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Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs

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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#201 » by sweet daddy » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:31 am

ASIMO wrote:
Ligatsa wrote:Terry is even at his worst in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only series where he has do anything good is the Houston series. .


16.3ppg, 44.9FG% (3pt 38.1%) 2.1TO in his career

16.8ppg , 43.8FG% (3pt 37.2%) 1.9TO in 62 PO games in Dallas.


looks almost same... you just dont like his play...? :lol:


Playoff games:

'07/'08 - 15.8ppg, 43.3FG%, 4.8assts
'08/'09 - 14.3ppg, 38.9FG%, 1.9assts
'09/'10 - 12.7ppg, 37.7FG%, 2.0 assts
FT% went down all 3 years.

See a trend here? Happy with it? I'm glad he was good a few years ago. Thanks for the memories, JET. But this is now.

I've always been a JET fan. This isn't the JET of a few years ago.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#202 » by crucifixx » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:33 am

sweet daddy wrote:
ASIMO wrote:
Ligatsa wrote:Terry is even at his worst in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only series where he has do anything good is the Houston series. .


16.3ppg, 44.9FG% (3pt 38.1%) 2.1TO in his career

16.8ppg , 43.8FG% (3pt 37.2%) 1.9TO in 62 PO games in Dallas.


looks almost same... you just dont like his play...? :lol:


Playoff games:

'07/'08 - 15.8ppg, 43.3FG%, 4.8assts
'08/'09 - 14.3ppg, 38.9FG%, 1.9assts
'09/'10 - 12.7ppg, 37.7FG%, 2.0 assts
FT% went down all 3 years.

See a trend here? Happy with it? I'm glad he was good a few years ago. Thanks for the memories, JET. But this is now.

I've always been a JET fan. This isn't the JET of a few years ago.

Exactly. And JET takes A LOT of shots with those percentages.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#203 » by sweet daddy » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:35 am

Note to self: remain positive. It's more fun to be positive.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#204 » by dyukcs » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:39 am

Terry's playoff average is skewed by the finals run where he did well. We played more playoff games that year than we did in 5 years following it.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#205 » by ahonui06 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:07 am

DIRK then everyone else.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#206 » by sweet daddy » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:08 am

ahonui06 wrote:DIRK then everyone else.


Come on, be honest. You're really Cristal Taylor, aren't you?!

Just kidding, Holger.

Ha! Just kidding ... whoever you really are.

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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#207 » by ASIMO » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:43 pm

sweet daddy wrote:
ASIMO wrote:
Ligatsa wrote:Terry is even at his worst in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only series where he has do anything good is the Houston series. .


16.3ppg, 44.9FG% (3pt 38.1%) 2.1TO in his career

16.8ppg , 43.8FG% (3pt 37.2%) 1.9TO in 62 PO games in Dallas.


looks almost same... you just dont like his play...? :lol:


Playoff games:

'07/'08 - 15.8ppg, 43.3FG%, 4.8assts
'08/'09 - 14.3ppg, 38.9FG%, 1.9assts
'09/'10 - 12.7ppg, 37.7FG%, 2.0 assts
FT% went down all 3 years.

See a trend here? Happy with it? I'm glad he was good a few years ago. Thanks for the memories, JET. But this is now.

I've always been a JET fan. This isn't the JET of a few years ago.


interesting but lack of information.
can i ask you to write who was the HC and what is the big difference since 2008 for his play, weighting on at which position JET matched up.

He was a SG but mostly Harris guarded at SG, wasnt it? And JET shot over smaller guys, right? If you are a Dirks fan, you must know how important for shooter to shoot over smaller player, espacially in PO. Plus, JET was the 3-4option under the Avery but he is the 2nd option since 2008. Actually he is attempting 16FGA every season since then. (13FGA in Averys era) This is a problem too.

Please...

Show Data => Find the problem => Suggest your idea

Ill reply after that. :wink:
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#208 » by DDansby123 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:22 pm

HMFFL wrote:The entire roster is dysfunctional and has been for years. It's very difficult to blame one player when all of them have their flaws. Rick Carlisle deserves some of the blame as well, but so does the two clowns that provide him with the players, so Cuban & Nelson deserve most of it for the way our team is constructed.


