Official Transaction Ideas thread

LApwnd · Post #21 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:34 pm

the 1st is coming from us, not getting it from Den....I figured they would need more incentive to take on Blake as his contract is lengthy but he could be a solid vet backup to Lawson.

Jetset · Post #22 » by **Jetset** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:41 pm

lol sorry about that I was a little confused. And I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up as the final trade, if one takes place.

LApwnd · Post #23 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:25 pm

IF Brown and or Barnes opt out or both, whatevers I would love mgmt. to make a run at Grant Hill, dude is 36 and is still a superior player to both Brown/Barnes, more Brown then Barnes overall. IF Bynum continues his stretch w/o injuries he could extend our window that much longer and we could still attract these vets who like that chance at a ring.

Doormatt · Post #24 » by **Doormatt** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:52 am

lakers will need a SERIOUS spark after this season. kobe and pau another year older, artest.... well he's not getting any better, fisher (nuff said).....

if dwight isnt an option, lakers would need smaller upgrades at various positions. SF, backup SG, PG and backup C all need to be adressed.

toney douglas+shawne williams for caracter+brown+2nd rounder would be amazing (assuming brown doesnt opt out). chuck hayes or carl landry would be my choices for a backup big, dont know what kind of contracts they will be worth tho. probably cant get much if anything of value for artest or blake but both should be shopped. ive tried thinking of what team could use either of them and not one comes to mind.

ideally ebanks gets backup minutes if barnes opts out. kid is long, young, athletic and seems to have a decent shot.

Doormatt · Post #25 » by **Doormatt** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:55 am

LApwnd wrote:IF Brown and or Barnes opt out or both, whatevers I would love mgmt. to make a run at Grant Hill, dude is 36 and is still a superior player to both Brown/Barnes, more Brown then Barnes overall. IF Bynum continues his stretch w/o injuries he could extend our window that much longer and we could still attract these vets who like that chance at a ring.

the last thing the lakers need is an old SF who is questionable on defense. we need to get younger and more athletic. grant hill is the exact opposite of that. unless he wants to sign for the vet minimum (which he wont) then no way it happens.

Jetset · Post #26 » by **Jetset** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:13 pm

Doormatt wrote:lakers will need a SERIOUS spark after this season. kobe and pau another year older, artest.... well he's not getting any better, fisher (nuff said).....

if dwight isnt an option, lakers would need smaller upgrades at various positions. SF, backup SG, PG and backup C all need to be adressed.

toney douglas+shawne williams for caracter+brown+2nd rounder would be amazing (assuming brown doesnt opt out). chuck hayes or carl landry would be my choices for a backup big, dont know what kind of contracts they will be worth tho. probably cant get much if anything of value for artest or blake but both should be shopped. ive tried thinking of what team could use either of them and not one comes to mind.

ideally ebanks gets backup minutes if barnes opts out. kid is long, young, athletic and seems to have a decent shot.

One of our main priorities should be shopping Artest this offseason IMO. He's been playing great as of late but next season it's going to be the same old b.s. so we should trade him while his value is high. Someone will take him. Meh I like the thought of trading Blake, Caracter, and multiple picks to Denver for Felton. That'll give us enough of a spark I believe. Howard coming to us shouldn't be overlooked but just know that if we're getting Howard then that means we will have to get rid of Gasol and of course Bynum. Howard will command 20 mil plus, while Kobe will start to get into the 20 mil range, and Gasol will get 19 mil. Unless you want to get rid of Kobe.....

Penberthy · Post #27 » by **Penberthy** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:55 am

IF kobe gets these next 2, I could actually see him going out on top with 7...'12/'13 squad could look like

Felton
OJ
Someone/Walton (yes still under contract)
Pau/LO
Dwight

Kobe is due 28 mil in 12/13

LApwnd · Post #28 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:37 pm

Doormatt wrote:
LApwnd wrote:IF Brown and or Barnes opt out or both, whatevers I would love mgmt. to make a run at Grant Hill, dude is 36 and is still a superior player to both Brown/Barnes, more Brown then Barnes overall. IF Bynum continues his stretch w/o injuries he could extend our window that much longer and we could still attract these vets who like that chance at a ring.

the last thing the lakers need is an old SF who is questionable on defense. we need to get younger and more athletic. grant hill is the exact opposite of that. unless he wants to sign for the vet minimum (which he wont) then no way it happens.

how is he questionnable on D? He was guarding Kobe all of last season and in the WCF, just cause he's old doesn't mean he's washed up......going young isn't always the answer and unlike Ron, Hill can still at least DUNK and or make layups. Hill is no lockdown defender but he isn't much worse then brown/barnes and he would be a backup and at his age I dont see why he would take the vet minimum. The young/athletic position should be needed at PG/back up bigs.....current league now has supper fast PG and super atheltic bigs, which we have neither of at the PG/big position.

