Contracts for Thornton & Dalembert

Bac2Basics · Post #1 » by **Bac2Basics** » Sun Apr 3, 2011 11:09 pm

What do you think the Kings should offer to Thornton & Dalembert to try to keep them?

I'm thinking........

Dalembert - 3yr $23.5 million
Thornton - 4 years $13.25 million

SacKingsPejaFan · Post #2 » by **SacKingsPejaFan** » Sun Apr 3, 2011 11:35 pm

I guess "what offer would keep the guys" is a different question from "what our initial offer should be." I think your Dalembert offer is enough to seal the deal and it's probably close to the most I'd offer. I think Thornton will be a little more expensive if the league has paid any attention to what he's done since he's arrived in Sacramento. If Thornton commands 5-6M/yr that really wouldn't surprise me.

longfellow44 · Post #3 » by **longfellow44** » Sun Apr 3, 2011 11:40 pm

I think that is about right for Dalembert, but I think that Thornton will get a bit more than that. His pay check I think will start around 5 mil per.

Post #4 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:24 am

No way in hell are we getting Thornton for less than 3.5mil per year. Not even close. With the way he's been playing, I'll be happy to get him below 7 per.

Sam is an interesting case. We can talk all we want about how good he has been at times, but we have to not make the mistake of forgetting that it's a contract year. Sam hasn't gone through his whole career being known as a great attitude, hard worker that he has been this year. That's not a coincidence.

At the same time, we won't be the only team that wants him. Fortunately, unless we have a good offer for a S&T, we should be able to offer him significantly more than teams like Miami, Boston, etc. So we should count on that. I think we should start at around 8mil a year for 3 years and negotiate from there maybe.

The Webb · Post #5 » by **The Webb** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 1:21 pm

Is this a serious question?

Thornton, a guy who has played like a top 5 shooting guard to end the season isn't going to be signed for part of the MLE.

Get ready to pay 7-8 a season I would think.

boogie-reke · Post #6 » by **boogie-reke** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 4:25 pm

Can't see us having to pay more then 5-6 mil for him tbh.

Dally just needs to want to sign with us, cause as far as money I think we'll be alright..think we'll offer him something like 8mil.

The Beam King · Post #7 » by **The Beam King** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 5:12 pm

Marcus Thornton - See contract of Wesley Matthews which is still bargain basement if you ask me.
Samuel Dalembert - See Marcus Camby

king125 · Post #8 » by **king125** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 7:07 pm

Dally-7-8 mill a year
Thornton- 6-7 mill a year

both these guys like their situation with the Kings. Someone would have to majorly overpay to steal them away. I would let Dally go before Thornton though. Tyreke, DMC, MT23 are major pieces moving forward.....everything else on the roster is ehhhh

Silver Man · Post #9 » by **Silver Man** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:33 am

king125 wrote:Dally-7-8 mill a year
Thornton- 6-7 mill a year

both these guys like their situation with the Kings. Someone would have to majorly overpay to steal them away. I would let Dally go before Thornton though. Tyreke, DMC, MT23 are major pieces moving forward.....everything else on the roster is ehhhh

I'd rather let Dally walk than fork out 8 million for him as solid as he would be for us.

Krle_12 · Post #10 » by **Krle_12** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:03 am

Some serious low balling happening in this thread!

Look athe market value guys, you can't have good players for dirt cheap unless they are on their rookie contract.

Defensive Cs like Dalembert are the highest payed players outside of stars. A shooting guard like Thornton is looking a contract similar to Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry etc...

If we offer our players the sort of money that some of you are proposing, we will NEVER be a contender. We will be Clippers and lose all the good talent that we aquire along the way.

Bac2Basics · Post #11 » by **Bac2Basics** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:22 am

Krle_12 wrote:Some serious low balling happening in this thread!

Look athe market value guys, you can't have good players for dirt cheap unless they are on their rookie contract.

Defensive Cs like Dalembert are the highest payed players outside of stars. A shooting guard like Thornton is looking a contract similar to Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry etc...

