Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

MEDIC · Post #1001 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:44 pm

I know this is a "mix tape" & these are some of his better plays from the 09-10 season, but watch it & look at some of these drive & dish plays near the bucket. This is what I am envisioning with him. Even at full speed, while in the air, he can see the open man for an easy bucket. That's the type of PG we need:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ySGOWjxif0[/youtube]

& just for fun:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6XyDgl1Lp0&feature=fvst[/youtube]

Reef · Post #1002 » by **Reef** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:46 pm

Moxie wrote:I hope we can somehow hold on to 4th. I've been running the lotto sim, and we are ending up in the top 4-5 WAY more consistently. Lots of top 3, too.

I doubt it. I can see Sac not winning anymore games, and I don't see how we're not going to win against Cleveland and maybe even NJ if Williams is out.

Reef · Post #1003 » by **Reef** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:49 pm

MEDIC wrote:I know this is a "mix tape" & these are some of his better plays, but watch it & look at some of these drive & dish plays near the bucket. This is what I am envisioning with him. Even at full speed, while in the air, he can see the open man for an easy bucket. That's the type of PG we need:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ySGOWjxif0[/youtube]

& just for fun:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6XyDgl1Lp0&feature=fvst[/youtube]

You're not gonna see Jameer Nelson dunking on anyone. Kemba's much more explosive than Jameer.

ItsDanger · Post #1004 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:50 pm

Chad Ford and other 'experts' like to pump up all the prospects whether they will be impact players or not. its part of their job so always discount what they have to say.

MEDIC · Post #1005 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:01 pm

Reef wrote:You're not gonna see Jameer Nelson dunking on anyone. Kemba's much more explosive than Jameer.

Yeah, I think Kemba is more explosive than Nelson & Lawson. Kemba is as explosive as anyone in the NBA.

Post #1006 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:08 pm

I think that Kemba at his size, at 100% potential, is a one-way player at the next level and drafting him would mean that you think his offence will be so good at PG, not at SG where he's been played in the tourney, that his inability to stop the ball would be excused.

Can we bet Kemba out-shining Rondo, Deron, Rose, Jennings, Wall or even Holiday in our conference, or should we look at somebody with a higher ceiling at another position? If Kemba can't get a step, he'll be worth less than anybody bigger taken after him in the lotto. He's a bad risk/reward pick in the top 10 IMO, let alone the top 5.

Vorticity · Post #1007 » by **Vorticity** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:13 pm

Ignore, if already posted:
Jay Bilas Talks Williams, Walker & Irving
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/03/25/jay- ... ie-irving/

sunny · Post #1008 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Derrick Williams was named a 2nd team all American today.
Absolute joke.
East coast bias at its finest.

Deadpool_X · Post #1009 » by **Deadpool_X** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:26 pm

BPA!!!!! lets just hope the best player available is a PG/C

Post #1010 » by **DG88** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:27 pm

Chisholm sees Kemba Walker as a Raptor if we don't ger Irving. If posted just ignore.
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=359655

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1011 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:37 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I think that Kemba at his size, at 100% potential, is a one-way player at the next level and drafting him would mean that you think his offence will be so good at PG, not at SG where he's been played in the tourney, that his inability to stop the ball would be excused.

Can we bet Kemba out-shining Rondo, Deron, Rose, Jennings, Wall or even Holiday in our conference, or should we look at somebody with a higher ceiling at another position? If Kemba can't get a step, he'll be worth less than anybody bigger taken after him in the lotto. He's a bad risk/reward pick in the top 10 IMO, let alone the top 5.

Those guys are also going to have to defend Kemba, which is no easy task. I just think his abilities are clearly NBA-calibre, and really, it's just a matter of whether you think he can overcome his size deficiencies, and whether he has potential to be even more. If a team doesn't believe that he can, then you take Knight, no problem.

NH · Post #1012 » by NH » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:41 pm

Outside of Irving, D Williams, and Barnes, I have to agree Walker is your next best choice; this goes to show how weak this draft is. Unless you believe in Perry Jones, Rush, or Kanter..

Post #1013 » by **TheDoctor** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:31 pm

I think Kemba is quick enough and athletic enough to be credible against NBA PGs. UConn tends to rest him on D because they want him playing 40 Minutes a game.

I'm high on Kemba, and won't be upset if we end up with him around the 5-7 range (if we slip a bit).

JamesNaismith · Post #1014 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:35 pm

If we don't get Irving, Barnes or DWilliams then I hope we trade down.

Perry Jones is the lone "darkhorse" I would possibly risk staying at our spot for but all this talk about Kemba, Knight, Kanter....those 3 initials tell it all! It's a bad look.

fredericklove · Post #1015 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:38 pm

DG88 wrote:Chisholm sees Kemba Walker as a Raptor if we don't ger Irving. If posted just ignore.
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=359655

No idea how but this blog article has moved me...I think outside of Irving, DWill and Barnes, I'd definitely hope raps draft Walker. He could be the vocal and emotional leader that the raps lack this year.

CunningLinguist · Post #1016 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:46 pm

sunny wrote:The second full weekend of March Madness was simply amazing.

It's rare that NBA scouts and GMs get to see the top prospects in the country go head-to-head in such intense circumstances.

Not only did we see some great performances by some great players (and some shaky ones by a few Player of the Year candidates) but for the first time in a long time scouts began to concede that maybe this draft isn't as bad as they've been making it out to be.

