Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011

FAH1223 · Post #1381 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:33 am

hands11 wrote:He is way more athletic then Twan

I'm gonna say Beasley then

tontoz · Post #1382 » by **tontoz** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:42 am

FAH1223 wrote:
hands11 wrote:He is way more athletic then Twan

I'm gonna say Beasley then

A lot of Beasley's problem is mental. As far as I can tell Williams doesn't have that problem. Better shot selection would make a big difference with Beasley.

Beasley takes a lot of long 2s. I haven't seen Williams take any. He either shoots a 3 or attacks the basket.

manifested · Post #1383 » by **manifested** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:43 am

But Williams isn't so athletic that he'll have an athletic advantage in the pros. He's fast and pretty quick, but doesn't seem to have the type of vertical athleticism to compensate for his lack of ideal height.

He had a short stretch of some early trouble where he was clearly bothered by the length of the Plumlee brothers. He's been spending more time on the perimeter as the first half has gone on and that's been really impressive.

5 threes in the first half plus some twisting, quick release finishes. Impressed with the versatility of his offensive game. But yeah, that screams "more athletic" Jamison.

kirubel94 · Post #1384 » by **kirubel94** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:46 am

Tonight hes showing he's perimeter game(at the half). i expect him to play more post in the second. but im very impressed with his jumper and speed , and athleticism , I hope we draft this guy.(like ive been saying all year.)

In my mind i would compare him to a David west(more athletic and kind of carmeloish)

FAH1223 · Post #1385 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:49 am

hes just a more athletic Jamison.... and he isn't a true 3 or a 4...and his defense sucks (though i think it'll get better) but....we need a REAL 3 or a REAL 4/5

Dark Faze · Post #1386 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:50 am

Williams' vertical isn't a problem and I think his defense will be just fine at the next level.

He's stronger and has a better base than Jamison, and is FAR better as a face up PF.

Jamison takes 3's and wasn't a face up player...more of a post up and flip up a shot and hustle a lot. Fine player but Williams is stronger and more versatile.

And Beasleys size and physical attributes aren't his problem...he's got bad IQ, work ethic, and treats the job more like playground fun than a profession.

Williams is clearly the best talent available in this draft other than Irving and has all-star potential. He'll flourish next to Wall and would be perfect in the transition type of game that this team is likely to build towards.

hands11 · Post #1387 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:52 am

tontoz wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
hands11 wrote:He is way more athletic then Twan

I'm gonna say Beasley then

A lot of Beasley's problem is mental. As far as I can tell Williams doesn't have that problem. Better shot selection would make a big difference with Beasley.

Beasley takes a lot of long 2s. I haven't seen Williams take any. He either shoots a 3 or attacks the basket.

He defiantly put a body on players and boxes out.

closg00 · Post #1388 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:04 am

Dark Faze wrote:Williams' vertical isn't a problem and I think his defense will be just fine at the next level.

He's stronger and has a better base than Jamison, and is FAR better as a face up PF.

Jamison takes 3's and wasn't a face up player...more of a post up and flip up a shot and hustle a lot. Fine player but Williams is stronger and more versatile.

And Beasleys size and physical attributes aren't his problem...he's got bad IQ, work ethic, and treats the job more like playground fun than a profession.

Williams is clearly the best talent available in this draft other than Irving and has all-star potential. He'll flourish next to Wall and would be perfect in the transition type of game that this team is likely to build towards.

Strong and versatile is exactly what I was thinking while watching Williams, 1st-time seeing him play.

manifested · Post #1389 » by **manifested** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:13 am

As an aside, being a better ball-handling, stronger, more athletic version of Jamison isn't necessarily a bad thing. If he's able to bring Jamison's scoring versatility and use that extra bit of athleticism to better hold his own on the defensive end (he certainly seems to hustle more on that end than most college stars and has had some nice help-side blocks in this tournament), then he'd be a pretty great pick and roll/pop complement to Wall.

I just wouldn't look at him as a throw the ball in the post and go to work type of PF. Being a bit of a tweener on offense is fine as long as he can successfully play man defense on someone on the other end.

