Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

Silk Wilkes · Post #761 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:05 pm

Kemba is either a beast or a tease and that creates the burning question. He truly epitomizes what most of the NBA draft is and I'm confused as hell about him. On one hand I think he can be an Allen Iverson and on the other hand I think of Nate Robinson.

toka · Post #762 » by **toka** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:07 pm

I don't know how Kemba Walker is a shoot first point guard with his 2.1 A/T ratio but somehow Brandon Knight is considered a legit PG prospect even though his A/T ratio is 1.35.

UConn started for most of the season with Walker, 2 Freshmen and 2 Sophomores, add an offense-less Sr. Center and another freshman PG and you've completed their rotation (2 other freshmen take up fringe minutes). And none of the freshmen were 5 star prospects with the highest rated being Roscoe Smith at ~#40. At 5'11-6'0 Kemba averages 5.5 boards a game. At 6'3 Knight averages just under 4 boards. Just goes to show how much UConn depends on him to be a do it all guy.

Walker scores because he has to. The team would be completely lost without him.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #763 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:07 pm

Hey, I'll admit that I thought Jonny Flynn was going to be good in the NBA lol. Maybe, I'm just a sucker for guys who are small, and play with heart. I don't know.

toka · Post #764 » by **toka** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:12 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:You are absolutely wrong on Brandon Knight. Anyone looking for analysis on him do not read the post above.

And I give props to those of you who are starting to wade through the needless hyping of Kyrie Irving while beginning to see there are other worthy prospects at the point guard position. By draft day, Knight will be a lock for the top 10 and possibly top 5 depending how his combine numbers rate out.

But as of today, we know he has height + explosiveness + length advantage over Irving. Leadership ability should also be in his favor, but due to the massive hype campaign being paraded by multiple team fanbases, you're better off not bringing that up. Those people don't care Brandon has risen to the position of unquestioned leader of a team with a 6-man rotation that includes no senior and one junior.

When it comes to the Irving hype train, facts just get in the way.

Well considering I didn't say **** about Irving I'd venture to say you didn't actually read my post other than that I'm not too hot on your love child Brandon Knight. I'd say anyone looking for an analysis of Knight or any other PG should ignore all your posts.

MrBojangelz71 · Post #765 » by **MrBojangelz71** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:16 pm

Youngblood wrote:Kemba is either a beast or a tease and that creates the burning question. He truly epitomizes what most of the NBA draft is and I'm confused as hell about him. On one hand I think he can be an Allen Iverson and on the other hand I think of Nate Robinson.

Funny you state the Nate comparison. If I told you that you could have Nate, with all his capabilities, minus his suspect character, would you be interested? Nate should be a starting guard in this league but his downfall has always been between his ears. Talent wise, Nate is like no other.

Kemba from all accounts is a stand up kid with a solid head on his shoulders. He is a team guy that puts all his energy into his on court performance. So in comparing him to Nate, he has all the good qualities Nate has and minus the head crap Nate brings with him.

With that said, I am still not completely sold on using a 5th pick on him. 10th pick is a no brainer, but 5th could hurt if he doesn't pan out. I am in complete agreement with us trying to net a second 1st round pick in the 8th to 10 range to see if we can net Kemba. If he pans out he could be a very good guard in this league.

My dream draft has us netting Barnes and Kemba, that's of course if we don't get KI

Basketball_Jones · Post #766 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:17 pm

Kemba will not be Iverson. that guy was a very, very rare athlete with crazy talent. He can have an impact though. Ty Lawson can do it, I think Kemba can at the next level as well.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #767 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:23 pm

Enes Kanter might not play in the NIke Hoop Summit, because he's a bit nervous that his perceived stock might drop.

Kevin Willis · Post #768 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:25 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
crosswalkryan wrote:
Is that a joke?
More like Kobe, Garnett, Hakeem

You're proving my point. They were past first PGs who didn't really score. They differed to Kobe/Garnett/Hakeem.

Perhaps you missed the word "led" in the "led his team to a championship". That's like saying Ron Harper led the Bulls to all those championships.

Yeah I did. My apologies, that word changed the entire context.

Post #769 » by **5DOM** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:44 pm

Youngblood wrote:
5DOM wrote:I'd be happy if we can get a Tony Parker level player tbh.

Tony Parker is really good though. You think Kemba can be as good or better than Tony?

Probably not. That's why I said I'd be happy if he could reach that level. It's also much lower than Iverson or Hardaway's level.

Dr Positivity · Post #770 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:48 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Kemba will not be Iverson. that guy was a very, very rare athlete with crazy talent. He can have an impact though. Ty Lawson can do it, I think Kemba can at the next level as well.