At times, Arizona's Derrick Williams, Duke's Kyrie Irving and North Carolina's Harrison Barnes all played worthy of a No. 1 pick in the draft.

The list below doesn't reflect who played the best game or games. But it does give you a good feel for who scouts were talking about. Here's a look at a who helped and who hurt themselves this weekend:
The Good

Derrick Williams, F, Arizona
Top 100 Rank: 2

Derrick Williams has been steadily rising in our rankings all year. He began the season ranked No. 26 on our Big Board. In late December he cracked the lottery. In January we moved him into our Top 10 and in February we moved him all the way to No. 4 on our Big Board and we raised the possibility of Williams being the No. 1 pick in the draft.

This weekend Williams did his best to show that he was worthy of being the top pick in the draft. Williams was flat out beastly against both Duke and UConn. His 32 points and 13 boards against the Blue Devils was one of the best performances by a big man we've seen all year. Williams had everything going. He connected on five 3-pointers, had two Blake Griffin-esque dunks and dominated the paint for Arizona. His strength, explosion around the basket and smooth perimeter game made him look like an NBA All-Star in the making. Against UConn, things didn't quite work out as well. He had 20 points and 5 boards, but missed a few critical shots for Arizona down the stretch.

This weekend we raised him another two spots to the No. 2 position on our Big Board. Based on feedback from NBA scouts and GMs, we now believe Williams is in serious consideration for the No. 1 pick along with Duke's Kyrie Irving and North Carolina's Harrison Barnes. With all three players now out of the tournament, there should be a lively debate based on team needs and workouts about who is No. 1.

/ chad ford

I'm just not seeing Williams as a #1 pick in the draft. Personally I don't see him as a top 3 pick. His skillset screams PF, outside of hitting open 3's. He's going to have challenges defending PFs because he's a bit undersized and his ability to defend SFs is unproven, even at the college level. Just because he has vertical explosiveness doesn't mean he has the required lateral quicks. He struggles scoring over bigger players too.

Can he shoot off the dribble? Does he pass well enough to make other players better? Not that I've seen. If not, that is not top-pick worthy in my opinion. I don't question his ability to put up some nice fantasy stats but I question how much of an impact he will have on wins at the next level.

I stand by my comparison to a more athletic Antawn Jamison. I find it interesting that Williams himself is now comparing himself to Jamison and Beasley, so apparently he agrees.

MEDIC · Post #1017 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:03 pm

DG88 wrote:Chisholm sees Kemba Walker as a Raptor if we don't ger Irving. If posted just ignore.
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=359655

Thanks for sharing.

Geez. I could have written that article. Chisholm sees things the exact way that I do in regards to the draft order, Kemba as a player & how he fits this roster so well.

I honestly think that Kemba is BC's guy if he doesn't get into the top 3. I really don't think the Raptors will have much interest in Knight & I don't think Knights draft stock will be top 8 when the pre-draft workouts are done.

Just my opinion, but we'll have to see..... :wink:

TheRealDeal · Post #1018 » by **TheRealDeal** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:18 pm

Hoopsworld

If the draft were today, I think there is every chance that Arizona's Derrick Williams would be the first overall pick. He's strong, can handle the ball and proved to have the "it" factor that scouts always look for in a top pick. I recall thinking Williams could win the tournament by himself, that's how dominating he was at one point. He closed out the game against Texas and literally kept them in the game against UCONN. The only question is the release on his jumper needs to get a little higher, but that's nitpicking - this kid is the truth and will be a load at the next level.

Despite losing to Kentucky, North Carolina had a very impressive tournament and were led by Tyler Zeller and Harrison Barnes. I knew Barnes had the takeover ability and moxy of veteran player, but it was Zeller who impressed me the most in terms of improvement. His frame is very slight and he was pushed around at times by bigger more physical players (namely Josh Harrelson), but his all-around skill set proved NBA worthy in my opinion. He came a long way in a short period of time. He may need another year of seasoning, but he's a pro, no question. Harrison Barnes solidified himself as a top-five pick based on his performance in the tournament. When the Heels needed a hoop Barnes seemingly always delivered. He has all the tools, but will he break Heels' fans' hearts by leaving after just one year?

UCONN's Kemba Walker helps his stock every time he steps on the floor. His athleticism, ability to simply bring it every night, and the vastly improved form on his jump shot has him on top of a very impressive list of guard prospects. Kentucky's Brandon Knight will garner serious top 5 consideration as the draft approaches based on his performance here. He's shown scouts he can value possessions and make the key play at the right time. He's currently 9-26 from behind the arc for the tournament, including five huge ones yesterday, which validates his near 40% for the season. His turnovers are a bit high, but he's made up for them by getting after it on the defensive end, making the extra pass later in the shot clock, and knocking down key jump shots.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?sto ... z1HvnIqaXI

sunny · Post #1019 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:18 pm

3/4 guys on around the horn just said that Dwill's gotta be the number 1 pick.

TheRealDeal · Post #1020 » by **TheRealDeal** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:26 pm

sunny wrote:3/4 guys on around the horn just said that Dwill's gotta be the number 1 pick.

Saw that. Now I get why a lot of NBA scouts go to Europe during the NCAA Tournament. A few great tourney games can really cloud your opinion. Williams had a great season and could easily be the #1 pick but we still need to look at the big picture and not make our decision based on a few games in March. Perry Jones screwed up by going to Baylor...at least he got paid.