Jetset · Post #29 » by **Jetset** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:42 am

Penberthy wrote:IF kobe gets these next 2, I could actually see him going out on top with 7...'12/'13 squad could look like

Felton
OJ
Someone/Walton (yes still under contract)
Pau/LO
Dwight

Kobe is due 28 mil in 12/13

I seriously doubt this scenario. First off I'd say our chances of 4-peating are very slim. Second no way Kobe leaves $28 mil on the table. That's just crazy. Third assuming that in your vision you had us S&T for Howard, there's no way that Odom's expiring or Walton's wouldn't get thrown into the the ORL deal.

Jajwanda · Post #30 » by **Jajwanda** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:25 pm

Barnes will likely stay and the Lakers will see if they can pull off Caron Butler as Shannon Brown's replacement. That would an incredible bench.

Jetset · Post #31 » by **Jetset** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:53 pm

Dallas will definitely be re-signing Caron during the offseason.

Jajwanda · Post #32 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 8:25 am

I wouldn't be 100% sure off of an injury. Same way Ron Artest didn't re-sign with Houston when they had the better offer and all the leverage?

The_Trade_Seer · Post #33 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:04 pm

I think Dwight to the Lakers is a done deal and I'm thinking it happens before the draft ... something like Bynum, Brown (who they would trade to the Bulls for a #1 pick), (2) #2 picks and a future #1 for Dwight, though Orlando will probably start the negotiations by offering Dwight/Hedo and Duhon for Bynum, Artest, Brown, Smith and picks

The big question is whether PJ or at the very least a triangle coach (Brian Shaw?) will be our coach next year or if we'll be bringing in a Larry Brown, Doc Rivers, Coach K, etc. My guess is Shaw but I wouldn't be surprised if Larry Brown begs for the job and gets it either and if that happens we will need a top flight PG.

After the D12 trade I see our lineup looking like this:

PG: Fisher / Blake
SG: Kobe / Barnes
SF: Artest / Walton / Ebanks
PF: Gasol/ Odom / Caracter
C: Dwight/
Picks: (2) #2's

If we keep a tri-coach I can see us signing a vet center to a vet min contract, someone like Kwame or Pryzbilla and drafting a PG and SG in the second round .... Ben Hansborough and LaceDarius Dunn would be great.

If Larry Brown or another PG-happy coach takes over I can see them trying to make a trade for CP3 or Deron, such as Gasol, Blake, Caracater, Ebanks and cash for Deron Williams and Dan Gadzuric. I could then see us using second round picks on a SG and SF like Dunn and Scotty Hopson and throwing a vet min contract or two at PF's, maybe even a full MLE at a guy like Kenyon Martin

Jetset · Post #34 » by **Jetset** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 11:27 pm

lol. I'm the king of pipedreams but I at least try to make pipedreams that are within a reasonable means. Brown is thinking about leaving us in the offseason so that kind of puts an end to your dream right there. If a trade with Orlando happens Odom is gone. I know everyone would like to keep him but it just isn't going to happen. And Orlando would try and successfully dump Hedo on us. You really think NJ trades Deron? Do you really? Gadzuric is a FA in the offseason and I'd want us to either sign him or Pryzbilla to back Bynum. I'm really interested in hearing than plan you have in getting Paul. Also, Manbearpig looks more real than that list of coaches you provided. It's been a while since I've seen one of your outlandish trade scenarios, where you been man?

The_Trade_Seer · Post #35 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:37 pm

Jetset wrote:lol. I'm the king of pipedreams but I at least try to make pipedreams that are within a reasonable means.

