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Re: Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two... 

Post#421 » by verbal8 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:00 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i have to say again, i feel like i'm taking crazy pills every time i read the love that Derrick Williams is getting. i really don't see a perennial all-star when i look at him. I see the lovechild of caron butler and antawn jamison, and all the tweenerism goes along with those genetics. He can drain threes but his FT% is still mediocre. He can throw down some thunderous dunks but his shotblocking is suspect. He's got pretty good rebounding numbers, but not NBA PF good (great for a SF). He's definitely a better PF candidate than some of the other tweeners out there like singleton or terrence jones but i don't see a gamechanger by any means. i mean, it's really easy to spot the good ones. Durant, Melo, etc. Collegiate 20/10 freshmen who sweep the POY awards. any other player... we really shouldn't be so quick to automatically label as slam dunks.

I see a lot of similarities between Joe Smith and Derrick Williams. Joe Smith was more of a Center/PF tweener, but they both had relatively low expectations initially, but dominated in college. There definitely have been worse examples of number 1 picks.

On other hand the is a possibility that he is a poor man's Karl Malone.

I think a lot of his NBA success, will depend on his height, reach and if he is done developing physically. If he is 6'6" with an ordinary reach I don't think he will be very successful. However if he is a legit 6'8" with a reach and adds some strength he could be a star.
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Post#422 » by Rafael122 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:30 pm

Smart move by Henson to stay in school. He needs to put on at least 30 more pounds, maybe 20. He's rail thin.
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Post#423 » by Ruzious » Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:47 pm

And Zeller - who averaged 26 points and 9 rebounds a game in the NCAA tournament - maybe the most underappreciated player in college basketball and probably the most skilled 7 foot college player I've seen in years. BTW, NBAdraft.com has 5 UNCsters going 1st round next year - 1-Barnes, 3-McAdoo, 11-Marshall, 21-Henson, and 28-Zeller.

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Post#424 » by nate33 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 1:15 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Smart move by Henson to stay in school. He needs to put on at least 30 more pounds, maybe 20. He's rail thin.

Yeah, he's a guy whose draft stock could improve considerably with a strong junior season. If he ever develops a reliable mid-range jumpshot, he could end up as a top 3 pick. He's ridiculously long and rebounds incredibly well given his lack of heft. That 47% FT% is a big blemish on his resume though. The kid is never going to be a banger in the paint so he needs to develop a respectable perimeter game like Marcus Camby if he's going to excel at the next level.
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Post#425 » by FAH1223 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 2:20 pm

After seeing Hibbert abuse McGee, lets go Kanter guys
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Post#426 » by pancakes3 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 3:28 pm

hegotgame132 wrote:If there was a large pick up game at your local ymca and the talent pool was below average you are saying you would want your pick to be worse?


false analogy. this is more like we're in the middle of a 3-on-3 game and a new guy shows up. he's fat, balding, and wearing a knee brace, so you say to the other guy, hey... you can have this one and we'll pick up the next one, hoping that some former D1 guy fresh out of college is going to be the next guy walking in to play. that or saying, ok you can pick him up and we'll get someone from your team. either/or, the dynamic is a lot more complex than just "oh, i'm going to draft as high as possible even in a weak draft".

also, i hope my call for drafting kanter based on the sole merits that he's a 7 footer has gained some clout after last night's game?
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Post#427 » by Terpman » Thu Apr 7, 2011 4:33 pm

FAH1223 wrote:After seeing Hibbert abuse McGee, lets go Kanter guys


Kanter is looking like the safest pick in the draft for the Wizards. Hope we end up top 3.
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Post#428 » by closg00 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 6:01 pm

Fellow potential high draft picks Harrison Barnes of North Carolina and Derrick Williams of Arizona plan to wait a week or two before announcing their intentions. “Damn.. Everybody leaving today..?! Over two weeks to decide.. No rush,”


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Post#429 » by Dark Faze » Thu Apr 7, 2011 6:38 pm

yeah McGee with his typical I don't give a crap ragequit lack of IQ games...how long are we going to let this frontcourt string us along when we could be focusing on replacing them?

Kanter as a last resort though.
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Post#430 » by thinker07 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 10:32 pm

Both the Morris twins of Kansas sign with an agent - cementing their entry into the draft. According to Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports in his twitter account.

As I've posted earlier in this thread, the more guys go back to school, the more pressure it puts on others to go into the draft. So entries and exits tend to balance out.
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Post#431 » by Illuminaire » Thu Apr 7, 2011 10:44 pm

thinker07 wrote:Both the Morris twins of Kansas sign with an agent - cementing their entry into the draft. According to Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports in his twitter account.

As I've posted earlier in this thread, the more guys go back to school, the more pressure it puts on others to go into the draft. So entries and exits tend to balance out.


Yes, but it's still a net loss for us if some or all of the optimal players for our draft position stay out. Just because a less talented player will fill the gap doesn't mean it's balanced - it means there is less talent available.
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Post#432 » by Hoopalotta » Thu Apr 7, 2011 10:59 pm

For reference, here's that picture of Kanter (#0), Terrance Jones (#3) (and Rod Strickland!!!) again, probably taken in mid to late 2010.....

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The Hoops Summit April 2010 measurements for Kanter were....

Height: 6'10.5
Weight: 255
Wingspan: 7'1

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nik ... -One-3429/

Standing Reach is supposedly 9'1".

Terrence Jones was measured in July of 2009 at the Le Bon Bon camp as being....