If we offer our players the sort of money that some of you are proposing, we will NEVER be a contender. We will be Clippers and lose all the good talent that we aquire along the way.

And if we overpay for inflated contract year numbers that the players don't maintain, we'll be the Knicks under Isiah Thomas

Thornton has put up incredible numbers since he's been here, but it's basically come out of nowhere. If we give Thornton $30 million or something and he never puts up numbers like this again, well, it's going to cause a pretty big problem

Dalembert as well has put up numbers that no one can be sure he's going to be able to repeat, plus he's been in the league significantly longer than most of the guys we'd consider the new core of the team (Evans, Cousins) so even though I think most Kings fans are interested in resigning him, he can't be thought of as a long term solution. Additionally, even if the Kings resign Dalembert, he's going to play a consistently reduced role with the development of Cousins, and Whiteside for that matter.

Post #12 » by **KF10** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:25 am

^^

Last year, Thornton averaged 20+ with GOOD %s when he filled the role of the primary scoring option when Paul went down. I think he showed enough to everyone that he can score effortlessly.

sackings916 · Post #13 » by **sackings916** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:40 am

I think Thornton gets something similar to what Wes Matthews got last offseason, maybe with an extra year.

Krle_12 · Post #14 » by **Krle_12** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:09 am

Bac2Basics wrote:
Krle_12 wrote:Some serious low balling happening in this thread!

Look athe market value guys, you can't have good players for dirt cheap unless they are on their rookie contract.

Defensive Cs like Dalembert are the highest payed players outside of stars. A shooting guard like Thornton is looking a contract similar to Ben Gordon, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry etc...

If we offer our players the sort of money that some of you are proposing, we will NEVER be a contender. We will be Clippers and lose all the good talent that we aquire along the way.

And if we overpay for inflated contract year numbers that the players don't maintain, we'll be the Knicks under Isiah Thomas

Thornton has put up incredible numbers since he's been here, but it's basically come out of nowhere. If we give Thornton $30 million or something and he never puts up numbers like this again, well, it's going to cause a pretty big problem

Dalembert as well has put up numbers that no one can be sure he's going to be able to repeat, plus he's been in the league significantly longer than most of the guys we'd consider the new core of the team (Evans, Cousins) so even though I think most Kings fans are interested in resigning him, he can't be thought of as a long term solution. Additionally, even if the Kings resign Dalembert, he's going to play a consistently reduced role with the development of Cousins, and Whiteside for that matter.

Err that could not be any further from the truth!

Firstly if you cannot see the major difference between where we are at and where Knicks were at under Thomas then your credibility is taking a big hit here.

Once you have the major ingredients to be a contender, you spend the money. Thats once you have young or experienced start to build around. We have those stars in Cousins and Evans and we have just about everything else needed to be a genuine contender and we should spend to keep it.

With all due respect if you have watched Thorton only in his time with the Kings then you really need to watch more. The kid is a born scorer. He proved it last year when he carried the load for the Hornets when Paul went down with injury. He has scored at this level every time he is given a chance. His production with the Kings is no surprise to those who are familiar with his game. He is not doing anything different than when he was a starter getting major minutes last year with the Hornets as a rookie.

Dalembert is a proven veteran who is producing below his career numbers and is still having a major impact on this team. Outside of stars that you build around, defensive shot blocking bigs are the next most important team for a contender. Just take a look at the Celtics post trade deadline when they shipped Perkins out.

Both of these guys are worth a heck of a lot more than you are suggesting. Low balling them will not bring them back and in fact, that tactic might push away the stars that you are trying to build around because you are not prepared to spend more to make them a contender for years to come.

And please don't even suggest for a moment that Cousins will ever be a defensive presence like Dalembert. He will never be a shot blocker not a defensive presence that Dalembert is. They are both perfect complement for each other and should be kept at all costs.

As for Whiteside, he is yet to show that he can walk and talk at the same time in terms of basketball ability. There is no doubt that he is showing potential but I can guarantee you that he is at least 2-3 years away from starting to contribute at this level if at all. He certainly won't be the first nor last 7 footer that has shown great potential only to be a major flop in this league. If you are pinning all your hopes on Whiteside well you might be disappointed as this team is closer to contending than Whiteside is to contributing in a meaningful manner to NBA team.