Exactly, which is why I've always had a problem with labeling the Mavs as "chokers" or under-achievers. They're not. They just haven't been as good as the opponents who've beaten them. It's that simple. It really is the FO's fault primarily, but it's not easy to build a championship team around a non-traditional superstar who isn't committed to defense. He's just so difficult to complement that you almost have to find the perfect players to complement him, which is easier said than done.

Regardless, I think David Moore made a great point several years ago that bears repeating. He said it was difficult to take guys who don't live and breathe defense and get them to play it consistently. That's what we've tried doing with Dirk, Terry, et al, and it hasn't worked. It goes a long way towards explaining why (a) we play great defense early in the year (after training camp) and then slowly regress as the season moves on, (b) we have difficulty holding leads (and therefore play a lot of close games), and (c) we seem to underperform in the playoffs. I still don't think our superstar buys into the notion that solid, consistent defense will help win championships.


Given all that, I still think these recent losses are the best things that could've happened to this team. They need a wakeup call before the playoffs start.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#209 » by dyukcs » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:49 pm

DDansby123 wrote:It goes a long way towards explaining why (a) we play great defense early in the year (after training camp) and then slowly regress as the season moves on



http://www.flickr.com/photos/59079904@N06/5533418942

The defense didn't slowly regress, the red line is when Butler went out.

Here's the full article.
http://www.thetwomangame.com/2011/03/the-lions-mane/

Imo we gave up playing defense with our decision to just roll with Peja as Butler's replacement. This season could have been different.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#210 » by mavsfoty » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:51 pm

This game reminded me of the final game in last year's playoff series.

Fell behind early. Got things going. Tied the game. Fell apart. Late baskets make the score respectable.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#211 » by ahonui06 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:11 pm

mavsfoty wrote:This game reminded me of the final game in last year's playoff series.

Fell behind early. Got things going. Tied the game. Fell apart. Late baskets make the score respectable.


Didn't help that RC took out DIRK for Cardinal when the game finally got tied with about 3 minutes left in the third quarter.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#212 » by dyukcs » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:26 pm

ahonui06 wrote:
mavsfoty wrote:This game reminded me of the final game in last year's playoff series.

Fell behind early. Got things going. Tied the game. Fell apart. Late baskets make the score respectable.


Didn't help that RC took out DIRK for Cardinal when the game finally got tied with about 3 minutes left in the third quarter.

Dirk can't play 48 minutes..
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#213 » by Deus » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:06 pm

When Tyson got into early foul trouble, Tony and Manu could do what they wanted. Pops plan all along and it worked. Same happened in the Blazer game. Tyson can't do that, or we're foooked.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#214 » by ahonui06 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:10 pm

dyukcs wrote:
ahonui06 wrote:
mavsfoty wrote:This game reminded me of the final game in last year's playoff series.

Fell behind early. Got things going. Tied the game. Fell apart. Late baskets make the score respectable.


Didn't help that RC took out DIRK for Cardinal when the game finally got tied with about 3 minutes left in the third quarter.

Dirk can't play 48 minutes..


He wouldn't have played 48 minutes. He had a rest in the 1st quarter, so it would've been about 42-43 minutes.
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Re: Game 69 March 18, 2011: Mavs Vs Spurs 

Post#215 » by DDansby123 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:35 am

dyukcs wrote:The defense didn't slowly regress, the red line is when Butler went out.


There's a pretty clear trend-line there, though. I'm just watching the games and realizing that the same intensity isn't there, even from guys who were here all season. You can't tell me Chandler's playing as well now as he was early on, and Dirk's defense comes and goes far more of late than it did early. Butler is definitely missed, there's no question. But his absence doesn't really explain why other guys aren't doing their jobs as well (or, if it does, we must have the wrong guys on this team).

I'd also like to see what that same analysis looks like in past seasons.

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