Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

MEDIC · Post #581 » by **MEDIC** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:24 am

JamesNaismith wrote:Funny that no analysts support this hype you feel.

I think you'll see his name mentioned over the next little while as a possible 1st round draft pick should he declare. :wink:

In fact, I have no doubt.

bballsparkin · Post #582 » by **bballsparkin** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:28 am

I do not want the Raps to draft Kemba with our pick. He reminds me of a cross between TJ and Ben Gordon. Although not a bad player, I'd rather the Raps take a chance on a game changer who can actually have a defensive presence.

Garmfay · Post #583 » by **Garmfay** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:29 am

bballsparkin wrote:I do not want the Raps to draft Kemba with our pick. He reminds me of a cross between TJ and Ben Gordon. Although not a bad player, I'd rather the Raps take a chance on a game changer who can actually have a defensive presence.

+ 1. He reminds me of TJ Ford too much.

MEDIC · Post #584 » by **MEDIC** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:29 am

PRESTIGE wrote:Lamb is physically way too weak for the NBA right now. To me he seems like Austin Daye but not as polished.

If you drafted Lamb, you be drafting him because of upside. He'd be a little bit of a project.

Perry Jones & Jonas V are also much to weak for the NBA at this time, but that isn't stopping people from projecting them as lottery picks.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he'd be a starter in the NBA right away.

Listen Naismith......I'm not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape. I see a kid that has pretty good physical attributes & skill that match an NBA SG. What's wrong with that? I'm not the only one.

JamesNaismith · Post #585 » by **JamesNaismith** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:36 am

MEDIC wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:Funny that no analysts support this hype you feel.

I think you'll see his name mentioned over the next little while as a possible 1st round draft pick should he declare.

In fact, I have no doubt.

Really? You have some inside info that everyone else is missing....for I don't know months?!?

Do I call you Mr. Ford or is Chad ok?

Seriously don't try to push your opinion as validated on what you speculate may happen. The FACT is he isn't projected as a lotto pick this year or NEXT. Again I don't like be @ss about it but you guys get too excited over any slight sign of "potential"...it would be terrible if we dug up previous years draft threads or even the other 5 threads on this year's one.

MEDIC · Post #586 » by **MEDIC** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:43 am

JamesNaismith wrote:Really? You have some inside info that everyone else is missing....for I don't know months?!?

Do I call you Mr. Ford or is Chad ok?

Seriously don't try to push your opinion as validated on what you speculate may happen. The FACT is he isn't projected as a lotto pick this year or NEXT. Again I don't like be @ss about this but you guys are making yourselves look like one.

How are we making ourselves look like asses? You're the one acting like an immature prick. Throwing a little temper tantrum for no reason.

There are lots of posters that agree with us (it's not just me).

Here's another thread for ya (it's not just Raps fans):

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1056972&start=45

JamesNaismith · Post #587 » by **JamesNaismith** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:04 am

MEDIC wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:Really? You have some inside info that everyone else is missing....for I don't know months?!?

Do I call you Mr. Ford or is Chad ok?

Seriously don't try to push your opinion as validated on what you speculate may happen. The FACT is he isn't projected as a lotto pick this year or NEXT. Again I don't like be @ss about this but you guys are making yourselves look like one.

How are we making ourselves look like asses? You're the one acting like an immature prick. Throwing a little temper tantrum for no reason.

There are lots of posters that agree with us (it's not just me).

Here's another thread for ya (it's not just Raps fans):

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1056972&start=45

I'm throwing a temper tantrum because I'm saying your claims are far fetched?! Lol puhlease. Not only did I make it clear twice that I'm not trying to be hard about it so I'm obviously not upset as much as I'm amused how fickle some of you are. I also stated several times that it wasn't just you that I thought needed to ease off the moment with Lamb as most posters have a terrible tendency of doing by putting this into perspective (ie Kemba one man team all year until now). I have no personal agenda here lol its just too many posters get caught up in a moment, I believe now is one of those times for reasons stated.

Also posting a thread does anything but legitimize thread when none of it has any professional perspective hence majority of this board hating the idea of drafting Holiday last year, now loving him and hating Steph Curry before the NYK hype. Just look it up....not been the sharpest bunch for predicting talent.

fredericklove · Post #588 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 6:47 am

Garmfay wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:I do not want the Raps to draft Kemba with our pick. He reminds me of a cross between TJ and Ben Gordon. Although not a bad player, I'd rather the Raps take a chance on a game changer who can actually have a defensive presence.

+ 1. He reminds me of TJ Ford too much.

TJ can't shoot and too quick. Don't know if anyone agrees with me, he reminds me of Nate Robinson.

toka · Post #589 » by **toka** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 10:05 am

Fans are way too reactionary.

After a good game Kemba is incredible and after a bad game Kemba is just a small shoot-first PG. He just led an unranked preseason team with 4 relative unheralded freshmen (no McD AAs), and 2 sophs in its rotation of 7 to a national title. That's leadership.