I'm not into pipedreams, just realistic scenarios and this is one .... I called the Kwame + Critt for Gasol trade before it happened and am usually pretty dead on with the amount of value included in trades.

Brown is thinking about leaving us in the offseason so that kind of puts an end to your dream right there.

No, not at all ... we can trade Shannon before the draft with no problem but even if we ait and he leaves, a package of Bynum + nothing but picks and cash can land us Dwight ... Dwight will ONLY ok a trade to the Lakers, Knicks or Bulls (he would okay a trade to the Clips but they would have to give up to much so he would just veto it) and the best the Knicks could offer is Amare and garbage which Orlando wouldn't want and Dwight would veto as he knows him + melo + nobody = nothing ... the Bulls could offer Noah and Deng but again that would be vetoed by both Orlando and Dwight ... only the Lakers can offer another stud center and one even younger than Dwight and still give Dwight a stacked team to go win a title with.

If a trade with Orlando happens Odom is gone.

Nonsense.

I know everyone would like to keep him but it just isn't going to happen. And Orlando would try and successfully dump Hedo on us.

I agree they would try though I'm not sure they'd be succesful ... however I wouldn't necessarily be crushed if we swapped Ron for Hedo ... you apparently are calling something like a Bynum+Odom+Artest for Dwight+Hedo+Bass deal and that doesn't sound all that bad to me.

You really think NJ trades Deron? Do you really?

I think Prokhorov would want to kill himself if Deron walks for nothing and he would also only trade Deron to the Western Conference so YES I think there is a realistic shot at us getting Deron, but Deron would have to tell the Nets he won't re-sign with them. The real question would be if we have already traded Bynum for Dwight and KEPT ODOM, do we trade Pau for Deron, do we lose that big-man depth and uber-length to give us a top flight PG and the most dngerous starting 5 ever assembled?

Gadzuric is a FA in the offseason and I'd want us to either sign him or Pryzbilla to back Bynum.

I agree

I'm really interested in hearing than plan you have in getting Paul.

CP3 I think would be the Lakers second choice at PG, firmly behind D-Will as I believe they would have to give up more in trade to land CP# as the Hornets will want to ship him East and because I think Kobe has a better relationship with D-Will and would rather play with him ... however, a swap of Pau+Blake+Caracter+Ebanks+Cash for CP3+David Andersen should bget it done, especially since I really think Paul is getting ready to stiff the Hornets and leave them with nothing to sign with the Knicks.

Also, Manbearpig looks more real than that list of coaches you provided.

Huh? I have no idea who manbearpig is though it sounds like a nickname for George Karl ... Larry Brown has said before he loves Kobe and Odom and I have no doubt he would love to coach the Lakers .... however Brian Shaw is an EXTREMELY REALISTIC choice ... who are your top 5 if PJ leaves?

LApwnd · Post #36 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:01 pm

Jetset wrote:Dallas will definitely be re-signing Caron during the offseason.

you sure bout that? they also have to think bout resigning Chandler, as lose as Cuban is with his contracts, I dont see him shelling out 2 double digit million dollar contract for marginal talents. Its either one or the other.

LApwnd · Post #37 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:06 pm

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I think Prokhorov would want to kill himself if Deron walks for nothing and he would also only trade Deron to the Western Conference so YES I think there is a realistic shot at us getting Deron, but Deron would have to tell the Nets he won't re-sign with them. The real question would be if we have already traded Bynum for Dwight and KEPT ODOM, do we trade Pau for Deron, do we lose that big-man depth and uber-length to give us a top flight PG and the most dngerous starting 5 ever assembled?
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this isn't a video game man, talent on paper dont translate to what owners/gm's want, Pau by then will be 30+ making 20+mill/yr, he isn't going to carry NJ to anything and Prov could easily find some other team willing to give him young talent/picks.

Jetset · Post #38 » by **Jetset** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 8:07 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Jetset wrote:Dallas will definitely be re-signing Caron during the offseason.

you sure bout that? they also have to think bout resigning Chandler, as lose as Cuban is with his contracts, I dont see him shelling out 2 double digit million dollar contract for marginal talents. Its either one or the other.

Yeah I'm sure. IIRC Caron has said that he hopes to stay in Dallas, so I think he'd be opened to taking a slight pay cut to do so. I want Butler here, just don't see it happening.

