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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#1181 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:10 pm

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Halcyon wrote:Huge block by Faried to end the game.

It really was amazing. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... caab-wp665

He ran out at the shooter and somehow completely stopped his momentum on a dime and had the body control and timing to go straight up, avoid contact, and swat it away.

He didn't respect the laws of physics. :D

That play demonstrated why IMO Faried and Booker can coexist in the same frontcourt. Tremendous closeout on a three-point is what a SF is supposed to do. Faried can defend the perimeter and grab all the loose balls. Booker is a faster guy, and a little wider guy who can finish in transition and who also defends. Those two together approach the athleticism of the Hawks with Smith and Horford. Faried can rebound as well as Horford and he and Booker both block shots like Smith.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#1182 » by pcbothwel » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:12 pm

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Geaux Wiz wrote:Am I the only one left on the Perry Jones bandwagon?



I agree with everything you said. Perry is 1st on my draft board, and while he's pretty raw right now, he has all the tools and has shown flashes of what he can do at Baylor.


I wouldn't mind landing Perry Jones, but I don't want to over draft him. Right now FWIW, he is falling down the draft board. If he is likely to fall somewhere around 7-9, I would hope the Wizards could work out a deal to get a pick in that range to land him.


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If we take Kanter with our top pick, and can trade McGee to Det/Clev(LAC pick) then I would consider Perry at that pick. Follow that with Faried/T. Thompkins/Singleton with the ATL pick, David Lighty with our 2nd, and I am happy with that.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#1183 » by Dat2U » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:12 pm

Faried is raw offensively. He probably has to do a bit too much on the offensive end for Morehead State considering he's their most talented player by far. I've seen him hit the face up jumper from about 15 feet and he can clean up around the rim but he's a truly a difference maker defensively & and on the boards. As long as he knows his role, he's going to be an impactful NBA player. He's definitely better than Booker or Balkman.

I like Faried & Tristan Thompson more than I like a lot of prospects that are predicted to go ahead of them.
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Post#1184 » by dobrojim » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:15 pm

Faried has some intriguing qualities but I wonder if
taking him when we already have Booker would
be analogous to taking Irving when we already
have Wall. [edit after reading Dat's ^ You make
a solid argument but even with Booker's current
limitations, he's probaby more rounded than
Faried right now making playing time a dubious
proposition for Faried.]

I'm on the Kanter/Barnes bandwagon for the time being.
I reserve the right to change my mind :)

From what I've heard, I like Singleton with the lower ATL
pick (if he's even there), unless we take Barnes. Then
the fact that they play the same position would at least
bias me towards someone else, not a SF. Nolan Smith?
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#1185 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:29 pm

Dat2U wrote:Why is Tristan Thompson not being considered as a lottery pick?

I don't know. He belongs.

Earlier this season I read a lot about Perry Jones and saw him projected top-3. However, I've seen Thompson on him and now on Benson and I am convinced Thompson's better than either of them. He's got one weak spot-FTs. He's even worse at the line than Jordan Williams.
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Post#1186 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:32 pm

Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.
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Post#1187 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:34 pm

Thompson's impacting this game more than Derrick Williams or Jared Sullinger could, IMO.
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Post#1188 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:38 pm

What if the Wizards were so impressed by Jordan Crawford that they decided to draft Jordan Williams, Jordan Hamilton, and Jordan Taylor.

The team name could be changed to Jordanaires or extra-Jordanary!

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Post#1189 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:41 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.

I don't know if Rodman would be so successful in today's game. Today's game requires the PF to hit perimeter shots. Nobody can run an offense with two bigs that can't operate outside of 5 feet. At any rate, Rodman wouldn't work too well alongside a non-jump-shooting center like Mcgee and a non-jump-shooting PG like Wall.

The one thing Faried might allow you to do is to get away with putting a soft, jump-shooting center alongside him. Faried at PF alongside a guy like Krstic, Okur or Frye at C could work. Faried's 13-14 boards per game could help make up for the fact that the center is only going to pull down 6-7.
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Post#1190 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:41 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Halcyon wrote:Huge block by Faried to end the game.

It really was amazing. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... caab-wp665

He ran out at the shooter and somehow completely stopped his momentum on a dime and had the body control and timing to go straight up, avoid contact, and swat it away.

He didn't respect the laws of physics. :D

That play demonstrated why IMO Faried and Booker can coexist in the same frontcourt. Tremendous closeout on a three-point is what a SF is supposed to do. Faried can defend the perimeter and grab all the loose balls. Booker is a faster guy, and a little wider guy who can finish in transition and who also defends. Those two together approach the athleticism of the Hawks with Smith and Horford. Faried can rebound as well as Horford and he and Booker both block shots like Smith.

Playing in just transition basketball, they'd be very good together, but when you have to play half-court offense, you'd be at a big disadvantage - not only do neither of them stretch the defense; neither is a good low-post scoring threat. I'd have no problem with the Wiz picking Faried - he's a player; but if they do, I hope they trade Booker.
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Post#1191 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:42 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.

I don't know if Rodman would be so successful in today's game. Today's game requires the PF to hit perimeter shots. Nobody can run an offense with two bigs that can't operate outside of 5 feet. At any rate, Rodman wouldn't work too well alongside a non-jump-shooting center like Mcgee and a non-jump-shooting PG like Wall.

The one thing Faried might allow you to do is to get away with putting a soft, jump-shooting center alongside him. Faried at PF alongside a guy like Krstic, Okur or Frye at C could work. Faried's 13-14 boards per game could help make up for the fact that the center is only going to pull down 6-7.

