Start a big three in the "A"

myrak433 · Post #1 » by **myrak433** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:27 am

Hell we can start our on big three with micheal Redd( I am hearing he is healthy) only if he is healthy and T-Mac to add with JJ. then we could get Someone like Nazr Mohammed, Dalembert, Przybilla to hold down the center spot. Maybe even Tyson Chandler would won't to get in on the next team to sign some stars in their last few playing years like boston did it. All the players are unrestricted and can go where ever they want to go.

T-mac/ Teague
Redd/Kirk
JJ/Wilkens
Horford/Josh Smith
Tyson Chandler / Przybilla

Josh and Hoford spilt time at the four 50/50 with Smith playing about 5 minutes at the 3 and Horford 5 minutes at the 5.

azuresou1 · Post #2 » by **azuresou1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:06 am

Where are we getting the money to sign Chandler, where does Marvin disappear to, and why the hell would be want an old ass T-Mac and Michael Redd?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #3 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:14 am

Yeah you puzzled me on how we sign chandler and no way is T Mac my starting PG and Redd SG.If anything I would go Smith at 3,JJ at 2, and Teague or Kirk @ PG with T Mac backing up the 2 and 3 & Redd at the 2. I bet Redd can still shoot and T Mac isn't bad this year with 24 MPG and playing some Point.

MaceCase · Post #4 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:46 am

azuresou1 wrote:Where are we getting the money to sign Chandler, where does Marvin disappear to, and why the hell would be want an old ass T-Mac and Michael Redd?

Allow me to direct your attention towards my time machine, first stop, 2003!

myrak433 · Post #5 » by **myrak433** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:55 am

Ray Allen was 31 when he went to boston and KG was 30. T mac is 31 and Redd is 31. Is TMac the player he was 3 years ago not sure Tmac is the type of player that needs to be motivated to play, but he is better right now than Kirk, Teague, Marvin will ever be. Redd ,if healthy, can score on anybody anytime he wants to, he can't be stopped. with those two JJ would be free to do his thang. and Chandler would take a pay cut to play with the Hawks or maybe not. then just go after Kaman or Dalembert. and Marvin is on the bench you can add him to the line up if you would like. I didn't because he isn't important it is all about Redd, JJ, and Tmac

MaceCase · Post #6 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:10 am

myrak433 wrote:Ray Allen was 31 when he went to boston and KG was 30. T mac is 31 and Redd is 31.

I must have missed out on the part where both Ray and KG had multiple reconstructive knee surgeries by the age of 31.
These were/are their stats (pts rebounds and assists) for their respective teams pre trade/FA
Ray 31
26 4 and 4
KG 30
22 13 and 4
TMac 31
8 4 and 4
Redd 30
12 3 and 2

You are reaching because you think that they somehow can defy both age and injury history to return to any semblance of what they were. Look at Gilbert Arenas, he just turned 29. Whats holding him from his superstar form?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #7 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:25 am

I think McGrady can be a decent guy still playing multiple positions. Not great like he used to be. Redd needs a year where he gets about 25 MPG to see where he stands. He may garner attention from a contender if he can still stroke.

myrak433 · Post #8 » by **myrak433** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:28 am

MaceCase wrote:
myrak433 wrote:Ray Allen was 31 when he went to boston and KG was 30. T mac is 31 and Redd is 31.

I must have missed out on the part where both Ray and KG had multiple reconstructive knee surgeries by the age of 31.
These were/are their stats (pts rebounds and assists) for their respective teams pre trade/FA
Ray 31
26 4 and 4
KG 30
22 13 and 4
TMac 31
8 4 and 4
Redd 30
12 3 and 2

You are reaching because you think that they somehow can defy both age and injury history to return to any semblance of what they were. Look at Gilbert Arenas, he just turned 29. Whats holding him from his superstar form?

Tmac is playing well today and I keep saying if Redd is healthy. I am reading he is and will be playing soon.

azuresou1 · Post #9 » by **azuresou1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:32 am

Ray Allen was an All Star the year before he went to Boston. So was KG.

Ray Allen averaged 26/5/4 on .564 TS.
KG averaged 22/13/4 on .546 TS.

T-Mac is averaging 8/4/4 on .502 TS.
Michael Redd hasn't played this year, and last year averaged 12/2/3 on .444 TS before getting a season ending injury AGAIN.

Seriously?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #10 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:36 am

Yeah Myrak, You can't be to serious on this one..

azuresou1 · Post #11 » by **azuresou1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:38 am

Also, in the 4 years prior to the trades/now for T-Mac & Redd:

KG: 12 games missed
Ray Allen: 61 games missed
T-Mac: 126 games missed
Michael Redd: 205 games missed

Are you kidding me?

30MinuteParking · Post #12 » by **30MinuteParking** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:22 am

T-mac has shown himself to be a bench player.