WizarDynasty · Post #1390 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:18 am

He is a sixth man player on a championship team. He can help you win a championship because he is immediate offense, but the entire team has to have above average defensive players at the other 4 starting positions if he is to be your starter.

hands11 · Post #1391 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:23 am

Anyone have to arc of his legs ?

tontoz · Post #1392 » by **tontoz** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:27 am

hands11 wrote:Anyone have to arc of his legs ?

???

Dark Faze · Post #1393 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:27 am

I mean how many post PF's are there in the entire league right now...its nice to want things...

Dat2U · Post #1394 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:40 am

WHOA! I don't know if Williams and Arizona are THIS good or Duke's frontline is THIS bad. All I know is I'm beginning to look at Williams in a different light and whatever I thought of Kyle Singler & Mason Plumlee's NBA potential has gone down the crapper.

Dat2U · Post #1395 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:45 am

I'm thinking Williams can play SF. He's an over-sized SF. He's got the shooting ability, range and enough handle to create off the bounce. His first step seems sufficient enough to utilize his ballhandling ability. At SF, you don't have to worry about him defending bigger 4s and he seems to have trouble with length down low at times, but he's got the perimeter game to play the 3.

You can't compete for a title with a suspect to mediocre defender at the PF, but you can get away with it at SF,

BTW, that Momo Jones kid is quick as all get out.

hands11 · Post #1396 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:48 am

manifested wrote:As an aside, being a better ball-handling, stronger, more athletic version of Jamison isn't necessarily a bad thing. If he's able to bring Jamison's scoring versatility and use that extra bit of athleticism to better hold his own on the defensive end (he certainly seems to hustle more on that end than most college stars and has had some nice help-side blocks in this tournament), then he'd be a pretty great pick and roll/pop complement to Wall.

I just wouldn't look at him as a throw the ball in the post and go to work type of PF. Being a bit of a tweener on offense is fine as long as he can successfully play man defense on someone on the other end.

So since AJ was a tweaner who could have played more at the 3 if he was more athletic, can Williams play the 3 like a Melo or LJ ?

Wilson Chandler ?

WizarDynasty · Post #1397 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:49 am

Duke is heavily over rated. Arizona shouldn't even be here they actually lost that game and got the ball back because of five second violation when they were down in the final minute oft their last game. Williams is gilbert arenas at p/f spot. Over powers s/f and is to quick and explosive for p/fs. But on defense he is completely exposed for not having a position so you have to hide him. Williams team is helping him big time and Duke has absolutely no consistency in the post from their bigmen, Kryie is really small and doesn't have enough finishers around him to take advantage of his ability to break down a defense with the smart pass and duke seems to have no real chemistry with him and i think kyrie is just there to make sure he gets drafted in to 3 spots.

Only way duke has a chance now is if the refs pull the old acc card where they create bogus foul calls from "higher NCAA up's" due to revenue sharing.

Dat2U · Post #1398 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:53 am

Beasley's perimeter game wasn't as polished as Williams. Beasley was a low post monster in college and had to step out on the perimeter once he got to the NBA because of size limitations.

Really, there are a lot of parallels regarding Beasley & Jamison. Jamison was a monster in the post at UNC. A really great finisher down low, was like a friggin pogo stick in college with his quick jumping ability. Once he got to the NBA, he had to develop his game away from the basket to succeed and struggled for a while as he transitioned to SF.

Williams already has a developed game away from the basket. That will help him make a quick adjustment once he gets to the NBA.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1399 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:54 am

He reminds me of Caron. He looks to me like a 3.

Gotta say I'm impressed. This could be our pick.

hands11 · Post #1400 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:58 am

Wall/Crawford
Nick/Draft pick/Martin
Williams/Lewis
Booker/McGee
Dray/Seraphin/Hamady

Plus another pick ?

With those players, there are lots of way to line them up. McGee and Dray are PF or C
Lewis and Booker at SF or PF

If Dray and McGee are ever going to focus and grow up, I like there chances with that team.

It would be tweaked. Maybe we bring a vet in somewhere but even like that for a year, I would do it. Specially if it is a partial year and we get another decent first to add next year. That could be a straight up role player pick.

You need a stud at SF. Williams could fit the bill.

In a few years you will know what you have in McGee. Dray can stay or go depending on the summer he puts in. I like it.