Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

Reignman · Post #261 » by **Reignman** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:07 am

I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

Steely Reserve · Post #262 » by **Steely Reserve** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:07 am

toka wrote:
prototype wrote:Big LOL to anyone who said Knight hasn't shown anything. He has scored two winning clutch shots in the tourney.

Kemba has 8 game winning baskets this year.

Bu..bu..but I thought Knight was all about future potential. LMAO

You fail, go away. Listen to me next time.

arbsn · Post #263 » by **arbsn** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:08 am

TheDunc wrote:
5DOM wrote:I like Knight and that was **** nice, but he really didn't have a good game.
9 points, 3/10 FG (1/6 3FG), 4AST, 6 TO

Knight definetley had a sub par game but hes clutch. Ohio state really focused in on him. Knight has been posting up much better numbers all year. Im really torn apart on who like more between Walker and Knight. Knight has better size and is younger though

prototypes avvy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> urs

but i do agree w ure statement. :dontknow:

MEDIC · Post #264 » by **MEDIC** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:09 am

Kemba is quicker & has a smoothness about his game that Knight doesn't have. Knight looks more mechanical to me.

Of course, on the defensive side of the ball, you gotta go with Knight.

For me, Kemba is the pick after Irving. We need a guy that can get to the rim at will & create.

I can see Knight being a "soild" NBA PG, but nothing great.

I think Kemba has the potential to be a better version of Ty Lawson/ Damon Stoudamire.

Reignman · Post #265 » by **Reignman** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:10 am

Top 5 remains:

Irving
Barnes
P Jones
Knight
Val

All of these guys have two way potential and all have decent ceilings with Knight, Val and PJ having the highest ceilings of the group.

The real risky pick here is PJ but you can't overlook the length/athleticism/skill. High bust potential but he has to be in the top 5, kid is the best player in this draft if he reaches his full potential.

arbsn · Post #266 » by **arbsn** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:10 am

MEDIC wrote:Kemba is quicker & has a smoothness about his game that Knight doesn't have. Knight looks more mechanical to me.

Of course, on the defensive side of the ball, you gotta go with Knight.

For me, Kemba is the pick after Irving. We need a guy that can get to the rim at will & create.

right and play no defense right caugh 104-64 caugh

Steely Reserve · Post #267 » by **Steely Reserve** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:10 am

Reignman wrote:I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

This man deserves a medal. He knows how to build a team.

Sizemore24 · Post #268 » by **Sizemore24** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:11 am

Bernard James is a tremendous story and very good player. His game has developped so much this year.

Post #269 » by **5DOM** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:11 am

Reignman wrote:I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

Derrick Williams has just as much chance of being a two way player as Harrison Barnes. I'd say his defense is better than Barnes' offense,

Reignman · Post #270 » by **Reignman** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:13 am

5DOM wrote:
Reignman wrote:I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

Derrick Williams has just as much chance of being a two way player as Harrison Barnes. I'd say his defense is better than Barnes' offense,

You would've been better off saying D Will has more offensive potential than Barnes. TBH, on the defensive end there is no comparison, it's not even close.

Brinbe · Post #271 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:15 am

Reignman wrote:Top 5 remains:

Irving
Barnes
P Jones
Knight
Val

All of these guys have two way potential and all have decent ceilings with Knight, Val and PJ having the highest ceilings of the group.

The real risky pick here is PJ but you can't overlook the length/athleticism/skill. High bust potential but he has to be in the top 5, kid is the best player in this draft if he reaches his full potential.

Totally agree, but I don't quite share the love for PJ, as there's just so many red flags there. He should be better than what he has shown and he didn't really produce this year.

Also from http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Jones-5713/

The weakest part of Jones' game clearly lies on the defensive end. He's shockingly unproductive from a statistical standpoint, averaging an alarmingly low number of blocks and steals every game, and very few rebounds.

Of the 90 NCAA prospects currently classified as power forwards in our database, Jones ranks 78th in defensive rebounding on a per-minute basis, which is extremely disappointing considering his physical tools and the fact that none of his teammates are particularly prolific in this category. He shows fairly poor awareness here, often failing to box out opponents and doesn't look very instinctive or energetic in the way he pursues loose balls.

These attributes definitely translate to the rest of his defensive game, where Jones clearly lacks toughness and activity. He regularly gets lost off the ball, being a step slow to react to things happening on the floor and not putting enough work in early in possessions to stop opponents from getting the ball in a favorable position. Physical players move him around the paint fairly easily and Jones doesn't always respond the way you'd hope. He often allows himself to get outhustled and outworked.

Beyond his poor fundamentals, Jones doesn't seem to be the most contact-loving player in the world. He tends to shy away from putting a body on opponents and isn't one to dive on the floor for loose balls. With his size, length, quickness and ability to get in a low stance, Jones has all the tools to be an excellent defender and rebounder down the road.

It's not easy to teach toughness and hustle, though, and these are things that are sorely lacking in Jones' game at the moment.

Seeing the lackluster manner in which he sets screens and shies away from contact around the basket offensively, it's not difficult to tell why Jones often struggled to crack double digit scoring figures at the high school level. The people who saw him play the most back then—recruiting analysts—were very skeptical about his prospects, as evidenced by their rankings.

Reignman · Post #272 » by **Reignman** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:18 am

Brinbe wrote:
Reignman wrote:Top 5 remains:

Irving
Barnes
P Jones
Knight
Val

All of these guys have two way potential and all have decent ceilings with Knight, Val and PJ having the highest ceilings of the group.

The real risky pick here is PJ but you can't overlook the length/athleticism/skill. High bust potential but he has to be in the top 5, kid is the best player in this draft if he reaches his full potential.