OGSactownballer · Post #15 » by **OGSactownballer** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:28 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:Marcus Thornton - See contract of Wesley Matthews which is still bargain basement if you ask me.
Samuel Dalembert - See Marcus Camby

This, I would say, is spot on for Thornton.

However, I am in agreement with the majority here when we say that Daly is NOT worth overpaying. In reality although he is a defensive big, I just don't see him as more than a rotation player on a playoff/contender team, and thus you do not want to break the bank to keep him. Granted that bigs like him will command atleast $8 million/per for 3-4 years just because you ALWAYS have to pay for size. But there ARE also other options out there for this including the possibility of finding a younger guy who is becoming the NEXT Daly or Camby (journeyman big who plays good "D" and rebounds and always earns his $$$).

Post #16 » by **pillwenney** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:16 pm

Bac2Basics wrote:

And if we overpay for inflated contract year numbers that the players don't maintain, we'll be the Knicks under Isiah Thomas

Thornton has put up incredible numbers since he's been here, but it's basically come out of nowhere. If we give Thornton $30 million or something and he never puts up numbers like this again, well, it's going to cause a pretty big problem

It's really not that out of nowhere. He did this in college and in his rookie year. He would have done it in NO this year if he got the time. The guy is just a flat out great scorer, and if we low-ball him that drastically, a whole bunch of teams are going to throw the MLE at him, and many with capspace will offer him more. You can mark that down.

If he continues the way he has been, a contract at around 7mil a year would actually be a bargain.

Krle_12 · Post #17 » by **Krle_12** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 2:09 am

pillwenney wrote:
Bac2Basics wrote:

And if we overpay for inflated contract year numbers that the players don't maintain, we'll be the Knicks under Isiah Thomas

Thornton has put up incredible numbers since he's been here, but it's basically come out of nowhere. If we give Thornton $30 million or something and he never puts up numbers like this again, well, it's going to cause a pretty big problem

It's really not that out of nowhere. He did this in college and in his rookie year. He would have done it in NO this year if he got the time. The guy is just a flat out great scorer, and if we low-ball him that drastically, a whole bunch of teams are going to throw the MLE at him, and many with capspace will offer him more. You can mark that down.

If he continues the way he has been, a contract at around 7mil a year would actually be a bargain.

Spot on!

Thornton will be paid this off-season and so will Dalembert. They are both quality NBA players. Throton is a flat out scorer who does more than just score (rebounds and passes and can handle the ball)

Dalembert is elite at what he does and for anyone that says he is no more than rotation player on a good team has not been watching the NBA for the past 8 years. He has been one of the best rebounders and shot blockers per minute since he entered the league. In a contending team, he is a key player. He is a defensive specialist who produces a double double per 30 minutes. Thats elite. He is also one of the best shot blockers going around. There is only one potentially better player than Dalembert in the FA (as a defensive C) and thats Chandler. But when you consider that Chandler spends more time in medical room than on the court, give me Dalembert any day of the week.

Both Dalembert and Thronton are integral parts of this team and both should be re-signed and to re-sign them, we need to give them a market value contract, not some low balling offer as some are suggesting (eg MLE money)

kevin44 · Post #18 » by **kevin44** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:51 pm

I wouldn't spend any money on Dalembert. This team is going no where for years & I would rather see them invest in a younger player with some upside. Thornton I wouldn't mind seeing back if the price is right. The Maloofs are tight with the money, so don't be surprised if they don't resign either of them.

Post #19 » by **pillwenney** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 8:03 pm

All young teams need vets to help them reach the next level. Dally has plenty of good years left. He's not going to lose any length over the next couple of years.

orangeparka · Post #20 » by **orangeparka** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:07 pm

Dalembert has played pretty well with Cousins. He's not 30 yet, and big men usually have a few years in their 30's at a prime level. He could be a terrific veteran for a young team like the Kings, and could be a big expiring/backup C in his late years. I'd keep him.