Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

[DMVleGeND]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NITMcVLpEOI

NUFF' SAID!

[illyasova]

Omer and Erden are guys that can board, put a body on a guy, and have great size. Asik has been extremely impressive. If Kanter even turns out to be a better offensive version of Asik then it's worth a look.

Yea Asik has become monster lately as we all know him hoping. Even Bulls refused the trade idea of Rockets for Lee. I am sure he is gonna be next Tyson Chandler may be better and earn his paycheck next year. But there is none corelation between Kanter and Asik except they both awesome rebounders. Its been said Kanter will be the most talented player ever coming out of Turkey ( Hedo Turkoglu, Memo okur, Ersan Ilyasova, Omer Asik and Semih Erden). So his ceiling his so so higher than Asik and Erden.

[hands11]

I think Sullinger staying increases the chances that we end up with Perry Jones. If we draft at 4-6 he almost has too much talent to pass up- and he really seems like a good natured and unselfish kid.

This is a great profile on him from the New York Times here.

I don't think he will be another Kwame or Andray Blatche; but the question is, will he be another Yi. Somehow I feel like he would be a better fit with us than people think, especially with John Wall and also Jordan Crawford who really impresses me with how he looks to pass the ball to the big men.

But we absolutely would have to get rid of Blatche, but hey, we have to do that anyway.

McGrady was the player who would always come to mind for me. Sleepy kid. Only McGrady took the wrong path. I'm going to try to keep an open mind about Perry.

Interesting the Sullenger is staying at school. Maybe he can tune his body up some more. But he wasn't my pick anyway for the Wizards.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... _NBA_Draft

Now Irving is undecided.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... aft_Status

D Williams was my main focus since I started looking at who was available. Time will tell if anyone else makes more sense, but for now, it feels good knowing there are some pieces out there that could help the Wizards that seem like solid choices.

We better lose from here on out to ensure the best chance at a good player. This is an important draft.

[hands11]

Hey Mods

I think I may have posted this once before but I will try again.

It would be more functional for tracking these players if you could start sub threads in here instead of it being one flat thread. As it is, you have to 100 pages and part 2 of that to browse through when you are just looking for information or discussion on a single player. If you can't do that, then just allow individual player threads to be started on the main wiz board.

I understand the trend here to not have a lot of different threads on the main board and to merge them when they are similar topics, but for disusing individual players, it makes more sense to have separate ones, just like we do on the main board for Nick or Wall, etc. Only for these draft prospects, they could all be in this one location instead of being mixed in with the general board threads. Actually, if you do have to control to make sub folder this same idea would work for the Wiz players sub threads. Just make one folder called. Wizards Individual Players Threads and then make on for Wall, Nick, etc. This way you would have player threads drifting back to page 4 and someone starting a new one. You could make a folder called Game Threads and do the same. It would be more organized that way.

If you don't have to user control level to do it, it would be nice if we could just do these college players in individual threads on the main thread Wiz board instead.

This is vBulletin you are using, right ? I have it at work and have played around with it some so I am pretty sure it was easy to do.

Just my 2 cents to help promote better organization and discussion.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NITMcVLpEOI

NUFF' SAID!

Perry Jones Interview with Jon Givony of Draft Express:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfiBGyzhRtY&feature=related[/youtube]

Jones doesn't necessarily pass my interview read. He has reasons why his HS program didn't acheive. Problems with teammates and new coach, he couldn't do what he was used to doing. He didn't achieve at Baylor, ironically enough, with Dunn jacking shots (not his fault). Jones sounds nice enough, open and honest, and reasonably articulate--at least--he's a thinker IMO. I don't know how coachable or flexible he is, however.

He seems like a SF, though. Maybe that's a good thing. Perry would have been better off if Udoh had stayed at Baylor. That team would have ruled with Udoh, Early, and Jones up front.

I do have a soft spot after hearing Jones' mom has a heart condition, and he wants to take care of her. I do think he's a good kid, but for whatever reason maybe not make a big enough impact.

