College Basketball/March Madness Thread

CoolKids · Post #1461 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:32 am

Kemba Walker isnt any better then toney douglas....and i loath toney douglas. If we gave up any value to get him it would be a mistake

Fury · Post #1462 » by **Fury** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:32 am

He'd like to play alongside Melo but he's not really a Knick fan so I doubt it.

BBALLER4FR · Post #1463 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:52 am

CoolKids wrote:Kemba Walker isnt any better then toney douglas....and i loath toney douglas. If we gave up any value to get him it would be a mistake

From what I've seen Kemba's handle and ability to penetrate alone make him better then Toney Douglas.

Kemba may want to be a Knick to play in the Garden but the fact that he likes Melo lets me know that there is no way this kid commits to the Knicks and only the Knicks over a lottery selection. Melo didn't even help us acquire him. Why would this kid yam up a high guaranteed first contract when his idol (Melo) didn't leave some on the table to help NY? This whole "hometown" thing is overblown. Kemba is not screwing up his first shot at the big time.

atribecalledrch · Post #1464 » by **atribecalledrch** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:55 am

That;s not a good way to enter professional sports. It might have worked for Eli and Kobe but not here. Hmm would you trade Douglas and the idk 16-20th pick for Kemba? Or are we still forbidden to trade this pick?

Post #1465 » by **GONYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:57 am

atribecalledrch wrote:That;s not a good way to enter professional sports. It might have worked for Eli and Kobe but not here. Hmm would you trade Douglas and the idk 16-20th pick for Kemba? Or are we still forbidden to trade this pick?

No.

We need depth, not an undersized 2G

Knicks_Blood10 · Post #1466 » by **Knicks_Blood10** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:58 am

didn't Brandon Jennings also want to be a Knick, until we skipped over him, leading him to cursing us out lol.

atribecalledrch · Post #1467 » by **atribecalledrch** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:00 am

Fury wrote:He'd like to play alongside Melo but he's not really a Knick fan so I doubt it.

How could he be a Knick fan after all the pain and suffering in the past 10 years. When have you heard a top prospect be a fan of a scrubadub team? Their fans of the game and who wins, not who stinks u the place.

RutgersBJJ · Post #1468 » by **RutgersBJJ** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 5:40 am

anyone think Brandon Knight's stock will fall back to where it was before the tourney started and we might be able to get him with our pick? He seems to have shot into the top 10 of DraftExpress' mock draft just off his recent play. Hopefully he or Jones fall to us.

I'm sure the lottery will be how it always is. A ton of teams will make a run on all these overhyped power forwards that every fan always hopes will be the next Kevin Garnett, and hopefully some good guards or wings fall to us.

Post #1469 » by **moocow007** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:06 am

My bet is that the Knicks end up with another local guy that has said he'd "love to play for the Knicks" in a match made in Mike D'Antoni heaven.

Funny thing is that the things that Jimmer can do real well could fit in nicely but the things Jimmer can't do well is also what the rest of this team has problems with as well.

Post #1470 » by **moocow007** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:30 am

One guy that I wouldn't be surprised being a possibility is Justin Harper.

If the Knicks are looking for both size (6'10"), athleticism (he's up there) AND who can hit the outside shot (a la Gallinari) Harper probably is the best fit of anyone in the draft.

For a team that made it the the Sweet 16, Harper averaged 58% from 2 and 48% from 3...and he's a volume shooter.

Per DX...

“The biggest difference with Justin is he's doing all of this at 6-10,” Mooney says. “It's incredible that he has the kind of range and touch that he does at that size, in addition to all the other things he can do. He's clearly one of the best shooters in the country, and again, it's so unique given his size.”

And that's where the tremendous intrigue of Harper's game comes into focus. While the practice of evaluating international prospects with size and skill is an annual practice among NBA scouts, rare is the American college player that presents this kind of package at the high level that the Richmond senior does. While he certainly isn't on the same level as Kevin Durant, it's easy to make the argument that no college player has so closely resembled the current NBA star since he left the University of Texas four years ago.

Harper has shown off an advanced skill set throughout the season, but may have only scratched the surface of what he is capable of from a skills perspective, meaning he could further impress when it comes time for individual workouts.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jus ... z1IX8ZIhaT
http://www.draftexpress.com

Post #1471 » by **moocow007** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:41 am

Here's another tidbit on Justin Harper...