Jetset · Post #39 » by **Jetset** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 8:38 pm

AI your post was quite amusing and well serves my much needed lulz for the day. I didn't see any realistic scenario in that post therefore they're nothing but pipedreams. Chronic injury plagued Bynum along with a bunch of low first rounders and some cash isn't enough to get Howard alone it's going to take expirings as well. And for you to think Orlando won't require Odom being in the package is well......nonsense. Maybe you should read your first post again, you had us trading Brown to Orlando and now you have us trading him during the draft, which one is it? Unless you think we're going to be trading for Howard during the draft/this offseason, which I wouldn't put past you. Just stop it with the Deron scenario it isn't going to happen. Paul is more likely and he'd actually be my first choice. Idk about your reasoning thinking Kobe would like Deron more, I certaintly haven't read about them having any sort of relationship. Manbearpig is a fictional character that showed up on South Park, but even his ficticiousness seems more real than that list of coaches. The only coaches that'll have a shot at the gig is Rick Adelman, Jeff Van Gundy, Chuck Person and Brian Shaw. That's it. Also lol @ George Karl Manbearpig reference that definitely getting sigged when I have time.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #40 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 4:51 pm

Jetset wrote:Chronic injury plagued Bynum along with a bunch of low first rounders and some cash isn't enough to get Howard alone it's going to take expirings as well. And for you to think Orlando won't require Odom being in the package is well......nonsense.

You guys just never learn. Please think back about what the Grizz got for Pau, the Raps got for Vince, the Cavs got for Lebron and the Raps got for Bosh and understand those were realistic, players have the power type deals. The amount of stuff the idiot Knicks and Nets gave up is not realsitic and was nothing more than the idiocy of two garbage franchises trying to resurrect themselves.

If Dwight tells Orlando, "I'm not re-signing with you next year and I will ONLY sign an extension with the Lakers" the Magic will accept Bynum, cash and picks, period. That is WAY MORE than the Raps, Cavs, etc, got in the real trades above.

Just stop it with the Deron scenario it isn't going to happen. Paul is more likely and he'd actually be my first choice.

Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about.

Idk about your reasoning thinking Kobe would like Deron more, I certaintly haven't read about them having any sort of relationship.

You must not read much. Kobe has always professed his love for Deron's game and has always talked highly of him as a person. He stuck up for Deron loud and fast during the Jerry Sloan fiasco and has referred to him as little Cadilac for years. As for CP# whenever I have seenKobe play Chris he looks like he doesn't like him .... and remember during the Olympics when Paul was supposed to lead the team out and Kobe jumped ahead and did it ... some of Chris' comments have made me think he doesn't really like Kobe either.

Manbearpig is a fictional character that showed up on South Park,

Oh,ok, I had no idea.

The only coaches that'll have any chance are Rick Adelman, Jeff Van Gundy, Chuck Person and Brian Shaw. That's it.

JVG? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd take Larry Brown any day of the week over JVG and so would Kobe! I also don't see Chuck Person as a realistic candidate, not yet anyway, maybe in another 5-10 years with some more experience. Adelman is a good coach but no thanks ... we agree on Shaw.

Also lol @ George Karl Manbearpig reference that definitely getting sigged when I have time.

Hahahaha, oh man, I actually like ole George and think he's a good coach, comparable to Adelman, but that is seriously who popped into my head when you said manbearpig in regards to a coach.

LApwnd wrote:this isn't a video game man, talent on paper dont translate to what owners/gm's want, Pau by then will be 30+ making 20+mill/yr, he isn't going to carry NJ to anything and Prov could easily find some other team willing to give him young talent/picks.

You're dead wrong and you're missing the point entirely. What do you think the Nets will get in trade for a Deron Williams who says, "I will only sign an extension with the Lakers"? They would get half season rental offers from contenders like the Mavs and that's it. Prokhorov took a huge gamble in trading for Deron this year with the thought that by next year's trading deadline the Nets would be sitting strong with a top 4 seed in the East and the idea of Deron being their Brooklyn savior .... well, sorry but I doubt the Nets are even in the #8 spot in the East by next year's deadline and Deron will know that there is no real winning future for him in Jersey or Brooklyn by then and could demand a trade to the Lakers very easily.