Jimmer Fredette & Kemba Walker (draft position)

[ThreeYearPlan]

You can see he's tired, he's resorted to taking 28+ footers. Got to take it to the rim Jimmer.

He's done that this whole year. Jimmer has had a horrible end of season and a terrible NCAA tournament, I'm surprised his draft stock isn't falling out of the lottery and into early 20's.

[carrottop12]

If you watched the last 8 minutes or so of the BYU Game, you saw exactly what the fears are of drafting Jimmer high in the first round.

As soon as he got tired and the defenders were stronger and faster than he was (which will be most nights in the NBA) he couldn't do anything other than take extremely long 3's. His ball handling was terrible, he traveled on an up and down where he couldn't get his shot off in the lane, threw the ball away, almost lost it another time on the dribble which forced a tie up, and went about 0-7 and stopped trying to get good shots.

[carrottop12]

Jimmer has had a horrible end of season and a terrible NCAA tournament.

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I thought he had a pretty good first weekend. Shot the ball well, dominated Gonzaga, averaged 30+.

The game he had tonight did resemble many of his games towards the end of the seasons where he resorted to chucking and couldn't shoot over 45% for a game, but i thought he played pretty well in games 1 and 2.

[mattg]

BYU was just overmatched without Davies. Fredette tried to do too much but what did you expect? If he kept up his level of play from the first weekend BYU would have been a threat to win the title.

[UGA Hayes]

The game really didn't tell me much. My gut tells me he won't make it, but his teammates are so unspeakably horrible that I can't really translate what going on the court that well. Nobody in the pros gets guarded the way Jimmer was being guarded. Also damn does Len Elmore hate BYU or what. Also props to Gus Johnson for being the first announcer to ask whether in the waning seconds of a tie game whether the defense should foul. He should send Bill simmons roses every day for pumping up his horrific announcing.

[Sinant]

Kemba continues to come up huge tho.

He had a stretch where he scored 14 straight.

Elite 8 now after winning 5 in 5 nights for the Big East tourney.

Great kid.

[teamjosh04]

Kemba and Lamb had 36 of UCONN's 38 2nd half points.

[Grits n Gravy]

jimmers teammates were absolutely awful, jimmer forced but only cause he had to imo

[Point-God]

If Kemba Walker succeeds as an NBA player his game will look similar to point guards like Terrell Brandon and Jameer Nelson. I formerly thought that he was another Bobby Jackson (if he succeeds at all) but he's a more talented passer and shooter.

Here's my Jimmer Fredette NBA comparison list:

1. Matt Maloney
2. Gilbert Arenas at any point in his career after the injuries
3. Juan Carlos Navarro
4. Sarunas Jasikevicius

[The Mentor]

Jimmer at #10 is the new white Allen
Walker at @8 is the new "old style Arenas"

[UGA Hayes]

ooh, that Sarunas comparison is very interesting, never thought about it.

[Cammo101]

If you watched the last 8 minutes or so of the BYU Game, you saw exactly what the fears are of drafting Jimmer high in the first round.

As soon as he got tired and the defenders were stronger and faster than he was (which will be most nights in the NBA) he couldn't do anything other than take extremely long 3's. His ball handling was terrible, he traveled on an up and down where he couldn't get his shot off in the lane, threw the ball away, almost lost it another time on the dribble which forced a tie up, and went about 0-7 and stopped trying to get good shots.

Jimmer is being forced to play 1 on 5 because of the inferior talent he is playing with. He will not be forced to do everything on every posession in the NBA so this really should not be an issue. He was having waves of guys thrown at him last night by UF and none of his teammates gave him any help. In the NBA he will be allowed to play more to his strengths and away from some of his weaknesses.

[Cammo101]

The Jimmer comparison is Mark Price.

[wilt]

Fredette ran into the same sort of trouble that Steph Curry ran into towards the end of the season and against the best oposition, at some point you simply do get tired if you have to carry such a heavy load all the time.
Florida resolved their entire game plan around stopping him, if in that situation no one steps up than there´s only so much you can do.

I have no problem seeing him be at least a very potent 6th man down the road ala Jamal Crawford or Jason Terry, no shame in that really.

[TheDoctor]

Does anyone see Kemba actually being an Allen Iverson type player... but with a lot more team leader attitude, and a lot less jackass?

[richboy]

Does anyone see Kemba actually being an Allen Iverson type player... but with a lot more team leader attitude, and a lot less jackass?

A lot less talent.

Kemba to me looks like Ben Gordon with ball handling.

I think Jimmer teammates are horrible because there is no way to get any kind of rhythm playing with him. You don't know where your shots are going to come from. Jimmer does not utilize the defensive attention he receives to get them open looks. They aren't great players but when the entire team is focused on you at least set someone else up for a open shot.

My thoughts about Jimmer is he struggled to break people down when facing better defenders. Which resorted to horrible shots. He might be able to do some stuff at the NBA level but he is going to have to change his game drastically. Right now he is Gilbert Arenas and not the healthy guy scoring 28 a night.

I have a feeling Jimmer is going to go to a team and instantly take the most shots per minute on the team. I don't think he knows how to truly effect a game outside of shooting.

[Point-God]

When I look at the one man show the two guys headlining this thread put on this season I think of Charles Jones from Long Island University. He lead the NCAA in scoring two consecutive years. His stats are at the link below. He had the same game as Arenas and Steve Francis, he just was around a year or two early before the scoring PG really began to get momentum. He would be given a greater shot at the NBA had he been a rookie today.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player ... /1997-1998

He was the first version of the big time scorer at small school (Steph Curry) that I witnessed

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XnPrFISMA[/youtube]

[GuitarMan]

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I think Jimmer teammates are horrible because there is no way to get any kind of rhythm playing with him. You don't know where your shots are going to come from. Jimmer does not utilize the defensive attention he receives to get them open looks. They aren't great players but when the entire team is focused on you at least set someone else up for a open shot.

My thoughts about Jimmer is he struggled to break people down when facing better defenders. Which resorted to horrible shots. He might be able to do some stuff at the NBA level but he is going to have to change his game drastically. Right now he is Gilbert Arenas and not the healthy guy scoring 28 a night.

I have a feeling Jimmer is going to go to a team and instantly take the most shots per minute on the team. I don't think he knows how to truly effect a game outside of shooting.

That last Florida game was an outlier in many respects. It's the first time all season that BYU failed to have at least two people in double digits. Many nights, they'd have 3 or 4 players in double digits. BYU usually scores in the 80s, so you know it's not all Jimmer. Jimmer's had a number of high assist nights. He's a much better playmaker and passer than most give him credit for. Also, this is not the first time Jimmer has faced Florida or other big conference teams, but it is the worst performance he had against such competition. He had an off night - it happens. Seemed like he was pressing way too much, not playing his usual smart game (although he is good for a couple of head-scratchers each game, but not too many really for a guy carrying that kind of load). If you look at previous games against Florida (dropped 37 on them in last year's tourney in a double-OT win), or against Arizona (49 points last year, 30+ this year, both big wins), all on terrific shooting percentages, its clear that it's not as simple as Jimmer not being able to get it done against good teams or good defenders. He's seen the best of every team's defensive efforts and tactics game-in and game-out, and found a way to carry his team to 32 wins this year.

It will be very interesting to see where he's drafted and how that team will try to use him. I could see a range of outcomes, from sharp-shooting role player to starting PG for a good team. Time will tell.

[Big Shamrock]

Kemba leads UConn to victory again. BYU knocked out last round.