New Hawks Off-Season Plan...

[Ruhiel]

I think this may be a way out of this mess and a win-win for both teams

Dallas - Brendon Haywood & Jason Terry For Joe Johnson

Jason only has 1 year remainding and Brendon has 4 at around 8mil per year

IDK he's not very mobile on defense, I strongly suspect most power forwards ala Boozer and Gibson or Brandon Bass or Gasol would be able to get away with guarding Haywood. Leaving lengthy centers to guard Horford.

Can Haywood punish switches? I doubt he could suddenly become automatic scorer on switch outs.
His only use would be as a double cross screener for Marvin or Josh or Terry down low or high post.

He isn't very versatile, rather have Dalembert come in and the owners put the onus on others to score and lead this team.

If you bring in Dallas' backup center players wouldn't say "this is the final piece". And Terry with Teague/Hinrich is a terribly small backcourt.

Ix-Nay on this trade

[Geaux_Hawks]

I don't want one more "looser", that's why I would not bet anything on Ellis.

I will be a bit radical, but Crawford is enough. The guy saved us on some games, but that's all. He did not make us better than when we had Murray instead of him.
And now, we are talking about adding Ellis.

He's a personal stats machine this year, but they loose with him on the floor more than with any other players.
I am really tired of athletic and flashy players if it makes us worst. If they play for personal stats and contract, but not for winning and makes the team better, I don't want them.

GS only have a strong back court. You expect to win games and make playoffs with just a Great Offensively back court that is undersized?? The Hawks don't need the traditonal PG, and Ellis is one of the best distributors in the league outside of Lebron and PG's. Imagine if he can be our starting PG and giving us 7 APG and 20+ PPG. Hawks could still use a 20 PPG guy regardless.

[BAMABIRD]

Ellis is a beast.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Ellis/Teague, Hinrich(split time)
JJ/Mayo, Hinrich(Split Time)
McGrady/Chase Budinger/Wilkens
Horford/McRoberts, Hill(Split Time)
Marc Gasol/Armstrong/Keith Benson

Marvin Williams, Zaza, 2nd for Budinger & Jordan Hill
Josh to Indy for Ellis
Sign Josh McRoberts, TMac


Probably won't be the defensive team we used to be, but I don't think we give up to many points with this revamp.

[D21]

He leads the league in minutes on a bad team...His +/- should be bad..
Monta's much much better than Crawful or Flip.

GS only have a strong back court. You expect to win games and make playoffs with just a Great Offensively back court that is undersized?? The Hawks don't need the traditonal PG, and Ellis is one of the best distributors in the league outside of Lebron and PG's. Imagine if he can be our starting PG and giving us 7 APG and 20+ PPG. Hawks could still use a 20 PPG guy regardless.

I said it was coming from a radical POV.
I also want to say that you can't use "he plays on a bad team, and a lot, so his +/- ..." as truth.
Why should "GSW is a bad team so Ellis has bad +/-" be right, and "Ellis has bad +/-, and as he play a lot, GSW is a bad team" should be wrong ?

Now I know that Ellis is good, and we saw it some seasons ago, but I am not sure at all he's making a big impact on the game, at least not like lots of people seems to think.

Maybe not trading at all for Ellis is too much radical, but I would not trade for him until I see him having a bit more impact.

[xRapHeadx]

No bench, no front court, no big guard to defend 2s....situation is very important when evaluating players.

[Geaux_Hawks]

No bench, no front court, no big guard to defend 2s....situation is very important when evaluating players.

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