"Justin is one of the most level-headed kids around and very much a team first player," said Richmond coach Chris Mooney. "He would be the last guy to put anything above the team.

"And to be honest, I'm sure I was the first one to tell him [about the NBA]. We've told him since his freshman year. After a difficult practice or game, we'd tell him, 'Justin, you're going to play in the NBA one day.' That's why we're hard on you, and that's why we want you to work hard to be successful. It's been easier for the coaches to see his ability than it has been for him.

"It's undeniable. He's one of the best players around. I just haven't seen many guys as versatile as he is at his size who can have that much impact on a game. He can make a very physical play and the next time he's making a very soft jump shot. He's just impressive."

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/2010/dec/12/harper-its-we-not-me-ar-710245/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkzhW7VIm2c[/youtube]

ManiaX · Post #1472 » by **ManiaX** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 1:08 pm

Justin Harper seems like the perfect fit for our system. It seems like he wants to make the transition to the 3 spot though. I wish he was a stronger rebounder as well.

I wouldn't be mad or surprised if Walsh bought a late first to select him, but I would prefer a big that could provide us with more defense and rebounding. He would be a nice replacement if we can't get Shawne Williams to return.

ManiaX · Post #1473 » by **ManiaX** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 1:17 pm

Does anyone know more about Xavi Rabaseda from Spain?

He reminds me of Rudy Fernandez. Not as polished or as good right now but than again Rudy spent a few years in Europe before coming over. He would be a nice prospect to buy a pick in the 2nd round and to leave over seas for a season or 2.

From Draftexpress

Rabaseda stands out amongst this year's crop of European prospects first and foremost because of his intriguing physical profile. Standing 6-5 without shoes, with an excellent frame, he looks the part of an NBA wing, and plays like one too. Fluid and mobile, Rabaseda has a nice first step and shows the ability to play above the rim, taking the ball strong to the basket and often finishing with an emphatic dunk. Fuenlabrada has a couple of lob plays they like to run for him and, although he won't be competing in a dunk contest any time soon, he's definitely a lot more explosive than your typical European shooting guard.

Rabaseda is much more than just a one-dimensional spot-up shooter. He is also able to create shots for himself effectively, showing a quick first step, good body control and a fair amount of creativity putting the ball on the floor. Highly aggressive in the way he attacks rim, he's not afraid to drive right down the middle of the lane and finish strong in traffic, drawing quite a few free throws in turn.

He's an excellent ball-handler for his size, and he can create and finish shots with either hand, showing great flair, particularly in transition, where he truly excels. He has good vision finding teammates off the dribble, resulting in some excellent drive-and-dish plays this season. Offensively, he has all the tools needed to play shooting guard in the NBA.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Xav ... z1IYm1aQmS
http://www.draftexpress.com

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP4fAYgioyw[/youtube]

hobojoe2131 · Post #1474 » by **hobojoe2131** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 4:01 pm

REVOLVER wrote:
hobojoe2131 wrote:You said he plays like a midget mike. That's just false. You should just own up to your comment, admit it was dumb and move on, instead of attacking every poster who acknowledges the fact that it was dumb.

i attacked one poster who attacked me. i responded cordially to you before you got personal. and own up to what? like its a stretch to say that the way he's played this season. how about you stop fishing for a pawn. how about that.

Ok, you're right. I shouldn't have responded like I did. But you understand that Kemba is a 5'10 scoring point guard and Jordan is the greatest shooting guard of all time. I understand you mean that they attack the basket the same way, but there are a number of better comparisons, such as Tim Hardaway as MP pointed out.

TrueWarrior · Post #1475 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:07 pm

Justin Harper would be great off the bench here. Dudes a senior so he should be NBA ready 2 go and hed pretty much take Chandler's role as a 3/4 hybrid. Very similar games too although Harper is taller and not as good a shotblocker. However from watching him play his motor is pretty low. Hes not the greatest defender, rebounder, or hustle player. He plays more like a SF than PF. So basically I wouldnt mind picking him up with a later pick but if hes all we walk out with I would be pretty bummed. We have to start getting some gritty defensive players around Amare and Melo, and Harper is the furthest thing from that even if hes versatile and can score.

