Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

Post #1041 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:04 pm

sunny wrote:joey graham had amazing defense and questionable offense in college.
Although his D in the nba was by no means amazing, thats definitely not the reason he sucked.

He sucked because he was a very short PF.

arbsn · Post #1042 » by **arbsn** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:08 pm

how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

CunningLinguist · Post #1043 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:09 pm

sunny wrote:joey graham had amazing defense and questionable offense in college.
Although his D in the nba was by no means amazing, thats definitely not the reason he sucked.

I said it in jest but he's an example of an athletic PF in college converted to SF whose defense didn't end up translating well to the new position. Of course the fact that he had the IQ of a half-eaten grapefruit probably didn't help matters.

sunny · Post #1044 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:13 pm

arbsn wrote:how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

Aside from Barnes, there are a ton of players that the raptors consider before Knight.
Unless the raptors somehow end up getting the 8t+ pick in the draft, you don't have to worry about either of those names.

CunningLinguist · Post #1045 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:13 pm

arbsn wrote:how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

Even though it's great that we're going to be able to see them in a head to head matchup, I wouldn't put too much stock in 1 game. It's dangerous to conclude that one is better than the other on such a small a sample size. I remember when Camby more than held his own vs. Duncan when they matched up once in college. Still fun though.

Brinbe · Post #1046 » by **Brinbe** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:15 pm

arbsn wrote:how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

Maaan, that game and that thread (I'm sure we'll get a new one going by then) will be amazing...

But there's no need for absolutes. I mean, sure, we all have our preferences, but really, any of these guys should help us tremendously going forward.

At this point, I'm more scared of BC going off the board for a Donatas or Jimmer. Sure, that's not rational at all, but this team has conditioned me for the worst. :lol:

CunningLinguist · Post #1047 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:16 pm

sunny wrote:
arbsn wrote:how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

Aside from Barnes, there are a ton of players that the raptors consider before Knight.
Unless the raptors somehow end up getting the 8t+ pick in the draft, you don't have to worry about either of those names.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I would think Knight would be on the Raps radar in the top 5 picks. A young athletic PG with good size that can create and play D with an improving floor game with intelligence and a great attitude - what's not to like?

sunny · Post #1048 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:18 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
sunny wrote:joey graham had amazing defense and questionable offense in college.
Although his D in the nba was by no means amazing, thats definitely not the reason he sucked.

I said it in jest but he's an example of an athletic PF in college converted to SF whose defense didn't end up translating well to the new position. Of course the fact that he had the IQ of a half-eaten grapefruit probably didn't help matters.

I dont want the raptors to draft Dwill for a lot of those reasons (I'd still glady accept him, but its not like im rooting for him to come here). With that said, I hope he goes first overall (or comes back to Zona) and becomes a star in the league.
He is a great person, has done a lot for Arizona and has worked very hard to be where he is today.

God Squad · Post #1049 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:21 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
sunny wrote:
arbsn wrote:how did this board go from absolutely picking Knight to absolutely picking Kemba?

We need to settle this on Saturday once and for all.

Right now IMO, Knight > Harrison Barnes > Walker

Aside from Barnes, there are a ton of players that the raptors consider before Knight.
Unless the raptors somehow end up getting the 8t+ pick in the draft, you don't have to worry about either of those names.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I would think Knight would be on the Raps radar in the top 5 picks. A young athletic PG with good size that can create and play D with an improving floor game with intelligence and a great attitude - what's not to like?

I personally love Knight. He's the pg I want B.C to draft. But I wouldn't be upset if we ended up with Kemba. But I believe Knight has the most upside and is the perfect pg. He will need to develop more. But he's at the perfect age and has the perfect pg body/height.

TheRealDeal · Post #1050 » by **TheRealDeal** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:22 pm

I HATE to make this comparison because I know Williams is a different level of talent, but I can't help but notice the similarities between D-Will & Marcus Fizer. Fizer was an undersized 4 who dominated smaller players in college, but showed signs of being a potential NBA 3. They thought his perimeter skills would translate to the NBA but he ended up being an undersized 4. He led Iowa State to a Big 12 regular season title, Big 12 tournament and an Elite Eight NCAA tournament finish which lead to him being selected 4th overall by the Chicago Bulls. His career was hampered by knee problems but he still never lived up to the college hype. Here's an NBADraft.net scouting report of Fizer written before the draft.

NBA Comparison: Charles Barkley

Strengths: Super strong and athletic. Mentally tough. Great competitor. Can score both in the post or on the perimeter. Has very good ball handling skills. Versatility will allow him to play some small forward. His strength, positioning, and leaping ability will help overcome height disadvantages for rebounds. Excels in half court or open court despite lack of speed. Has good quickness. A winner.

Weaknesses: A bit short for the PF position. Not extremely fast in the open floor.

A true warrior, Marcus Fizer has turned the Cyclones into a legit possible Final Four team. Combining great strength and athleticism with a nice shooting touch, Marcus looks as close to Charles Barkley as any player since. Exhibiting super leaping ability and body control, Fizer excels both on the break or in a half court set. Like Sir Charles, Marcus has a certain attitude that he brings to every game that he will not be denied. When a game is on the line Marcus wants the ball in his hands and has come up big late in games throughout his career.