Hmmm. Faried alongside Blatche could work.
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Post#1192 » by theboomking » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:42 pm

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That play demonstrated why IMO Faried and Booker can coexist in the same frontcourt. Tremendous closeout on a three-point is what a SF is supposed to do. Faried can defend the perimeter and grab all the loose balls. Booker is a faster guy, and a little wider guy who can finish in transition and who also defends. Those two together approach the athleticism of the Hawks with Smith and Horford. Faried can rebound as well as Horford and he and Booker both block shots like Smith.


I don't think Booker is faster than Faried. Faried looks exceedingly quick, fast and explosive vertically. I really think Faried is going to kill it at the combine. Booker times fast, but how many times has he been seen racing down the court, or scoring in transition? That just isn't his game. I also don't think there is any way Faried is a SF. He doesn't have the handle or the perimeter game. In order to have him guard the 3, you'd have to play him with a face up PF that could shoot from the outside and defend the 4. Someone like Lewis might do, but I wouldn't bet on finding just the right personnel mix to make that happen.

Dat2U wrote:Why is Tristan Thompson not being considered as a lottery pick?

I think he will wind up being considered. I agree that he has value as a late lotto pick.


dobrojim wrote:Faried has some intriguing qualities but I wonder if
taking him when we already have Booker would
be analogous to taking Irving when we already
have Wall. [edit after reading Dat's ^ You make
a solid argument but even with Booker's current
limitations, he's probaby more rounded than
Faried right now making playing time a dubious
proposition for Faried.]

I'm on the Kanter/Barnes bandwagon for the time being.
I reserve the right to change my mind :)

From what I've heard, I like Singleton with the lower ATL
pick (if he's even there), unless we take Barnes. Then
the fact that they play the same position would at least
bias me towards someone else, not a SF. Nolan Smith?


I think Faried is probably a better prospect than Booker was. He has good length, great athleticism, and a skill that will translate instantly on the NBA level, rebounding. I like Booker, but I don't think he should keep us from drafting Faried. Dumping Yi frees up a PF spot, and we should also be dumping Blatche.

I like the idea of a Singleton pick a lot. If I were in charge, I'd think about buying a pick in the middle of the first and drafting BPA with our own lotto pick, then Singleton and Faried with the other picks. Lets get some defense, physicality and hustle on this team. Faried, Singleton, Booker, and Wall all bring the right kind of hustle and energy. Add another franchis player and some shooters and we'd be in business.

Also, there are a lot of rooting interests on the NBA schedule tonight. Timberwolves v LAL @10:30, Sacremento v PHi at 10:00, and Wizards v Tor @ 7pm. If Toronto, Minnesota, and Sacremento win, we'd be 3 games ahead of Toronto, 2 games ahead of Minnesota, and 1 game ahead of Sacremento for the second slot in the lotto.
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Post#1193 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:45 pm

I can see the Faried/Booker comparison, but I think you guys are underrating Booker a bit. Booker is quicker on the perimeter than Faried. Don't forget, Booker's measureables ranked him as a superior athlete to John Wall. Booker is a physical freak.
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Post#1194 » by TGW » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:51 pm

I just don't see how we can draft Faried with Booker on board. I agree that he's a better prospect than Booker is, but I don't see how we can afford to use a draft pick on a duplicate talent. This team has so many holes, and I project Faried as a backup 4 on a great team, like Booker.

Anyway, I'm thinking Kanter with our lotto pick, Honeycutt with the ATL pick, Nolan Smith with our 2nd rounder. And round that out with McGee for Batum.

That would give you:

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Young/Crawford
Batum/Honeycutt
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Post#1195 » by dobrojim » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:57 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.


this may indeed be a time when you are absolutely correct. I've only
seen a minimal amount of Faried. I'm not opposed to us trying to
take him. We need guys who can board.
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Post#1196 » by dobrojim » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:58 pm

remember Booker was the fastest player at the combine last year.

Faried may be really fast, and still not as fast as Booker. IDK.
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Post#1197 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:02 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.

I don't know if Rodman would be so successful in today's game. Today's game requires the PF to hit perimeter shots. Nobody can run an offense with two bigs that can't operate outside of 5 feet. At any rate, Rodman wouldn't work too well alongside a non-jump-shooting center like Mcgee and a non-jump-shooting PG like Wall.

The one thing Faried might allow you to do is to get away with putting a soft, jump-shooting center alongside him. Faried at PF alongside a guy like Krstic, Okur or Frye at C could work. Faried's 13-14 boards per game could help make up for the fact that the center is only going to pull down 6-7.

Hmmm. Faried alongside Blatche could work.


Yes, nate. Faried in place of Rashard Lewis gives you better defense, four or five more rebounds, two or three more hustle plays, and a tough guy to balnce the finessed bigs.

A new coach could position McGee on offense like a high post C. Who cares if Javale misses when Faried is on the boards?
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Post#1198 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:03 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What if the Wizards were so impressed by Jordan Crawford that they decided to draft Jordan Williams, Jordan Hamilton, and Jordan Taylor.

The team name could be changed to Jordanaires or extra-Jordanary!

:)

Oh no you didn't! :lol:


Of course... they could trade for Jordan Farmar.
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Post#1200 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:09 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jim and Dat, how much offense did Rodman provide and how many rings does he have?

Faried is a monster, like Love, on the boards. He is a very good defender. That is enough to make him special.


Rodman played with with bigtime scorers like DRob and MJ so his lack of offense wasn't a big issue. The Wizards best scorer is Nick Young. Pretty big difference.

This team ranks 29th in offensive efficiency and 29th in TS%. They need people who can score. Adding another non-scorer to the roster doesn't make a lot of sense.
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