Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

[5DOM]

Williams put the theory of him playing SF to rest. If he had the skills, he could have broken his man down for a three or did a pull up. He was being defended by a PF so it should have been easy if he had the skills.

Those weren't bad looks. The problem was that he should have used his strengths and taken better shots which he's shown he's capable of. The guy just swung for the fences every time and settled for 3s. Tried to be a hero and failed. Now I think he stays too cause he **** up last 5 mins

[Garmfay]

Still don't like Kemba that much, Knight has better size. You can see this especially when Walker got blocked on the next possession after the step back jumper.

[TheRealDeal]

Great season Arizona!

Congratulations Uconn, it was a great game.
We had a clean lock to win the game and we missed it, such is life.

It was a great season for you guys. I hope you enjoyed watching Derrick Williams because this tournament will lead him straight to an agent.

[Mr. Perfect]

Haha yeah it's like Derrick Williams was playing for his draft stock out there the way he played in the last minutes chucking 3's. He was definitely trying to show perimeter skills but didn't work out.

[sunny]

Haha yeah it's like Derrick Williams was playing for his draft stock out there the way he played in the last minutes chucking 3's. He was definitely trying to show perimeter skills but didn't work out.

please stop

[Steely Reserve]

Williams put the theory of him playing SF to rest. If he had the skills, he could have broken his man down for a three or did a pull up. He was being defended by a PF so it should have been easy if he had the skills.

What I find more distressing is he played unlike at any point during his career. It's like he was reading blogs like this one and was trying to showcase his perimeter game.

At the end of the day, I find this a read flag because he's a power forward. Before the last fives games of the season and the tournament, I thought he understood this and realized what kind of player he was. That's why I pegged him to have a better professional career than Beasley. But after today, man, I would be hestitant drafting Williams if he seriously thinks he's a small forward in the NBA.

[TheRealDeal]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

[5DOM]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

Same. He took the same shots against Duke and they all went in. Being a 60% 3 point shooter and his team's best player, I think he was going for the home run plays. Didn't work out, but I think his coach and teammates were probably behind him the whole time

[Steely Reserve]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

[Steely Reserve]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

Same. He took the same shots against Duke and they all went in. Being a 60% 3 point shooter and his team's best player, I think he was going for the home run plays. Didn't work out, but I think his coach and teammates were probably behind him the whole time

They guy is not a 60% 3 point shooter, at least not in real life terms. He had a magical year where he shot limited number of threes, made a large amount of them, but that's where it ends.

The words "Derrick Williams is a good 3 point shooter...." should not be put in a sentence.

[prototype]

Just because he can score the three pointer doesn't make him a small forward. Like I said, he hasn't shown any ability to create from the perimeter in college like a SF. He is most effective doing pick n' rolls and powering his way in from the low block like a PF. You are not maximizing him to his potential by having him hang around the perimeter dribbling around and jacking up shots.

[TheRealDeal]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

I think he can play both but for the Raptors I don't think he's a good fit at 3. I don't envision him being a great NBA 3-pt shooter so we'd be a pretty poor shooting team w/ he & DeMar at the wings. I'd also be scared to have him guarding quicker NBA 3's every night. I'm still a bit apprehensive to pass up a talent like D-Will just because he doesn't fit our current roster. I don't want Bargnani here long term so maybe he'd eventually fit in well. I like to go BPA but it'd be tough to bring in another PF.

[prototype]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

I think he can play both but for the Raptors I don't think he's a good fit at 3. I don't envision him being a great NBA 3-pt shooter so we'd be a pretty poor shooting team w/ he & DeMar at the wings. I'd also be scared to have him guarding quicker NBA 3's every night. I'm still a bit apprehensive to pass up a talent like D-Will just because he doesn't fit our current roster. I don't want Bargnani here long term so maybe he'd eventually fit in well. I like to go BPA but it'd be tough to bring in another PF.

I feel the same way. I said earlier in this thread that if our position of need was at the PF, nobody would be arguing about his ability to play the SF.

