Trade Idea with the Celtics

[heitingas]

Hi, Celtics fan here.

This summer we send you J.Green,A.Bradley,JO+cash (to be bought out) and C's own 1st pick in 2012.
For..
C.Kaman, R.Foye and the Minnesota 1st pick, that will be unprotected in 2012 (if Minny keeps it this year). Of course if that pick is available I would do it, otherwise not.

[ejftw]

With Jeff Green being a free agent, the Clippers can just offer him a big deal and dare the Celtics to match it. On top of it, Bradley isn't worth anything to the Clippers with the guard rotation seemingly being set with Mo Will, Gordon, Foye & Bledsoe because he isn't any better over the aforementioned (granted, Foye is leaving in this situation, it's still a downgrade).

[heitingas]

We would do a sign and trade for Green, plus Deandre Jordan is also restricted and you would have to beat other teams offers for him, I think that will be your first priority.

[mj_shoefanatic]

Green can play 3-4 so he's worth a look if we can work a S&T not involving DJ and Bledsoe.

[MaceCase]

So he intends for the Celtics to have both the Clippers 2012 pick from the OKC trade and the Minny pick in exchange for theirs and Jeff Green? Sounds great.
To be serious though. Green is simply not worthy of that package and GMs should beware this offseason because both him and Wilson Chandler are MLE forwards that are going to get paid closer to 10 million based on hype and potential alone. I know this because they've not shown anything better or even close to Marvin Williams yet he is considered beyond underwhelming at his salary. Rather than getting into a bidding war for mediocre gforwards the Clippers could probably just trade Gomes, Foye and possibly a future 1st or 2nd for Marvin.
The Hawks would do it to break down and get out of Marvin's years due to the amount invested in Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Josh Smith and the ownership being cash strapped and trying to avoid luxury tax. Gomes would be an adequate reserve forward and Foye could help replace Jamal Crawford as sixth man.
LAC would do it because Marvin is a better defender and rebounder than both Green and Chandler and has stepped up in the past when he has been given the chance to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Not the long range shooter that they are due to his jumper being inconsistent the last couple of years but he is far superior than they are at getting to the free throw line and knocking them down. Virtually the exact same age as Green and Chandler as well.

[heitingas]

So he intends for the Celtics to have both the Clippers 2012 pick from the OKC trade and the Minny pick in exchange for theirs and Jeff Green? Sounds great.

The Clippers pick we have in 2012 is top 10 protected until 2015, It's been there since 2005 and it might not change next year.
We're taking on ton's of salary in Kaman and Foye (both expiring),Kaman has a trade kicker, and the Clippers get a TPE, our own first in 2012, Green and Bradley and that Minnesota pick isn't in anyway a guaranteed top 5 pick.

To be serious though. Green is simply not worthy of that package and GMs should beware this offseason because both him and Wilson Chandler are MLE forwards that are going to get paid closer to 10 million based on hype and potential alone. I know this because they've not shown anything better or even close to Marvin Williams yet he is considered beyond underwhelming at his salary. Rather than getting into a bidding war for mediocre gforwards the Clippers could probably just trade Gomes, Foye and possibly a future 1st or 2nd for Marvin.
The Hawks would do it to break down and get out of Marvin's years due to the amount invested in Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Josh Smith and the ownership being cash strapped and trying to avoid luxury tax. Gomes would be an adequate reserve forward and Foye could help replace Jamal Crawford as sixth man.
LAC would do it because Marvin is a better defender and rebounder than both Green and Chandler and has stepped up in the past when he has been given the chance to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Not the long range shooter that they are due to his jumper being inconsistent the last couple of years but he is far superior than they are at getting to the free throw line and knocking them down. Virtually the exact same age as Green and Chandler as well.

It's funny you say let's be serious, you're offer isn't better than ours in anyway, and you're wrong about how much Green will make,it's more likely he'll make the same or slightly less than marvin williams, and Green is better by far.

[MaceCase]

The Clippers pick we have in 2012 is top 10 protected until 2015, It's been there since 2005 and it might not change next year.
We're taking on ton's of salary in Kaman and Foye (both expiring),Kaman has a trade kicker, and the Clippers get a TPE, our own first in 2012, Green and Bradley and that Minnesota pick isn't in anyway a guaranteed top 5 pick.