[hands11]

viewforum.php?f=243

Basically, this structure but in the Wizards thread with the bold being folder and what is inside being threads we start.

The Lodge, News, etc.
Game Threads
Wizard Player Threads
- Wall
- Nick
- McGee
- Etc
The Draft
- Post your mock draft order
- D William
- Perry
- Etc


The key is not making a ton of them, so people spend more their time in the main folder but to add enough that is adds some useful organization.

[FAH1223]

At this point, I only want Williams or Kanter.

We HAVE to tank hard remaining games. Hopefully Blatche doesn't play another game

[Jay81]

is anyone worried about nobody coming out thats any good? Irving,harrison barnes,sullinger might all stay in school

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Watching vids of Kanter... the player that I come up with that he reminds me of most is Rony Seikaly.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwDuKicDPw&NR=1

[closg00]

What about 3rd-pick draft-n-stash candidates? Nikola Vucevic who just declared and fits the bill.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nik ... evic-5828/

[kirubel94]

^ Definatley, the guy has skills and knows how to score inside and developing outside game.

[Kanyewest]

Ideal draft day scenerio: Wiz win the lotto, Minny gets the 2nd pick, Utah gets the 3rd via NJ's pick.

Wiz trade Lewis+#1 for Okur (expiring)+Harris (expiring when team option is exercised)+Raja Bell (2012 expiring)+#3.

Jazz take Irving, Minny takes Barnes, and we take Derrick Williams. Lewis would actually fill a need for Utah as a replacement for AK47 and outside shooter. They can also shop Devin Harris to fill other needs like a 2g. They will have cap space when Lewis, Jefferson, and Milsapp expire at the same time.

Wiz save a ton of money on the deal as Bell makes 6.5 million less than the reported 10 million buy out of Lewis. They get more cap space for 2012.

NEW LINEUP for the Wiz:
PG: Wall/Crawford/Shakur
SG: Young/Crawford/Bell
SF: Williams/Miles/Bell
PF: Blatche/Booker
C: Okur/McGee/Seraphin

I don't know if this is an ideal scenario really unless Utah somehow throws in there other first round pick or a future one down the line. Okur is someone on the downward spiral of his career, plus he won't provide the Wizards with much defense.

[DMVleGeND]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NITMcVLpEOI

NUFF' SAID!

Perry Jones Interview with Jon Givony of Draft Express:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfiBGyzhRtY&feature=related[/youtube]

Jones doesn't necessarily pass my interview read. He has reasons why his HS program didn't acheive. Problems with teammates and new coach, he couldn't do what he used to doing. He didn't achieve at Baylor, ironically enough, with Dunn jacking shots (not his fault). Jones sounds nice enough, open and hones, and reasonably articulate--at least--he's a thinker IMO. I don't know how coachable or flexible he is, however.

He seems like a SF, though. Maybe that's a good thing. Perry would have been better off if Udoh had stayed at Baylor. That team would have ruled with Udoh, Early, and Jones up front.

I do have a soft spot after hearing Jones' mom has a heart condition, and he wants to take care of her. I do think he's a good kid, but for whatever reason maybe not make a big enough impact.

I agree with everything you said. He underachieved at Baylor, and definitely could have been more aggressive, but part of the reason I think he underachieved was because the way Baylor played him. They had poor guard play, and he played PF/C, and was a full-time low post player. I think his position at the next level is SF, but he didn't play that at Baylor, we can stunt his development. If you're going to play him at PF, they should've at least played him from the high post more, where he could use his speed and handle to beat slower bigs off the dribble.

And I don't know where this "bad attitude" stuff is coming. From everything I've read about him, he comes from a religious family and is a good kid.

And everything that is being said about him right now was being said about Rudy Gay at UCONN. Before his sophomore season, he was the projected #1 pick, but his stock fell when people started questioning his heart and lack of assertiveness. But looking back on it, he probably should have been the #1 pick, and I bet all the GMs that passed on him are biting their tongues. I can see the same thing happening to Jones, and Jones IMO is a very similar player to Rudy Gay.