Some people were comparing Blake Griffin to Fizer before the '09 Draft so that should calm your worries about the comparison.

CunningLinguist · Post #1051 » by **CunningLinguist** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:25 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:I HATE to make this comparison because I know Williams is a different level of talent, but I can't help but notice the similarities between D-Will & Marcus Fizer. Fizer was an undersized 4 who dominated smaller players in college, but showed signs of being a potential NBA 3. They thought his perimeter skills would translate to the NBA but he ended up being an undersized 4. He led Iowa State to a Big 12 regular season title, Big 12 tournament and an Elite Eight NCAA tournament finish which lead to him being selected 4th overall by the Chicago Bulls. His career was hampered by knee problems but he still never lived up to the college hype. Here's an NBADraft.net scouting report of Fizer written before the draft.

NBA Comparison: Charles Barkley

Strengths: Super strong and athletic. Mentally tough. Great competitor. Can score both in the post or on the perimeter. Has very good ball handling skills. Versatility will allow him to play some small forward. His strength, positioning, and leaping ability will help overcome height disadvantages for rebounds. Excels in half court or open court despite lack of speed. Has good quickness. A winner.

Weaknesses: A bit short for the PF position. Not extremely fast in the open floor.

A true warrior, Marcus Fizer has turned the Cyclones into a legit possible Final Four team. Combining great strength and athleticism with a nice shooting touch, Marcus looks as close to Charles Barkley as any player since. Exhibiting super leaping ability and body control, Fizer excels both on the break or in a half court set. Like Sir Charles, Marcus has a certain attitude that he brings to every game that he will not be denied. When a game is on the line Marcus wants the ball in his hands and has come up big late in games throughout his career.

Some people were comparing Blake Griffin to Fizer before the '09 Draft so that should calm your worries about the comparison.

Charles Barkley was the standard comparison for any undersized reasonably athletic power forward back in the day. Just like how any multi-skilled small forward gets compared to Scottie Pippen.

TheRealDeal · Post #1052 » by **TheRealDeal** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:48 pm

Myck Kabongo comes 2nd in the Skills challenge @ the Jamfest for the McDonalds game. Michael Carter-Williams (Syracuse) won in a scorching 26 seconds. Jay Williams called Myck the best pure PG in the class.

DreamTeam09 · Post #1053 » by **DreamTeam09** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:02 am

At worst I think Perry Jones will still be available for us even if we end up as far back as 8th which could be a steal for us...

redred9 · Post #1054 » by **redred9** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:05 am

With all the Bargnani trade rumours about to heat up, I really think Colangelo (if he's our GM) will take a good long look at Jonas V. as our future starting centre. Honestly if the guy projects as Tyson Chandler without the injury concerns, that's not a bad fit at all on our club.

That is if Derrick Williams and Kyrie Irving are off the board. I do think those two will be studs. Some of the other prospects scare me a little..

Harrison Barnes- looks great, but reminds me of Shane Battier more than anyone else.
Kemba Walker- Is going to look tiny next to this generation's NBA point guards. How much better is he going to get?
Brandon Knight- has all the natural tools but is he even a point guard? He is ALL shot first from what I've seen.
Perry Jones- Could be an all star, could be outta the league in five years.

With Jonas V his floor is probably a bigger, more athletic Biedrins when he was healthy. We would still be badly in need of a play maker, but aside from the top two I think all the prospects could potentially have serious holes in their game at the next level.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1055 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:06 am

Damn, Kyle Wiltjer can shoot. Nice form on his shot.

TheRealDeal · Post #1056 » by **TheRealDeal** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:09 am

Quin Cook loses the 3-pt shootout by 1. A UK recruit (Wiltjer) was clutch and nailed the final 3 balls to win. Cook & Rivers continue to push Kyrie out the door. It's hard to image all three of them in the Duke back-court next year.

TheRealDeal · Post #1057 » by **TheRealDeal** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:14 am

slam dunk contest coming up next. Austin Rivers & LeBryan Nash are two of the competitors.

Steely Reserve · Post #1058 » by **Steely Reserve** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:17 am

I repeat, if Perry Jones is there @ #4 or #5 then 75% of the GMs who passed on him need to be fired.... period. And if The Raps pass on him, the BC needs just sign his walking papers and be done with it.

Let's take a step back here...

Perry Jones is clearly the most talented player in the draft, one who will athletically rate significantly superior than Derrick Williams, IMO. I believe the combine will showcase Perry has better ball handling ability, shooting mechanics and versatility with the shot, explosiveness off one foot, two-feet, and the dribble.

At the moment, Williams plays with better leverage and strength, but if you want him to play small forward, those attributes don't compare to the athletic talents of Perry.

Can't wait till Perry shuts down sh*t. The Williams love is getting out of hand. I read on another board someone call him a new-age Len Bias. LMAO.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1059 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:19 am

That was sick by Marshall Plumlee

TheRealDeal · Post #1060 » by **TheRealDeal** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:23 am

1st dunk of the contest was a pretty nice DeRozan "show stopper" impersonation. Plumlee had the dunk of the contest so far with a sick windmill. The Canadian is up now, they said his favorite team is the Raptors.