Jury's out on Redd, but I bet the verdict won't be encouraging.

myrak433 · Post #13 » by **myrak433** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:11 pm

Look I am not saying blow the team up to get these playeres. they are unrestricted free agents, I am only saying try to get some excitement in atlanta. these guys I believe would come cheap and we would still have Josh, Horford, and Marvin. and Kirk. we could tell these guys hey if you are healthy enough you will start. I am just tired of only getting guys like Al harrington, antoine walker, flip murry, and free agents like these. I won't someone that has a name of being a star and could still produce at a star or near star level. two or three years ago TMac was a superstar, Redd if healthy is a great player. give the guy a one year deal at the vet min and see if he has anything left. all three of these guys can play the one, two, or three. you would have the potential to have three ball handling,playmacking, scorers on the floor at the same time

azuresou1 · Post #14 » by **azuresou1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:36 pm

I'd take Al Harrington over TMac and Michael Redd any day, and Redd has been as relevent as Antoine Walker the last... 5 years? It's not 2003, those guys are done. I suppose you'd want us to sign Sam Cassell, Jamal Mashburn, and Brad Miller as well?

myrak433 · Post #15 » by **myrak433** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:54 pm

azuresou1 wrote:I'd take Al Harrington over TMac and Michael Redd any day, and Redd has been as relevent as Antoine Walker the last... 5 years? It's not 2003, those guys are done. I suppose you'd want us to sign Sam Cassell, Jamal Mashburn, and Brad Miller as well?

Look what do we have at the end of our bench???? worst case we would have T mac coming off the bench and Redd with DPNs instead of Collins, Wilkens,Powell, and/or Etan. but the potential of something would be there. having Collins, Wilkens, Powell, and Etan at the end of the bench there will never be the potential of anything. Hey, you don't have to agree with me, this is only my opinion, and there is nothing anyone can say to change my opinion, I would like to see if it could work, because we already know what we have been doing is never going to work

azuresou1 · Post #16 » by **azuresou1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:02 pm

Why would we invest in T-Mac and Redd when we could actually pick up young players with potential? And Wilkins is a serviceable backup SF, and Collins at least has been playing meaningful minutes, which would not be true with T-Mac and Redd.

It's especially WTF to start them over Teague or Hinrich, considering at this point T-Mac is probably just as good as Wilkins, but would get injured more often.

Ruhiel · Post #17 » by **Ruhiel** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:34 pm

Teague/Kirk
Williams/Redd or Terry(!)
Josh Smith/Wilkens
Horford/Jason Smith (Hornets)
Dalembert/ Przybilla???I doubt we cculd get both even though Pryz is hurt/

Nene/Tyson Chandler/Nazr

1s
Teague/Hinrich
run the elbow pick and roll for a jump shot/run the play/fast break
2s
Williams is a pinch shooter Joe is more comfortable being a rhythm shooter, now we're a post team, can come off screens and slash when needed ala Deng; he can run in transition
Redd gives us a trailer who can shoot the 3, takes away from the break, little defense
Terry can play but he would be a 6/7th man
3s
Smith- transiton All-Star, {SG-SF cross screen} causes mismatches in the post, very few SFs and fewer SGs can guard a determined Smith in the post; garbage man rebounder when needed
4s
Horford can score on most 4s, and definitely against Small Ball magic offensive rebounds, garbage man rebounder
not greedy will pass to the mismatches in the post and wait to shoot the mid-range where he is deadly
5s
need someone that forces coaches to put opposing 5s on him, he must score or Horford draws the best defender
ie Biedrins wouldn't work because you can stick most PFs on him and his low post game will be null, leaving Horford with the same coverage. That's why I prefer Dalembert because he is showing he can score on softies. Lakers are a local channel and I saw what he did against Gasol and I was impressed. He likes to score but will wait his turn. Chandler brings a lot of defense but is he gunshy on offense, can he capitalize/draw doubles in case of a switch?
Nazr Mohammed is a good choice as well. Nene can't knock down a jumper but ppl are saying he is doing work in DEN. He may be untouchable.

Ruhiel · Post #18 » by **Ruhiel** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:38 pm

Big 3s haven't done anything. Even the Lakers with Bryant and Gasol needed an SF and All Star PF (Odom) off the bench.
Rondo+"Big 3"= championship

Point is u need to spread the wealth ie talent or end up a bootleg version of the Knicks/Heat. You need to have at least 4 positions accounted 4, Hawks could potentially have 5 and become a better version of the Nuggets, dangerous from all positions.

evildallas · Post #19 » by **evildallas** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:06 pm

That's not a Big 3. That's kind of sad actually.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #20 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:35 pm

I think T Mac can be a nice rotation guy, Redd just needs a season to see if he can still shoot, but I could roll with having those guys at the end of the bench instead of Collins(Which is only a big body),Etan,Powell if they didn't pan out to much, especially for what we give Collins,Etan, and Powell.