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[Game #72] Dallas Mavericks (51-21) @ Phoenix Suns (36-35)

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Re: [Game #72] Dallas Mavericks (51-21) @ Phoenix Suns (36-35) 

Post#261 » by Coogi » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:21 pm

While I don't blame Gentry for front office moves, and maybe not even for starting Vince for so long.. As it may have been a order from ownership.. I DO blame him for his other crappy lineup moves.

That said, you can't make the playoffs /every/ year, and at least this year was interesting. I like the pieces we picked up along the way.. Gortat and Brooks. Def like the Suns chances next year if they keep Nash and don't make any more bone headed moves in the front office (which is saying a lot I know).

Besides, by next year, Violet will be too obese to run up and down the floor and F the suns.
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Re: [Game #72] Dallas Mavericks (51-21) @ Phoenix Suns (36-35) 

Post#262 » by JasonDaPsycho » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:30 pm

Problem: The bench.
Our offense with the bench is painful to watch. They can't play any defense either whereas last year we have a bench so full of energy which alone murdered everyone.
God it still hurts...
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Re: [Game #72] Dallas Mavericks (51-21) @ Phoenix Suns (36-35) 

Post#263 » by visions » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:40 pm

OMG I am so sick of losing to the Mavs!!!!

We just blew a close game against them AGAIN. Seems like we always lose to them, especially in important games.

Whatever happens in the offseason I just hope next year we can actually beat these douchebags. I hate them as much as the Lakers.
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Post#264 » by Herman4MVP » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:58 pm

RunDogGun wrote:I thought Gentry was doing a good job last year. He made in game adjustments, subbed in offense for defense, and put some confidence in young players. He seemed to learn from what D'Antoni did wrong, and maxed out what he did right.

But in the end, he seemed to have forgotten all of that this year, making terrible or late adjustments, leaving players in the game, who had no business being there, and often took hot shooters out of the game, only to go back to the cold ones, until it was too late. He has blown leads, calls a timeout, and then proceeds to keep trying the same players that lost the lead. He started Carter for way too long, and gave us such a slow starting line u, which gave us slow starts in many first and third quarters.

So now it seems more like it was the players that gave us the team we loved last year, not Gentry.

Overall, Gentry cost us more games with his terrible job this year. I am really not sure why people don't see it. I don't hate him, but he sure did suck it bad this year. He sould have fought to keep Lou, and he should have either made sure we didn't sign Warrick, or start him if he was to be our Amare-lite.


Like I posted months ago - WHY on earth does no one really question Alvin's performances? I still don't get it...in my mind he blew this season by letting Carter and Lopez start for so long. NOW he decides to change the starting five. Yeah, right...

I like him and I don't mind him staying as assistant but we need a real HEAD coach IMO.
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Post#265 » by ma_falaa_50 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:08 pm

gentry tried his best to have a successful lineup without a traditional roster. The front office managed to eff up a team full of chemistry into a team filled with bad apples. First losing amare and replacing him with hedont and hakim. Then trading J-rich for Vince also last year there were no team altering trades like this year. First he had to find a way to incorporate Hedont then Carter then dealt with the lose of channing frye our only PF. I do see him being able to make channing play both ends a good thing. Last season channing was not as good. Alvin deserves more credit that grief. The reason he couldnt figure out a good lineup this season because the guys just didnt have that chemistry like last season. I think the difference in how the team has changed can be exemplified by dudley. Dudley was consistent with his contributions last season but he has benn a hit or miss this season and thats not gentry's fault.
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Post#266 » by Saberestar » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:58 pm

I think Gentry is a good coach, of course not the gratest head coach or near Popovich`level.
If you see the big picture, ths season was played in June/July, when Amare gone.That is all.
You can´t make that decision if you want an elite team, because Phoenix needed Amare.
We only have role players and Steve Nash in that moment. 36-36 is fair.
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Post#267 » by Miklo » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:01 pm

King Of Wang wrote:
Mac1 wrote:btw dont compare nash to stockton..its an insult to a well rounded game.