Height: 6'8"
Weight: 219
Wingspan: 7'

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/w ... Roster.pdf

Draw whatever conclusions you will.
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Post#433 » by pancakes3 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:04 pm

looks like a +3.125% difference to me.
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Post#434 » by Ruzious » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:11 pm

thinker07 wrote:Both the Morris twins of Kansas sign with an agent - cementing their entry into the draft. According to Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports in his twitter account.

As I've posted earlier in this thread, the more guys go back to school, the more pressure it puts on others to go into the draft. So entries and exits tend to balance out.

You couldn't ask for 2 more solid citizens. Just great attitudes. And they are both physically tough SOB's. Watching them - Marcus is clearly the better more skilled player imo, but Markieff (sp?) is probably the better prospect and had surprisingly good stats. Marcus is a guy who seems to feel very comfortable with the ball in his hands and making plays. But if his wingspan is really only 6'7... that'll limit him to being a 3rd forward, imo.

Kieff really stands out as a defensive rebounder - a NEED for the Wizards. He does have the size and length and athleticism to start at PF. And even though he does not look like the offensive player or shooter his bro is, he was a very efficient scorer. It's just strange, because I think his brother's the better player, but I'd pick him over his brother, because he's more likely going to start in the NBA.
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Post#435 » by Hoopalotta » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:14 pm

pancakes3 wrote:looks like a +3.125% difference to me.


Yeah, but Rod puffs up after a trip to the hot dog stand, so it's hard to put this into context without knowing the details there.
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Post#436 » by Hoopalotta » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:17 pm

Ruzious wrote:Kieff really stands out as a defensive rebounder - a NEED for the Wizards. He does have the size and length and athleticism to start at PF. And even though he does not look like the offensive player or shooter his bro is, he was a very efficient scorer. It's just strange, because I think his brother's the better player, but I'd pick him over his brother, because he's more likely going to start in the NBA.


Yeah, despite our abundance of bigs, there's a certain symmetry there as far as where we're sorely lacking. I wouldn't rule 'kiefer out with the Dirty Bird pick.
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Post#437 » by Ruzious » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:23 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:For reference, here's that picture of Kanter (#0), Terrance Jones (#3) (and Rod Strickland!!!) again, probably taken in mid to late 2010.....

The Hoops Summit April 2010 measurements for Kanter were....

Height: 6'10.5
Weight: 255
Wingspan: 7'1

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nik ... -One-3429/

Standing Reach is supposedly 9'1".

Terrence Jones was measured in July of 2009 at the Le Bon Bon camp as being....

Height: 6'8"
Weight: 219
Wingspan: 7'

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/w ... Roster.pdf

Draw whatever conclusions you will.

Kanter was born on 5/20/92, so he had probably just turned 18 before the measurements. And he likely hasn't shrunk. 2.5 inches taller than Jones looks about right from that picture. No, he's not a 7 footer with great length, but Kanter is a freaking moose - bigger than a semi-moose like Horford. I'd expect when he's full grown, 6'11 270ish will be his ideal playing size. He is not going to be under-sized.
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Post#438 » by Severn Hoos » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:44 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:For reference, here's that picture of Kanter (#0), Terrance Jones (#3) (and Rod Strickland!!!) again, probably taken in mid to late 2010.....

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It's funny - every time I watched Kentucky, my mind associated Woody Harrelson as if he was Kanter. (You know, big "white" guy, burly, rebounder, etc.) Well, Woody looked plenty big against college competition, and Kanter's clearly bigger than him in that photo. So yeah, I think size won't be a problem there.

Honestly, the injury issue would be the biggest concern for me. May be irrational, but then that's life as a Wizards fan...
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Post#439 » by pancakes3 » Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:49 pm

totally agree. the key stat there is 255 as an 18 year old. that's a Center right there. giving up an inch or two isn't going to make a difference as long as you're not easily dislodged.
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Re: Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two... 

Post#440 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Apr 8, 2011 12:54 am

Ruzious wrote:
thinker07 wrote:Both the Morris twins of Kansas sign with an agent - cementing their entry into the draft. According to Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports in his twitter account.

As I've posted earlier in this thread, the more guys go back to school, the more pressure it puts on others to go into the draft. So entries and exits tend to balance out.

You couldn't ask for 2 more solid citizens. Just great attitudes. And they are both physically tough SOB's. Watching them - Marcus is clearly the better more skilled player imo, but Markieff (sp?) is probably the better prospect and had surprisingly good stats. Marcus is a guy who seems to feel very comfortable with the ball in his hands and making plays. But if his wingspan is really only 6'7... that'll limit him to being a 3rd forward, imo.

Kieff really stands out as a defensive rebounder - a NEED for the Wizards. He does have the size and length and athleticism to start at PF. And even though he does not look like the offensive player or shooter his bro is, he was a very efficient scorer. It's just strange, because I think his brother's the better player, but I'd pick him over his brother, because he's more likely going to start in the NBA.



Yeah I would really love to get Markieff with the ATL pick! Him and Chris Singleton are the two that top my list at that pick.


And I don't know... I keep trying to like Kanter, but I don't know. I get the comparisons to Ruland, Bogut, Rony Seikaly, Big Country, and I know it's an obvious need. I still like Derrick Williams or even Barnes more. Maybe it's something about bigs usually need more adjustment period and take longer to develop... I'd rather fill the center void with a vet through a trade.

Williams or Barnes with the 1st pick, and Singleton or Markieff Morris with the ATL pick IMO.
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