Totally agree, but I don't quite share the love for PJ, as there's just so many red flags there. He should be better than what he has shown and he didn't really produce this year.

Also from http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Jones-5713/

The weakest part of Jones' game clearly lies on the defensive end. He's shockingly unproductive from a statistical standpoint, averaging an alarmingly low number of blocks and steals every game, and very few rebounds.

Of the 90 NCAA prospects currently classified as power forwards in our database, Jones ranks 78th in defensive rebounding on a per-minute basis, which is extremely disappointing considering his physical tools and the fact that none of his teammates are particularly prolific in this category. He shows fairly poor awareness here, often failing to box out opponents and doesn't look very instinctive or energetic in the way he pursues loose balls.

These attributes definitely translate to the rest of his defensive game, where Jones clearly lacks toughness and activity. He regularly gets lost off the ball, being a step slow to react to things happening on the floor and not putting enough work in early in possessions to stop opponents from getting the ball in a favorable position. Physical players move him around the paint fairly easily and Jones doesn't always respond the way you'd hope. He often allows himself to get outhustled and outworked.

Beyond his poor fundamentals, Jones doesn't seem to be the most contact-loving player in the world. He tends to shy away from putting a body on opponents and isn't one to dive on the floor for loose balls. With his size, length, quickness and ability to get in a low stance, Jones has all the tools to be an excellent defender and rebounder down the road.

No doubt and I def wouldn't put any money on the kid being anything; however, in a draft like this I can't overlook the the fact that he's a freak. I wouldn't want to be the team that passed on him with a top 5 pick.

MEDIC · Post #273 » by **MEDIC** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:18 am

arbsn wrote:
MEDIC wrote:Kemba is quicker & has a smoothness about his game that Knight doesn't have. Knight looks more mechanical to me.

Of course, on the defensive side of the ball, you gotta go with Knight.

For me, Kemba is the pick after Irving. We need a guy that can get to the rim at will & create.

right and play no defense right caugh 104-64 caugh

Kemba is known to play decent defense for his size. He can definitely stay in front of his man. There are lots of small guys that have not been a defensive liability on the floor. TJ was a decent defender, so was Damon.

This is the PG position. Its main purpose is to facilitate the offense. Give me a guy with great offensive PG skills & "adequate" defense, over an elite defensive PG that cannot run a team. Kinda the opposite of the C position.

andreavagnani · Post #274 » by **andreavagnani** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:18 am

Knight reminds me so much of Bayless in college. He's a combo guard, athletic, and can score but makes way too many bonehead mistakes that lead to turnovers so you question weather or not he can become a PG. There is no way he will go in the top 5 so Raptors fans don't hold your breath.

prototype · Post #275 » by **prototype** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:19 am

Reignman wrote:Top 5 remains:

Irving
Barnes
P Jones
Knight
Val

All of these guys have two way potential and all have decent ceilings with Knight, Val and PJ having the highest ceilings of the group.

The real risky pick here is PJ but you can't overlook the length/athleticism/skill. High bust potential but he has to be in the top 5, kid is the best player in this draft if he reaches his full potential.

I love how you say we need two way players yet list P. Jones. The guy plays defense like Bargnani.

Steely Reserve · Post #276 » by **Steely Reserve** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:19 am

Ohio State was the number team in the country and a true freshman led them to victory with a game winning basket.

How you gonna hate on that?

The guy has a tailor made NBA game. If you want Irving at #1, you have to want Knight at #5 because he projects at least an equal grade to Irving from a scouting perspective.

Ackshun · Post #277 » by **Ackshun** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:20 am

Reignman wrote:I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

I shot up 25 pounds and 2inches when I hit 21. I'd take D Will easily

prototype · Post #278 » by **prototype** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:22 am

Ackshun wrote:
Reignman wrote:I hope tonight's game against GS is a sharp reminder that we need as much two-way potential as we can get so I'd like to leave the tweeners and undersized guys off the list.

No D Will's, no Sullinger's, and no Walker's for me.

Two way potential, that has to be high on the list for whoever we draft.

I shot up 25 pounds and 2inches when I hit 21. I'd take D Will easily

Lucky b****. It's my last month being 21 and I'm still stuck at 5'8. I would give anything for just two more inches.

Reignman · Post #279 » by **Reignman** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:22 am

prototype wrote:
Reignman wrote:Top 5 remains:

Irving
Barnes
P Jones
Knight
Val

All of these guys have two way potential and all have decent ceilings with Knight, Val and PJ having the highest ceilings of the group.

The real risky pick here is PJ but you can't overlook the length/athleticism/skill. High bust potential but he has to be in the top 5, kid is the best player in this draft if he reaches his full potential.

I love how you say we need two way players yet list P. Jones. The guy plays defense like Bargnani.

i'm definitely not going to argue with you there but just like Bargnani he's a SF that's been asked to play the 4/5 in college. Whether he can really man the 3 spot in the NBA is a HUGE question mark.

There's a reason I always add a caveat when I put PJ in my top 5, like I said, he has the highest bust potential out of the top prospects but you can't overlook the size to skill ratio (did I just say that?)

Steely Reserve · Post #280 » by **Steely Reserve** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:24 am

andreavagnani wrote:Knight reminds me so much of Bayless in college. He's a combo guard, athletic, and can score but makes way too many bonehead mistakes that lead to turnovers so you question weather or not he can become a PG. There is no way he will go in the top 5 so Raptors fans don't hold your breath.

Knight is nothing like Bayless nor is he a combo guard.

I don't know where some people get their opinions from.