and i never said anything about those guys not being great...opposite infact..re-read

michael jordan is a video game. Steve nash is a 1 dimensional point gaurd who has forced us to play just 1 way..attack and HOPE the other team scores less..uhuh doesnt work that way

tell me one team thats won a championship where the franchise player doesnt have defensive ability apart from d wade(his defence isnt bad btw)..past 15 years..go on

game set match

go away

you are a joke man, YOU need to seriously gtfo if u are going to be this brainless. a defense is made up of FIVE....count them....FIVE players. Nash may not be helping the defense that much but u are severly overrating the impact. just look at boston, ray and pierce were never good defensive players and yet boston is always the best D in the league because they have a good TEAM defense and have other good defensive players, ie: kg, perk and rondo

so my point is that yes, nash is not great at the defensive end individually but if we had a half-decent owner who wasnt cheap and stupid as dirt, who would also give nash some defensive players, and a better defensive coach, we could have had some solid defensive teams to go along with our NBA best offense that is all because of some guy named STEVE...idk if u heard about him


i am done trying to talk common sense into a peanuts head..


Just quoting this because you're both in it but you both crossed the line with multiple posts in this thread. Please talk about basketball only, if you have to completely ignore some posters do it but personal attacks aren't taken lightly around here.
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Re: [Game #72] Dallas Mavericks (51-21) @ Phoenix Suns (36-35) 

Post#268 » by JeffC7535 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:41 pm

Mac1 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Mac1 wrote:
Nash has been our centerpiece for years and hes the reason why we havent won..if we create a team FOR NASH then we wont win.We may play good and look great doing it..but we wont win.

plain and simple.

is that so hard to understand?


Even forgetting the supporting ensembles ...

Let's talk about coaches a few Hall Of Fame players have had the opportunity to work with.

Nash?

Jordan?

Kobe?
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Post#269 » by Sun Scorched » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:13 pm

I get everyone's stances on Gentry, I simply don't agree with them.

All Gentry can do is REACT to what is happening on the court, and face it, we are generally the less talented team in most scenarios making us the team that has to react to other game plans. That's not easy.

You all seem to forget that in years past we have been the team that has imposed our will and gameplan onto other teams. That means from night to night you're not having to change your game plan for matchups. Yao Ming is playing? **** it, SSOL. The other team is playing with 4 guards? **** it, SSOL.

Well we're past that now. Gentry does have to react to Phil's lineup changes. Add to it that our roster has been in constant flux since the offseason. They said it last night, Dudley is the only guy to have played every game this season for the Suns. Nash is the only true SSOLer left.

So what are your expectations? To take a page out of the professional world, let's attempt to manage those expectations.

Expectations Needing Management

Gentry Sucks - Does he? Or are we out of scape goats? It seems to me that fans attempting to find a common theme behind our digression are pointing to the only existing constant between each game - the coach. Instead, we should point to non-existing constants like (a) performance (b) personel and (c) passion.

Carter Sucks - If this shocks you, well my soul hurts for you. Also, if there is any doubt in your mind that Gentry isn't being forced to play Carter for trade value purposes, you're close to being a waste of fresh 02.
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Post#270 » by visions » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:14 pm

It's an absolute joke to say Nash is overrated.

Every season with the Suns he's had to deal with player changes (and of course 3 different coaches) but this season alone where there have been the most changes yet (not to mention the most mismatched group yet), he is still leading the league in assists. Let's not forget he's doing it without his no.1 option anymore in Amare.

Plus he's only you know, 37 years old...with a bad back.

Also despite the front office screwing him over with consistenly poor player moves, he still leaves it all on the floor every single game and hasn't given up on his teammates like so many other superstars seem to be doing these days.

If anything, I would almost say he is underrated.
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Post#271 » by BurningHeart » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:02 pm

Good post, Scorched. I don't know if anyone's using Gentry as a scapegoat but rather pointing out his deficiencies. I'm not horribly anti-Gentry myself, but like I said, his limitations were even shown last year.