Who would you guys rather have? Harper, one of the Morris twins, or Ken Faried? All PFs expected to go anywhere from 15-30. Faried wouldnt fill the 6th/7th man offensive roles that Harper or one of the Morrises would, but he would be all out hustle, energy, toughness, defense, and rebounding. Im torn. This draft is going to be very interesting. I honestly think we will pick Jimmer though. Get ready :lol:

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hobojoe2131 · Post #1476 » by **hobojoe2131** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:19 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Justin Harper would be great off the bench here. Dudes a senior so he should be NBA ready 2 go and hed pretty much take Chandler's role as a 3/4 hybrid. Very similar games too although Harper is taller and not as good a shotblocker. However from watching him play his motor is pretty low. Hes not the greatest defender, rebounder, or hustle player. He plays more like a SF than PF. So basically I wouldnt mind picking him up with a later pick but if hes all we walk out with I would be pretty bummed. We have to start getting some gritty defensive players around Amare and Melo, and Harper is the furthest thing from that even if hes versatile and can score.

Who would you guys rather have? Harper, one of the Morris twins, or Ken Faried? All PFs expected to go anywhere from 15-30. Faried wouldnt fill the 6th/7th man offensive roles that Harper or one of the Morrises would, but he would be all out hustle, energy, toughness, defense, and rebounding. Im torn. This draft is going to be very interesting. I honestly think we will pick Jimmer though. Get ready .

I'd rather have Harper. He reminds me much more of Shawne Williams than Wilson.

Post #1477 » by **Flaming Mo** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:20 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Justin Harper would be great off the bench here. Dudes a senior so he should be NBA ready 2 go and hed pretty much take Chandler's role as a 3/4 hybrid. Very similar games too although Harper is taller and not as good a shotblocker. However from watching him play his motor is pretty low. Hes not the greatest defender, rebounder, or hustle player. He plays more like a SF than PF. So basically I wouldnt mind picking him up with a later pick but if hes all we walk out with I would be pretty bummed. We have to start getting some gritty defensive players around Amare and Melo, and Harper is the furthest thing from that even if hes versatile and can score.

Who would you guys rather have? Harper, one of the Morris twins, or Ken Faried? All PFs expected to go anywhere from 15-30. Faried wouldnt fill the 6th/7th man offensive roles that Harper or one of the Morrises would, but he would be all out hustle, energy, toughness, defense, and rebounding. Im torn. This draft is going to be very interesting. I honestly think we will pick Jimmer though. Get ready .

Jimmer would be a horrible horrible pick, cant tell you how upset I would be...

To your question, I would take one of the Morris twins. We need players who can play on both sides of the ball, they are solid post defenders and very skilled offensively. Great rebounders too. We just cant afford to play someone like Faried for more than 15 minutes and as much as I like his hustle and heart, we need two way players...

TrueWarrior · Post #1478 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:24 pm

^ Is that a good or bad thing that he reminds you of Shawne? Lol.

Like I said I wouldnt mind Harper with a later pick. Hed give us nice scoring off the bench which is just as big a need for us than anything, but I hope we get somebody else too. Id actually go with one of the Morris twins though.

Reggie Jackson is another guy I have my eye on.

What about Zeller? He plays no D either but it cant hurt to have a 6'11 guy who can score on your team.

Post #1479 » by **Flaming Mo** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:31 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:^ Is that a good or bad thing that he reminds you of Shawne? Lol.

Like I said I wouldnt mind Harper with a later pick. Hed give us nice scoring off the bench which is just as big a need for us than anything, but I hope we get somebody else too. Id actually go with one of the Morris twins though.

Reggie Jackson is another guy I have my eye on.

What about Zeller? He plays no D either but it cant hurt to have a 6'11 guy who can score on your team.

Big fan of Reggie Jackson and size would be nice of course. But we really need a center and as of now it seems we will only have guys at the backup PF spot available. As we've seen in recent years though backup bigs are very valuable, especially if they are skilled and play both sides of the ball.

hobojoe2131 · Post #1480 » by **hobojoe2131** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 8:50 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:^ Is that a good or bad thing that he reminds you of Shawne? Lol.

Like I said I wouldnt mind Harper with a later pick. Hed give us nice scoring off the bench which is just as big a need for us than anything, but I hope we get somebody else too. Id actually go with one of the Morris twins though.

Reggie Jackson is another guy I have my eye on.

What about Zeller? He plays no D either but it cant hurt to have a 6'11 guy who can score on your team.

A little bit of both. Harper would give us a stretch 4 that spaces the floor, and that's always welcome. I'm not so sure about his d or rebounding though.

And pass on Zeller. We ned a center who can rebound and defend, not another scorer.