being a chucker. Right now he's competing against nobodies in the NCAA --- hence why he's a top PG prospect. He's undersized, not a great passer which a team with the inability to creates (ie/ Raptors) needs, he's no Iverson and the beasts in today's NBA are going to eat him up.

NO F'ING WAY I WANT KEMBA WALKER ON THE RAPTORS --- EMPHATICALLY PASS![/quote]

Do your homework son! the Big East is the toughest conference in the NCAA. 7 ranked teams in the conference.

And also he's not a chucker if you even cared to watch him play you would see his ball distributing skills and his ability to penetrate and find men are constantly on display. It just so happens that he is counted on to take the big shots firstly because he makes them and secondly because he's so quick no one can stay with him. He is constantly doubled.

Anyway everything you have written just screams "I'm looking at the measurements and not the results." The kid is a leader and a winner and he's doing it with one of the great coaches in the game tutoring him. You think Calhoun is going to make a young PG chuck? lol... he is there go to guy that's why he gets the looks.[/quote]

I fully agree. I hate the oversuse of the word chucker. i think a lot people look at the boxscore, see the number of shots he takes and declare that they want a pass first point guard, despite the fact that I can't think of a single one that has a led his team to an NBA championship in the last 20 years.

Silk Wilkes · Post #120 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:11 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Does Kenneth Faried's performance today do anything for anyone? A possible Reggie Evans replacement? I think with the general concensus saying that this draft is weak will open up opportunities for pick acquisitions at a cheaper rate than usual. Bigs like Faried, Henson, etc will be available mid-first round and are worth taking a flyer on. I mean, look at LA and Boston, they were scary until Boston dealt Perkins but the best teams in the league stack up on quality bigs.

Where would he get minutes with Amir and Ed at PF?

It doesn't matter. You collect talented assets and worry later.