[5DOM]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

I think he's going to be a solid PF in the league at worst. Our need isn't that great at that position, so naturally we can try him at 3. If he can drop some weight and work on his handles and perimeter moves, I think he "might" have a chance as a 3. After the improvement he's shown since his freshman year, I have to assume he's a hard worker. Now if he sucks as a 3, we have three good PFs on our team.

Just because he can score the three pointer doesn't make him a small forward. Like I said, he hasn't shown any ability to create from the perimeter in college like a SF. He is most effective doing pick n' rolls and powering his way in from the low block like a PF. You are not maximizing him to his potential by having him hang around the perimeter dribbling around and jacking up shots.

That's true for a traditional SF. But he can be like a Marion or Kirilenko type of SF. We basically have a seven footer playing the SG position, so I think the pressure on Williams to create from the perimeter is less too. If he can't improve his perimeter skills, he should just play where our center should be playing (at least for when Bargs is on this team)

They guy is not a 60% 3 point shooter, at least not in real life terms. He had a magical year where he shot limited number of threes, made a large amount of them, but that's where it ends.

The words "Derrick Williams is a good 3 point shooter...." should not be put in a sentence.

Sure but he's shown the ability to make them. I certainly wouldn't have bet on him missing that many 3's in the last 5 minutes.

[Steely Reserve]

Willams was quoted the other day saying that he was a 3. It was definitely on his mind but I don't think it mattered in the last 5 minutes. It would do a lot more for his stock if Arizona made it to the Final Four so I'm sure he was just trying to win.

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

I think he can play both but for the Raptors I don't think he's a good fit at 3. I don't envision him being a great NBA 3-pt shooter so we'd be a pretty poor shooting team w/ he & DeMar at the wings. I'd also be scared to have him guarding quicker NBA 3's every night. I'm still a bit apprehensive to pass up a talent like D-Will just because he doesn't fit our current roster. I don't want Bargnani here long term so maybe he'd eventually fit in well. I like to go BPA but it'd be tough to bring in another PF.

Yea, I don't think Williams fits your team at either position. If he plays power forward, he's not that good of a rebounder or defender to validate him being opposite Bargnani. And I don't think he can play small forward, period.

So if the consensus is that he's a power forward, do you think he's worthy of a top 5 pick?

I don't.

[TheRealDeal]

If you drafted Williams, would it be as a small or power forward?

And if you asked him which position he see's himself as a pro, answers opposite of where you want him to play, do you think that's a red flag?

I think he can play both but for the Raptors I don't think he's a good fit at 3. I don't envision him being a great NBA 3-pt shooter so we'd be a pretty poor shooting team w/ he & DeMar at the wings. I'd also be scared to have him guarding quicker NBA 3's every night. I'm still a bit apprehensive to pass up a talent like D-Will just because he doesn't fit our current roster. I don't want Bargnani here long term so maybe he'd eventually fit in well. I like to go BPA but it'd be tough to bring in another PF.

Yea, I don't think Williams fits your team at either position. If he plays power forward, he's not that good of a rebounder or defender to validate him being opposite Bargnani. And I don't think he can play small forward, period.

So if the consensus is that he's a power forward, do you think he's worthy of a top 5 pick?

I don't.

After how he played in the tournament, regardless of position, if he enters he'll go top 5.

[Steely Reserve]

When Marion came into the league he was 210 pound quick-jumping 6'7 wing with a crazy wingspan and nice hops. He was an explosive jumper off one or two feet.

Totally different players.

[5DOM]

Yeah. Not that it matters, but I think most mocks have him in top 3 as a PF. We are the only ones who really want him to be a SF.

[Harry Palmer]

After how he played in the tournament, regardless of position, if he enters he'll go top 5.

Fans are more consistently swayed by that than GMs...sometimes you get an Adam Morrison, sometimes you get an Ed O'Bannon.

[5DOM]

When Marion came into the league he was 210 pound quick-jumping 6'7 wing with a crazy wingspan and nice hops. He was an explosive jumper off one or two feet.

Totally different players.

I meant SFs who can't create their own shots from the perimeter cause I think that was the criticism of Williams.