(Ron Ron and Gasol Update) Bynum Fires Back At Amare

NYK0605 · Post #61 » by **NYK0605** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:41 pm

At least Bynum knows how to rebound.

thehandler3 · Post #62 » by **thehandler3** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:42 pm

j4remi wrote:
thehandler3 wrote:
j4remi wrote:
Let's not exaggerate about how bad those teams were. They had Bonzi Wells when he was still a pretty good player, Shane Battier before we appreciated his intangibles and Jason Williams when he was praised as White Chocolate.

Amare is a better player in my opinion but let's be fair. Those Grizzlies teams were not very good (I mean seriously your bring Wells and Battier as there best players?) Pau was the sole reason why those teams sniffed the playoffs. Yeah they didnt do anything but for the sake of fainess, Amare had a similar team (probably even better team) this year before the trade and we would have most likely been bounced out the first round just like Pau in an inferior conference to how good the West was back then.

The problem is a lot of cats on the boards forget how good those cats were thought to be. Battier is the perfect glue player but when it suits the conversation, he's nothing. Wells was always a good scorer and contributed to those teams whether you want to acknowledge it or not. They had a good passing PG in J-Will and on top of that Mike Miller playing some of his best ball. Like I said, those teams weren't completely awful. It's not that Pau was on a world beater team, but he had plenty of pieces around him helping out and contributing. Just being honest here, his team was solid.

I remember those guys. They weren't bad players, Wells was a decent scorer and Battier was coming into his own but for example in 2006 they had CHUCKY ATKINS STARTING at PG. An old Eddie Jones was their third leading scorer and was their second leading scorer in the playoffs. Miller was playing good ball but he was still only a 13 point scorer and was second on their team. J-Will had turned down the white-chocolate act by then but was an average to above average PG at the time. Those teams weren't very good. The only reason they made the playoffs was because of Pau.

Post #63 » by **j4remi** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:45 pm

thehandler3 wrote:I remember those guys. They weren't bad players, Wells was a decent scorer and Battier was coming into his own but for example in 2006 they had CHUCKY ATKINS STARTING at PG. An old Eddie Jones was their third leading scorer and was their second leading scorer in the playoffs. Miller was playing good ball but he was still only a 13 point scorer and was second on their team. J-Will had turned down the white-chocolate act by then but was an average to above average PG at the time. Those teams weren't very good. The only reason they made the playoffs was because of Pau.

See but that's all I'm saying. They weren't bad players. They were better than most of KG's Minne teams. They were better than Paul Pierce's C's for the most part. It's a bit of revision to act like those teams were god awful. They weren't bad, they just weren't clearly good either. I didn't realize Chucky Atkins started in '06 though...I thought they got Mighty Mouse sans White Chocolate...or was that before?

thehandler3 · Post #64 » by **thehandler3** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:48 pm

TKF wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Pau Gasol is no "main interior defensive cog".

It's funny that no one remembers but it was well known that the best way to get Gasol off his game while he was in Memphis was to hit him and play him physical early in the game.

Whether Stoudemire should have shut up or not is a whole other story but Gasol is no "stalwart" defensively nor a physical player by any means.

exactly, plus amare was asked about a quote about pau.. the quote was not originally from amare.. He agreed that pau is soft, but also said that he is a good player.. everyone skips that part and is ready to jump on amare.... the truth is pau is tissue paper soft.. his brother is a more physical player than he is by a mile...

Gasol is a WAY better defender than Amare, its not even close. He's not as easily physically imposed in the post like Amare is. You guys saying Pau is soft are living in the past. Did you watch the finals last year? In a lot of those games, particularly game 7, Bynum played virtuall no minutes in the second half and Gasol was left as the sole big man and did a damn good job. He had 18 rebounds in the deciding game. He's not one to be easily pushed around and doesn't shy away from contact anymore. If this was two years ago, I would agree with you guys but Pau earned my respect the last two seasons.

thehandler3 · Post #65 » by **thehandler3** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:53 pm

j4remi wrote:
thehandler3 wrote:I remember those guys. They weren't bad players, Wells was a decent scorer and Battier was coming into his own but for example in 2006 they had CHUCKY ATKINS STARTING at PG. An old Eddie Jones was their third leading scorer and was their second leading scorer in the playoffs. Miller was playing good ball but he was still only a 13 point scorer and was second on their team. J-Will had turned down the white-chocolate act by then but was an average to above average PG at the time. Those teams weren't very good. The only reason they made the playoffs was because of Pau.

See but that's all I'm saying. They weren't bad players. They were better than most of KG's Minne teams. They were better than Paul Pierce's C's for the most part. It's a bit of revision to act like those teams were god awful. They weren't bad, they just weren't clearly good either. I didn't realize Chucky Atkins started in '06 though...I thought they got Mighty Mouse sans White Chocolate...or was that before?

Mighty Mouse played like 27 games that year and didn't play in the playoffs, I guess he got hurt. Bobby Jackson was the backup. Regardless we'll agree to disagree on how good those guys were. I mean if Mike Miller/Bonzi Wells are your second options, your not winning jack in the playoffs. Lorenzon Wright was playing Center. I mean these guys weren't terrible at the time but that roster flat out isn't getting it done in the playoffs which is why I dont understand why Pau got so much crap for those teams failing. They went up against Dallas when they went to the Finals and San Antonio twice. What was he supposed to do with those guys as his supporting cast.

