Why don't we talk about Kleiza anymore?

Kashy_Tigray · Post #101 » by **Kashy_Tigray** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:05 pm

666 wrote:
dacrusha wrote:Kleizas knee issues are a long-term problem... he had been playing with them back in his Olympiakos days as noted by this article (it's in Greek, but easily translatable):

here

In other words, BC signed damaged goods, which is exactly reminiscent of the Nate Huffman affair.

He looked great at the world's though. That tournament, in addition to the preparation, was like a two month affair.

Kleiza needs to lose weight so he can gain back some of his mobility from his Denver days. That will also put a little less pressure on his knees. Now with microfracture though, one can only hope he returns to this previous summer's form.

Hopefully he fully recovers. Kleiza is a fun player to watch, when he is not used as a primary or secondary scoring option after Bargs.

666 · Post #102 » by **666** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:22 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:It's a lot easier to look great in international play than it is to look great in the NBA. Rasho was just euroleague MVP, for example.

Rasho was MVP for like the week/month lol... he did not a seasonal award. Kleiza was the leading scorer in the Euroleague overall.

I'd also argue that there is a significant difference between the Euroleague and international competition. Kleiza was 1st team all tournament with guys like Kevin Durant and Luis Scola. Yea it's a diff game but he still very good.

It's unfortunate that many Raptor fans are evaluating him from this season considering they were witnessing a seriously injured guy play.

Comeatme_Bro · Post #103 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:30 pm

LOL can't believe he actually thinks bargnani had a better 2nd year than DD. You just can't argue with someone that blind. HEY BUDDY, BARGNANI ACTUALLY REGRESSED FROM HIS 1ST YEAR. If you judge DD's 2nd year based on his team's record then what does that mean for Bargnani who is supposedly our leader and leading us right to the lottery? Unbelievable double standards.

666 · Post #104 » by **666** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:40 pm

Comeatme_Bro wrote:LOL can't believe he actually thinks bargnani had a better 2nd year than DD. You just can't argue with someone that blind. HEY BUDDY, BARGNANI ACTUALLY REGRESSED FROM HIS 1ST YEAR. If you judge DD's 2nd year based on his team's record then what does that mean for Bargnani who is supposedly our leader and leading us right to the lottery? Unbelievable double standards.

Yea because barely better stats on a team that has only won 20 games has the same value.

Jordan Crawford scored 39 last night for the Wizards. His stats in March are pretty solid. Does that make him better then Derozan? Probably not when you adjust the minutes and team circumstances.

Come at me bro lol. And why are you using caps... you getting emotional? Emotions make a man cry. :lol:

Comeatme_Bro · Post #105 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:47 pm

666 wrote:
Comeatme_Bro wrote:LOL can't believe he actually thinks bargnani had a better 2nd year than DD. You just can't argue with someone that blind. HEY BUDDY, BARGNANI ACTUALLY REGRESSED FROM HIS 1ST YEAR. If you judge DD's 2nd year based on his team's record then what does that mean for Bargnani who is supposedly our leader and leading us right to the lottery? Unbelievable double standards.

Yea because barely better stats on a team that has only won 20 games has the same value.

Jordan Crawford scored 39 last night for the Wizards. He's stats in March are pretty solid. Does that make him better then Derozan? Probably not when you adjust the minutes and team circumstances.

Come at me bro lol

That year we had a better team. You probably didn't notice since you were busy watching your euroleague. We had Bosh, TJ, Jose, Parker. This year we have Bargs and DD and once every 10 games Jose. Funny how you disregard DD's solid sophomore season due to his team's record, but when Bargnani scores 20 you go all groupy on him despite him leading the team in minutes and shots. Please, stick with your euroball.

YOU JUST GOT SHOT DOWN MA BOY!

666 · Post #106 » by **666** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:47 pm

Comeatme_Bro wrote:That year we had a better team. You probably didn't notice since you were busy watching your euroleague. We had Bosh, TJ, Jose, Parker. This year we have Bargs and DD and once every 10 games Jose. Funny how you disregard DD's solid sophomore season due to his team's record, but when Bargnani scores 20 you go all groupy on him despite him leading the team in minutes and shots. Please, stick with your euroball.