And Agreed regarding Nash being UNDERrated. For what he's been able to do with all the flux and problems, all without bitching once.....just remarkable and inspirational.
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Post#272 » by Sun Scorched » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:41 pm

Imagine:

PG - Nash / Dragic
SG - Dudley / Pietrus
SF - Hill / Childress
PF - Stoudemire / Amundson
C - Gortat / Frye

Trade Lopez for a pick.
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Post#273 » by RunDogGun » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:36 am

Gentry has sucked this year, in many games. There is no need to call him a scapegoat, he just did a half arse job often this year. Again, I liked what he did last year, with the young guys and some of the offense to defense rotations he did, but that is like these Carter homers bragging about years past. I have to look at what he has done this year. Carter started too long, and Chill just sat and watched. When the team needed energy and hustle, he would ride out the same guys that didn't bring that hustle in the first place. Too often Gentry would continue to try and get blood from a stone. If you didn't see that, bummer. Bottom line, Gentry lost us a bunch of games this year. :(
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Post#274 » by JohnVancouver » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:27 am

visions wrote:It's an absolute joke to say Nash is overrated.

Every season with the Suns he's had to deal with player changes (and of course 3 different coaches) but this season alone where there have been the most changes yet (not to mention the most mismatched group yet), he is still leading the league in assists. Let's not forget he's doing it without his no.1 option anymore in Amare.

Plus he's only you know, 37 years old...with a bad back.

Also despite the front office screwing him over with consistenly poor player moves, he still leaves it all on the floor every single game and hasn't given up on his teammates like so many other superstars seem to be doing these days.

If anything, I would almost say he is underrated.


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Post#275 » by rsavaj » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:13 am

He's underrated and underpaid, but this year showed he's getting a little old. He's 37 and we're expecting him to be the player he was when he was 30. He looks like it, sometimes...a lot of the times, really, but you can see the difference in the 4th.

Man, that's making me sad.
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Post#276 » by JohnVancouver » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:43 am

we're still riding him like he was youngster - last year we got to where we had a second string that came in en masse, held and extended leads, and sometimes saved us when we were down - Nash got a ton f rest, and knew when he was going to get a chance to catch his breath, which has to help - he could budget his energy

Quite honestly, we f****d that up. We didn't put back anything, really, to replace what we lost in Stat, and we broke up the second unit

and here we are
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Post#277 » by Calvin Klein » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:17 pm

Did anybody notice he is back leading the league in assists? That's insane. Remember, no Amare. He had/has to deal with Lopez and Earl Barron for a big part of the season.


Underrated and underpaid for sure.
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Post#278 » by Risensun » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:14 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Did anybody notice he is back leading the league in assists? That's insane. Remember, no Amare. He had/has to deal with Lopez and Earl Barron for a big part of the season.


Underrated and underpaid for sure.

Phenomenal. There's no other allstar, great scorer, or even good scorer on the team and he leads the league in assists with a group of ragtag role players.

You take Nash off this team and you have one of the worst teams/lineups in the league. Considering what he's working with I'd say this team overachieved. Yay to Nash and the rag tag group he worked with who gave it their all this season. Boo for the people who gave us this $%#@ roster to begin with.
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Post#279 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:48 pm

Risensun wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:Did anybody notice he is back leading the league in assists? That's insane. Remember, no Amare. He had/has to deal with Lopez and Earl Barron for a big part of the season.


Underrated and underpaid for sure.

Phenomenal. There's no other allstar, great scorer, or even good scorer on the team and he leads the league in assists with a group of ragtag role players.

You take Nash off this team and you have one of the worst teams/lineups in the league. Considering what he's working with I'd say this team overachieved. Yay to Nash and the rag tag group he worked with who gave it their all this season. Boo for the people who gave us this $%#@ roster to begin with.


I have to applaud this 'glass half-full' attitude, even though i feel obliged to point out that, if indeed the glass is half-full, it's because Sarver pissed in it
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