One thing about Kemba. If we draft him, he would become the biggest fan favorite as soon as he gets here. More so than JYD or Popeye or Alvin Williams. You will all love him to death. He always finds a way to improve his game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRee4tjXjXY

Watch him in HS take on grown men at Rucker Park.

luvtheteam · Post #590 » by **luvtheteam** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:06 pm

Kemba looks like a great kid, a winner and a leader. His game translates expecially well to the NBA as the floor will open up some as the defenses get spread. his lightening quick moves will draw a lot of guys in. He's just going to make everyone a lot better. Butler focused on him last night and closed off all the lanes everytime he had the ball, as well as blanketing him away from the ball. But he still got the job done when he needed to. He looked exhausted to me in the last half of the 2nd half. I'd love him in Toronto for sure. I guess we just wait now and see how the balls bounce!

TiKusDom · Post #591 » by **TiKusDom** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:16 pm

luvtheteam wrote:Kemba looks like a great kid, a winner and a leader. His game translates expecially well to the NBA as the floor will open up some as the defenses get spread. his lightening quick moves will draw a lot of guys in. He's just going to make everyone a lot better. Butler focused on him last night and closed off all the lanes everytime he had the ball, as well as blanketing him away from the ball. But he still got the job done when he needed to. He looked exhausted to me in the last half of the 2nd half. I'd love him in Toronto for sure. I guess we just wait now and see how the balls bounce!

5-19 and 0 assists, quite the job. I wonder how he will do against faster, quicker, longer defenders in the NBA...

SDM · Post #592 » by **SDM** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:22 pm

He could do the same as Tim Hardaway or the same as Raymond Felton or the same as TJ Ford or the same as Earl Watson. His size isn't going to deter him. He either has the talent or he doesn't. But I'll tell you this, his body is as NBA ready as any player available in the draft. Yes, he's a couple inches too short, but he's stocky and strong. We already know about his speed.

Baseline Runner · Post #593 » by **Baseline Runner** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:47 pm

I really think the Raps could use T Jones. His rebounding, shot blocking and defense, at both the SF and PF spots, would compliment Bargs well. He's also good at attacking the basket and passing.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #594 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 1:55 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:I really think the Raps could use T Jones. His rebounding, shot blocking and defense, at both the SF and PF spots, would compliment Bargs well. He's also good at attacking the basket and passing.

by that description he sounds like a younger James Johnson. I was higher on Terrence earlier in the year but I think he's fallen off quite a bit, and that there's simply better prospects available.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #595 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:32 pm

Here's some of the measurements of the players at the Hoop Summit:

Bismack Biyombo
Weight: 243 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'7.75"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'9"
Wing Span: 7'7"
Body Fat: 4.8%
Standing Reach: 9'3"

Lucas Nogueira
Weight: 218 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'10"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'11.5"
Wing Span: 7'5.5"
Body Fat: 7.8%
Standing Reach: 9'3"

Kevin Pangos
Weight: 181 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'0"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'1.25"
Wing Span: 5'11.5"
Body Fat: 5.2%
Standing Reach: 7'7"

Kyle Wiltjer
Weight: 224 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6'8.25"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'9.25"
Wing Span: 7'0"
Body Fat: 11.3%
Standing Reach: 8'10"

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201 ... z1IetTHdkJ

Bismack looks like an interesting prospect with the kind of size and length that he has (he's only 6'9" in shoes, but he weighs as much as Dwight did when he entered the league and has a massive standing reach/wingspan). Bebe also has good size, although he is very light at 218lbs. Both are known for their defense/shotblocking. It will be interesting to see where they end up in the draft.

JamesNaismith · Post #596 » by **JamesNaismith** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:33 pm

While I don't like drafting EITHER Knight or Walker with a top 5 pick, if I had to choose it would be Brandon Knight pretty easily. I think Kemba's measurements will turn out to be shorter then stated at the combine, I don't think he will be the stud he is now against MUCH better PGs in the NBA and his age....

Knight is already in the conversation against him is still a couple years behind in development, he came in with more potential, has much better height to cause problems at the point for opposing guards BUT I strongly believe he will be a lot more like Lou Williams then Westbrook or Rondo which makes me feel he's not worth a top 5 pick.

Post #597 » by **YogiStewart** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:35 pm

what a depressing draft class.
wow.

gerrit4 · Post #598 » by **gerrit4** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:35 pm

I must say, watching Kemba in this tournament, I'm still not crazy about a small, shoot first point guard.

But that being said - he's got a killer crossover, and plays with a ton of heart. Every game I saw him diving for loose balls, jumping in the stands, outworking every player on the floor. Sure, his shooting percentages weren't' great, but he did everything in his power to will his team to a victory.

RaptorReloaded · Post #599 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:39 pm

Im down for drafting Perry Jones. I think chances are he will most likely have a pretty bad rookie year but if we gave him time to develope I could see him turning into one hell of a player in 2 / 3 years time. It would help the tank next year which is looking like a solid draft and our future would be looking quite bright.
The only question is his motor but I'm sure if he's getting reasonable minutes to grow and practices with another young hard working player like DD theres hope that he might possibly reach his potential. The Raps could be a great spot for his career. Again I think his first season would be a disaster in the sense peope will be hoping for 10 + ppg when he might put up say 5 - 8. Which I dont mind for a rookie year but only if he's showing flashes of something great while doing it.

pspot · Post #600 » by **pspot** » Tue Apr 5, 2011 2:43 pm

If there is a lock out I wonder if the Raps could arrange for their pick(s) to head to Europe for a year

Would hate to draft a player like P Jones and then have him sit for a year. The D League is an option to I guess.