Obviously we will not agree on this. What you said (underlined) is exactly my point. It is more impressive for Bargs to get 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 ast in 24 minutes on a better team then it is for Demar to average 16.5 pts, 4 rbs, 2 asts in 34 minutes on a very bad team.

Look, Derozan actually has very similar statistics to Kobe's sophmore season (although if adjusted for minutes Kobe pulls away) but that doesn't mean that he will be DeKobe. ABryant got those stats on a loaded team. Getting those numbers on the LA Lakers is far more impressive than if Kobe were to do that on a roster like this year's Raptors. Kobe had to fight for minutes and wasn't spoon-fed minutes like Derozan.

We can agree to disagree. It is what it is and I'll leave it at that. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion on a forum. The thread is about Kleiza anyway lol.

ahson · Post #107 » by **ahson** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:53 pm

I honestly forgot this guy is on our team already.

Dr Positivity · Post #108 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:55 pm

I can't think of any player who needs to be talked about less than Linas Kleiza when he's out till next year

Thelonious · Post #109 » by **Thelonious** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:58 pm

666 wrote:
Comeatme_Bro wrote:That year we had a better team. You probably didn't notice since you were busy watching your euroleague. We had Bosh, TJ, Jose, Parker. This year we have Bargs and DD and once every 10 games Jose. Funny how you disregard DD's solid sophomore season due to his team's record, but when Bargnani scores 20 you go all groupy on him despite him leading the team in minutes and shots. Please, stick with your euroball.

Obviously we will not agree on this. What you said (underlined) is exactly my point. It is more impressive for Bargs to get 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 ast in 24 minutes on a better team then it is for Demar to average 16.5 pts, 4 rbs, 2 asts in 34 minutes on a very bad team.

Look, Derozan actually has very similar statistics to Kobe's sophmore season (although if adjusted for minutes Kobe pulls away) but that doesn't mean that he will be DeKobe. ABryant got those stats on a loaded team. Getting those numbers on the LA Lakers is far more impressive than if Kobe were to do that on a roster like this year's Raptors. Kobe had to fight for minutes and wasn't spoon-fed minutes like Derozan.

We can agree to disagree. It is what it is and I'll leave it at that. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion on a forum. The thread is about Kleiza anyway lol.

Look guys, Bargnani fanboy saying Bargs = Kobe!!! Let's all it out point his logic is flawed!
:lol:

Dr Positivity · Post #110 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:59 pm

Bargnani in his 2nd season was one of the worst NBA players I've ever seen

Comeatme_Bro · Post #111 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:17 pm

666 wrote:
Comeatme_Bro wrote:That year we had a better team. You probably didn't notice since you were busy watching your euroleague. We had Bosh, TJ, Jose, Parker. This year we have Bargs and DD and once every 10 games Jose. Funny how you disregard DD's solid sophomore season due to his team's record, but when Bargnani scores 20 you go all groupy on him despite him leading the team in minutes and shots. Please, stick with your euroball.

Obviously we will not agree on this. What you said (underlined) is exactly my point. It is more impressive for Bargs to get 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 ast in 24 minutes on a better team then it is for Demar to average 16.5 pts, 4 rbs, 2 asts in 34 minutes on a very bad team.

Look, Derozan actually has very similar statistics to Kobe's sophmore season (although if adjusted for minutes Kobe pulls away) but that doesn't mean that he will be DeKobe. ABryant got those stats on a loaded team. Getting those numbers on the LA Lakers is far more impressive than if Kobe were to do that on a roster like this year's Raptors. Kobe had to fight for minutes and wasn't spoon-fed minutes like Derozan.

We can agree to disagree. It is what it is and I'll leave it at that. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion on a forum. The thread is about Kleiza anyway lol.