It's funny you say let's be serious, you're offer isn't better than ours in anyway, and you're wrong about how much Green will make,it's more likely he'll make the same or slightly less than marvin williams, and Green is better by far.

1)The Celtics just received the Clippers pick in the Perkins-Green trade so I'm not sure how it's been there since 2005.
2) The Celtics are not taking on any amount of salary due to Boston's cap situation (if you're not aware they are way above it) the outgoing salaries have to match the incoming ones. They don't have the space to absorb Kaman's contract and under current contract rules they'd have to include way more filler with a sizable Green contract which may or may not be BYC and I'm not even sure if others can be added to him as part of a sign and trade.
3) Find me a metric where Green has been better than Marvin outside of taking more shots as a second then third option to Durant and Westbrook compared to Marvin as a 5th option. Keep in mind that in his contract year he's not even outperforming a down year by Marvin and has never displayed any aptitude to play SF in addition to being one of the worse rebounding PF's in the league.
4) Yea I do believe my deal is better because I'm trading them a better player for shorter contracts and not raping them of a former All Star center and lotto pick for next year's Travis Outlaw.

[heitingas]

1) check the history of this pick
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

2) i'm well aware of being over the cap and we can take in 125% of outgoing salaries plus $100000

3) the clippers have tried to unload Kaman for a while now so i'm not sure we are"raping" them since they are getting the best player in this trade.

[MaceCase]

1) check the history of this pick
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

2) i'm well aware of being over the cap and we can take in 125% of outgoing salaries plus $100000

3) the clippers have tried to unload Kaman for a while now so i'm not sure we are"raping" them since they are getting the best player in this trade.

1) Perhaps you should read your evidence as it proves my side of the argument, they got it from OKC as part of the Perkins deal which occurred in 2011 and not since 2005 like you claimed.
2) Kaman at 12.7mil (his trade kicker would push that cap hit to ~14mil) in 2011 + Foye at 4.25mil in 2011 does not equal JO at 6.2 + Bradley 1.52 and Green at 4.45mil* (Base Year Compensation as it exists in the current CBA). That package barely equals Kaman's salary under the 125% rule.
3) The Clippers have only claimed they'd make Kaman available for "the right SF" not a mediocre tweener. They are not desperate to give up a lotto pick just to get rid of an already expiring contract. That looks absurd just typing it out yet alone to think that someone actually believes that Green is better than a legit 7foot all star center on an expiring deal PLUS a lotto pick. This of course omits the fact that they could just sign Green outright and keep their valuable expiring and lotto pick.

Maybe you just don't know the dynamics of the NBA because it's clear you've been wrong on all counts.

[jgustav1]

Hi, Celtics fan here.

This summer we send you J.Green,A.Bradley,JO+cash (to be bought out) and C's own 1st pick in 2012.
For..
C.Kaman, R.Foye and the Minnesota 1st pick, that will be unprotected in 2012 (if Minny keeps it this year). Of course if that pick is available I would do it, otherwise not.

If you want the Minny pick from the Clippers, the Celtics would have to include Rajon Rondo in any package attempting to acquire it.

[Geaux_Hawks]

So he intends for the Celtics to have both the Clippers 2012 pick from the OKC trade and the Minny pick in exchange for theirs and Jeff Green? Sounds great.
To be serious though. Green is simply not worthy of that package and GMs should beware this offseason because both him and Wilson Chandler are MLE forwards that are going to get paid closer to 10 million based on hype and potential alone. I know this because they've not shown anything better or even close to Marvin Williams yet he is considered beyond underwhelming at his salary. Rather than getting into a bidding war for mediocre gforwards the Clippers could probably just trade Gomes, Foye and possibly a future 1st or 2nd for Marvin.
The Hawks would do it to break down and get out of Marvin's years due to the amount invested in Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Josh Smith and the ownership being cash strapped and trying to avoid luxury tax. Gomes would be an adequate reserve forward and Foye could help replace Jamal Crawford as sixth man.
LAC would do it because Marvin is a better defender and rebounder than both Green and Chandler and has stepped up in the past when he has been given the chance to be a 2nd or 3rd option. Not the long range shooter that they are due to his jumper being inconsistent the last couple of years but he is far superior than they are at getting to the free throw line and knocking them down. Virtually the exact same age as Green and Chandler as well.

Please tell me they would really consider that. I wanted Foye since he been playing college ball at Nova. Seems fair as well if we could get a top-10 protected first.