Andray Blatche is my comparison for him, but don't take that the wrong way, because I like Andray Blatche. He's very similar to Blatche but is a notch quicker and a better leaper, which enables him to play SF.

[Illuminaire]

Gay is not exactly a top-tier player. As a #1 draft pick he would be pretty disappointing. Maybe you can't do better than that in some drafts, but in this one, if you tell me a player *might* be as good as Rudy, I'm just going to put my chips somewhere else.

[closg00]

Jones reminds me of another High_Flyer who mocked as-high as a lottery pick last year, only to end-up being picked at the end of the 2nd round...he's now out of the league. Caution and no-thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o060gp1ARFw

[hands11]

Blatche with leaps though if anything. I see him as a SF as well tough. Something Dray wanted to be when he first started out. But with no leaps, he needed to be a PF and with the Wizards without enough centers, he got his start there. Now for Dray after all these years, I think that is where he needs to go back to. He could be a very solid back up C/PF on a good team and a starting center on a back one.

Concerns about Perry.
Does he has a Kwame heart. Does he really love the game or is he in it just to get paid and help him mother with a bad heart ?

He needs to go into the right situation. I see him as that 3-5 year project type. Not sure the Wizards are the best place for a kid like this. Things are better hear then before though. Wall and Booker are tougher mentally and not spoiled types. If you go Perry, you may have to add some NBA ready at PF.

I see him as a McGrady type. Maybe some Durant if he works on his shot. Maybe even some R Lewis in him. It could work with our new organization and if Lewis can take him under his wing. But it would be best for him to go to an established organization where he has time to grow over the next 3 years.

If here

Wall/Crawford
Nick/Draft Pick/Martin - Draft a pure shooter here.
Lewis/Howard/Perry - Howard or Mo on a one year.
Booker/McGee
Blatche/Seraphin/Hamady

I don't like it as much as having D Williams though who is more developed, tougher and more mature.

[hands11]

For my take, this team desperately need D Williams to help build it's core of mental toughness fundamental young talent. Maybe he has less upside but this team needs that core. Wall, Williams and Booker could be it. Nick is a nice compliment pieces who is late to mature but getting there. Lewis a vet. With that, you can wait a little on McGee and Dray because they are not in the leadership core but they have talent.

This feel like a better way to go.

Wall/Crawford
Nick/Draft Pick/Martin - Draft a pure shooter here.
Williams/Lewis
Booker/McGee
Blatche/Seraphin/Hamady

Lots of line ups could get spun from this with players who can play in more than on place.
SF Williams, Lewis, Booker, Nick, Martin
PF Booker, Lewis, Dray, McGee, Williams
C Dray, McGee, Seraphin, Hamady

[no D in Hibachi]

I don't think the Sullinger decision to stay in school affects things that much. I really didn't think Sullinger had any chance of going in the top 4 picks anyhow.

I think it's a mistake for him to stay in school though. My guess is that he'll show little improvement next year (he's already so polished) and he'll end up dropping some in the next draft.

Yup, Barnes/Irving/Sullinger all staying in school will cost them millions. They have holes in their game that just aren't going to be fixed with more time in college...Barnes(Unathletic), Irving(lacks quickness), Sully(height). All of them are projected top 6ish. Their stars will fade with the next wave of freshman. If Terrance Morris taught us anything it's that you gotta cash in while you can.

[no D in Hibachi]

I think Minny can win one more game on their schedule (NJ). They have a ton of hard teams. The tank is strong with them. It looks like we will likely finish 3rd, although we could tank just as hard and lose to the Cavs twice to close the gap on the #1 pick.

AR has been coming on strong. He has a 31/11 and a 24/15 game in two of the last three. I see him going wild in a few more and pulling out a win. Wiz need the Wolves to win at least one more in order to keep up in the tank race. The Wiz April schedule scares me for tank purposes. @Clev, Clev, Det @Char.