EchelonNYK · Post #66 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:55 pm

Amare block shots, that's enough for me.

EchelonNYK · Post #67 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 2:55 pm

NYK0605 wrote:At least Bynum knows how to rebound.

Become a Lakers fan then. We don't diss our own here, homie.

I_Love_NYK · Post #68 » by **I_Love_NYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:00 pm

echelonNYK wrote:Amare block shots, that's enough for me.

So I suppose allowing guards walk in to the paint for easy layups is acceptable to you from Amar'e, or grabbing 1 rebound in a game. Just because you block shots does not make you a good defender.

EchelonNYK · Post #69 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:01 pm

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EchelonNYK · Post #70 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:02 pm

He's one of the leaders here, and one of the big reasons why the Knicks are about to make the playoffs in about a decade. Show some respect

Some of you Knicks don't appreciate anything these days.

NYK0605 · Post #71 » by **NYK0605** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:03 pm

echelonNYK wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:At least Bynum knows how to rebound.

Become a Lakers fan then. We don't diss our own here, homie.

Sorry that im not a complete homer and there is nothing wrong with what Bynum said.

He's just backing up his own player even if he is soft. I would expect thesame if someone said something about one of our guys.

frogfood · Post #72 » by **frogfood** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:03 pm

echelonNYK wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:At least Bynum knows how to rebound.

Become a Lakers fan then. We don't diss our own here, homie.

If that's the case change your sig.

EchelonNYK · Post #73 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:12 pm

It's ok to support what Bynum said, but then don't reply "At least Bynum knows how to rebound". That's weak dude.

EchelonNYK · Post #74 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:13 pm

frogfood wrote:
echelonNYK wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:At least Bynum knows how to rebound.

Become a Lakers fan then. We don't diss our own here, homie.

If that's the case change your sig.

Never

TKF · Post #75 » by **TKF** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:14 pm

The problem is a lot of cats on the boards forget how good those cats were thought to be. Battier is the perfect glue player but when it suits the conversation, he's nothing. Wells was always a good scorer and contributed to those teams whether you want to acknowledge it or not. They had a good passing PG in J-Will and on top of that Mike Miller playing some of his best ball. Like I said, those teams weren't completely awful. It's not that Pau was on a world beater team, but he had plenty of pieces around him helping out and contributing. Just being honest here, his team was solid.

EXACTLY REMI.... all of a sudden pau had "nothing".. mike miller, jayson williams and Bonzi wells were all in their prime and good ball players... They just had a soft leader in pau, and at one time I though pau was one of those tough euro players until that playoff series vs amare's suns... the last play of the game in which the suns eliminated the grizzlies Q rich tossed pau's soft shot attempt out of there... haha..Q!!

NYK0605 · Post #76 » by **NYK0605** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:18 pm

echelonNYK wrote:It's ok to support what Bynum said, but then don't reply "At least Bynum knows how to rebound". That's weak dude.

Ok...

Amare, I love you but could you maybe try and learn how to rebound.

xxrainnn · Post #77 » by **xxrainnn** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 3:50 pm

Pau and Blake Griffin are the only PFs I'd currently rather have over Amare. You people saying that Pau is soft or Amare is better are out of your minds. After the Lakers lost to the Celtics a couple of years ago Pau has plugged in the one leak in his game which was being soft. He's just as efficient as Amare in scoring (with a back to the basket game), a WAY BETTER passer, rebounder, defender (on and off the ball). Honestly the only advantage I see Amare having over him is being more explosive and finishing around the rim better, especially with contact. Without Pau the Lakers would be nowhere near as successful as they've been in recent years.

garrick · Post #78 » by **garrick** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 4:05 pm

The media likes to make a big deal out of something that isn't really a big deal in the first place.

ball teacher · Post #79 » by **ball teacher** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 4:18 pm

The reason OKC got Perkins is to deal with Pau Gasol, the reason Portland got Camby was to deal the Laker size, the reason Boston got Shaq and J 'Oneal is to deal with the Lakers size. Pau aint a banger but he's effective and without him Kobe doesn't win a championship. Amare's point is not not valid, and Bynum saying Pau is a two time champion means, this is a starting all star center who has won back to back titles as a major piece of the puzzle, what has Amare done?

omerome · Post #80 » by **omerome** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 4:20 pm

ball teacher wrote:The reason OKC got Perkins is to deal with Pau Gasol, the reason Portland got Camby was to deal the Laker size, the reason Boston got Shaq and J 'Oneal is to deal with the Lakers size. Pau aint a banger but he's effective and without him Kobe doesn't win a championship. Amare's point is not not valid, and Bynum saying Pau is a two time champion means, this is a starting all star center who has won back to back titles as a major piece of the puzzle, what has Amare done?

More than Adam Morrison and yet he's won two titles.

It's not fair to compare the two because of what they won in the past. Bynum definitely doesn't have room to talk because until he stays healthy, what he says is just as bad as what Amar'e insinuated.