Did you actually watch the raptors that year? They made the playoffs despite Bargnani. He scored 10 points on 38% shooting. Yea that's very impressive :roll:

. And dude, no one is comparing DeMar to Kobe so I don't know where that came from lol. And going by your logic I guess Jameer Nelson is a better player than John wall since his team is winning. About DeRozan getting spoon fed minutes.....who else is gonna take his spot? That;s hardly his fault. While Bargnani was spoon fed minutes the second he was drafted despite other playings performing better. And btw, you were the one who brought up DD first so lol at that. But yea, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

666 · Post #112 » by **666** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:20 pm

il7mago wrote:Look guys, Bargnani fanboy saying Bargs = Kobe!!! Let's all it out point his logic is flawed!

It's a good thing that I am the one taking the GMAT and not you because your critical reading skills are not too sharp.

The comparison was between Kobe and Demar since they had similar sophomore stats. The point was that even though the numbers were similar it's more impressive in Kobe's case since he had to fight for minutes and touches on such a loaded roster.

zulu · Post #113 » by **zulu** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:48 pm

666 wrote:
il7mago wrote:Look guys, Bargnani fanboy saying Bargs = Kobe!!! Let's all it out point his logic is flawed!

It's a good thing that I am the one taking the GMAT and not you because your critical reading skills are not too sharp.

The comparison was between Kobe and Demar since they had similar sophomore stats. The point was that even though the numbers were similar it's more impressive in Kobe's case since he had to fight for minutes and touches on such a loaded roster.

maybe you should go study instead of replying to every single post on the toronto board. Alright you've posted like 50 times in this thread, we know you love bargnani and kleiza.

Post #114 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:19 pm

We've been talking about this guy for days.

Post #115 » by **Schad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:24 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:We've been talking about this guy for days.

Indeed, I'd say that a full year's worth of attention has been dished Kleiza's way over the past few days. As such, I'd recommend going back to forgetting that he exists -- never mind that he's a member of the Raptors -- until September or October at the earliest, unless we're crafting impossible fantasy trades and need a bad contract as filler.

Reignman · Post #116 » by **Reignman** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:42 pm

666 wrote:It is more impressive for Bargs to get 10 pts, 4 rbs and 1 ast in 24 minutes on a better team then it is for Demar to average 16.5 pts, 4 rbs, 2 asts in 34 minutes on a very bad team.[/b]

LOL, what? You really should stop discussing the Raps cuz you don't know what you're talking about.

Did you watch Bargs in his sophmore year? The guy was pretty much a spot up 3pt shooter getting open shots off the work of others like Bosh, TJ, AP, Jose, etc. He just stood there and took open shots from the perimeter.

Demar has been the 2nd option this season so after Bargs he's the opposing teams focus. Teams have thrown doubles at him this year and he's going up against star shooting guards night in / night out and he's putting up almost 17 pts on 48% shooting.

So a spot up shooter scoring 10 on 38% shooting being fed open shots off the hard work of others is more impressive to than a guy that's having to create for himself and battle the attention of the opposing defense and still putting up 17 on 48%.

You really don't have a clue.

BTW, you know why Bargs only got 24 mins? Because he sucked.

Post #117 » by **Schad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:51 pm

Reignman wrote:
BTW, you know why Bargs only got 24 mins? Because he sucked.

Just because he was a designated shooter who was in the bottom ten in TS% does not mean he sucked. His adenoids were bothering him, dammit!

666 · Post #118 » by **666** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:54 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
Reignman wrote:
BTW, you know why Bargs only got 24 mins? Because he sucked.

Just because he was a designated shooter who was in the bottom ten in TS% does not mean he sucked. His adenoids were bothering him, dammit!

You're all class sir

Basketball_Jones · Post #119 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:55 pm

Wow, this Kleiza fan is crazy!

jrsmith · Post #120 » by **jrsmith** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:02 pm

666 wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:
Reignman wrote:
BTW, you know why Bargs only got 24 mins? Because he sucked.

Just because he was a designated shooter who was in the bottom ten in TS% does not mean he sucked. His adenoids were bothering him, dammit!

You're all class sir

Yup. He undoubtedly exposed you worse than bargnani playing help defense, while giving you an out to reply with an amusingly soft comeback.