Lawson and Kemba are so different. Lawson is an amazing shooter and has a fantastic read and decision making head for the game. Kemba lacks his PG instincts or lock down shooting

SDM · Post #771 » by **SDM** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:49 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Enes Kanter might not play in the NIke Hoop Summit, because he's a bit nervous that his perceived stock might drop.

It will. I'll be stunned if measurements come out and he's listed as anything taller than 6'8" without shoes.

Dr Positivity · Post #772 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:50 pm

I think we're going to see Knight work his way into the top 6 conversation and into the conversation for our pick

Methinks BC wants to keep the SG and PF positions as they are and add a young PG, SF or C. Knight would fit.

Post #773 » by **Alfred** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Enes Kanter might not play in the NIke Hoop Summit, because he's a bit nervous that his perceived stock might drop.

Wow, he's getting a lot of bad advice. I think scouts want to see more, not less.

dagger · Post #774 » by **dagger** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:55 pm

SDM wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Enes Kanter might not play in the NIke Hoop Summit, because he's a bit nervous that his perceived stock might drop.

It will. I'll be stunned if measurements come out and he's listed as anything taller than 6'8" without shoes.

That could be, but more likely he's going to be surprising on the upside, not downside. Otherwise, he'd likely be more eager to compete against weak comp like the Nike Summit to show he's better than his height. If he's 6'8" and not competing, he'll fall out of the lottery and maybe out of the top 20. But if he's 6'10" or more and not competing, it's a different attraction altogether.

Most film on Kanter is a year old, or more. He's 18, and may still be growing. If he's grown to his claimed height and weight (6'11", 270), he's indeed better off not competing.

Silk Wilkes · Post #775 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:01 pm

dagger wrote:
SDM wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Enes Kanter might not play in the NIke Hoop Summit, because he's a bit nervous that his perceived stock might drop.

It will. I'll be stunned if measurements come out and he's listed as anything taller than 6'8" without shoes.

That could be, but more likely he's going to be surprising on the upside, not downside. Otherwise, he'd likely be more eager to compete against weak comp like the Nike Summit to show he's better than his height. If he's 6'8" and not competing, he'll fall out of the lottery and maybe out of the top 20. But if he's 6'10" or more and not competing, it's a different attraction altogether.

Most film on Kanter is a year old, or more. He's 18, and may still be growing. If he's grown to his claimed height and weight (6'11", 270), he's indeed better off not competing.

If he's actually 6'11 270 hes a Centre through and through.

JamesNaismith · Post #776 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:13 pm

I'll take Jimmer before Kemba.

Post #777 » by **Alfred** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:13 pm

Does anyone watch the Jimmer highlights and think to themselves "Gil"? Those uber long shots off the dribble just remind me of Gilbert so much.

Kevin Willis · Post #778 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:18 pm

Alfred wrote:Does anyone watch the Jimmer highlights and think to themselves "Gil"? Those uber long shots off the dribble just remind me of Gilbert so much.

Actually - that's a good comparison I've never heard before. I don't know if that's good or bad, don't know if he has that ego Gilbert had but if the swaggar is there he can do some things at the next level. Gilbert in his prime would be a great player. Don't know if Gilbert would fit in our team though.

Silk Wilkes · Post #779 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:24 pm

Alfred wrote:Does anyone watch the Jimmer highlights and think to themselves "Gil"? Those uber long shots off the dribble just remind me of Gilbert so much.

I have thought about that before but I'm not sure. I thought for a while about it, but there has to be something that separates them.

God Squad · Post #780 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:27 pm

MrBojangelz71 wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Kemba is either a beast or a tease and that creates the burning question. He truly epitomizes what most of the NBA draft is and I'm confused as hell about him. On one hand I think he can be an Allen Iverson and on the other hand I think of Nate Robinson.

Funny you state the Nate comparison. If I told you that you could have Nate, with all his capabilities, minus his suspect character, would you be interested? Nate should be a starting guard in this league but his downfall has always been between his ears. Talent wise, Nate is like no other.

Kemba from all accounts is a stand up kid with a solid head on his shoulders. He is a team guy that puts all his energy into his on court performance. So in comparing him to Nate, he has all the good qualities Nate has and minus the head crap Nate brings with him.

With that said, I am still not completely sold on using a 5th pick on him. 10th pick is a no brainer, but 5th could hurt if he doesn't pan out. I am in complete agreement with us trying to net a second 1st round pick in the 8th to 10 range to see if we can net Kemba. If he pans out he could be a very good guard in this league.

My dream draft has us netting Barnes and Kemba, that's of course if we don't get KI

I think your giving Nate Robinson way to much credit. Not only is he a knuckle head. He in my opinion is a tweener. He is not a pg. Although he has some pg skills. I'd pass of nate in a heart beat. Wouldn't even think about it.