Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Silk Wilkes]

I guess one reason why I'm concerned with P.Jones is he averaged one three point attempt every three games and only hit at a 20% rate. I don't think it's good drafting too many guys who struggle from three and hope they will get better. He will improve but to what extent?

WTF I just read this part over. Who the hell cares if he takes 0.3 3-point attempts per game and doesn't make it? All that matters is his 55% on field goals.

[fredericklove]

Have you ever seen him play? And not a youtube highlight pack..I've heard he is more of a power forward. I just feel Kanter may turn out the better player, don't know why.

Don`t want to tease u abit but I felt I had to because ballboy where were you in this draft thread when I was writing posts about every play by play sequence by Perry in every single baylor game of this season. So its actually funny coming from a ballboy saying I only watched his youtube highlight pack and guessing I didn`t watch a single baylor game

Yeah, you *heard* and didn`t watch... did u even watch the games when he played without mr ballhog dunns, like where he handled the point forward duty like going coast to coast from one end to the other end and had the ball in his hand most of the time to initiate plays for others. Guess not.

Lol I was simply asking a question..I thought I could rely on an assistant coach for some info on this kid. Guess not.

Lol maybe thats why i bolded your `Have you ever seen him play?` sentence and briefly answered it and also answered your question about his playing style.

[Steve Urkel]

I guess one reason why I'm concerned with P.Jones is he averaged one three point attempt every three games and only hit at a 20% rate. I don't think it's good drafting too many guys who struggle from three and hope they will get better. He will improve but to what extent?

Its true, his 3pt shot is a concern especially if he got picked by the Raps and your other wing, Derozan, is also a poor 3pt shooter. That's one of the reasons I would prefer Barnes as he's a better fit alongside Demar with his shooting.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Just out of curiosity, if the Raps picked one of the SF's (Barnes or Jones) and traded for a second lottery pick, say #8 and Kemba Walker and Jonas Valanciunas were still on the board, who do you pick if you were BC ,assuming Motiejunas was already picked ?

Jonas, and it's not even close. I'm strongly considering Jonas with our own pick, if he was still there with an additional lotto pick it's a no-brainer imo. Jonas and Ed (with Amir off the bench) could potentially make a very long, athletic, frontcourt with great rebounding, efficient offense, and active interior D. For now, DeMar and Jerryd would be the main scoring options (while Ed and Jonas continue to develop their offensive games), with JJ as a role player/glue guy at SF. Let the kids develop, and who knows, maybe we might get lucky and land a Gilchrist/Q.Miller/LeBryan Nash next year as well.

EDIT: forgot that Jonas would be with a 2nd pick....we could be really, really good with Bayless/DeMar/(Perry/Barnes)/Ed/Val. We have a size advantage at every position, and great speed/length/athleticism, with solid two-way potential from both of our rookies.

[Dr Positivity]

A year ago Greg Monroe was the motivional issues guy.

Was he having motivational issue, I thought the scouts attacked on his lack of motor ability. I was a huge fan of this guy and wanted him on our team so bad a year ago, last year scouts said he has top 5 potential in the draft yet he still didn`t declare and I was upset because our team doesn`t need him but his skillset was just so damn unique especially for his size. There he is now averaging a double double and close to 1 stl 1 blk per game in the last 2 months...damn.

Yeah the red flags issue are inconsistent sometimes, I even mentioned how cp3 had personality issue which was written by the espn scouting article and cp3 so far so good. PJ3 is also being slammed on by the scouts on his lack of motor ability just like greg monroe. But PJ3 has off the chart talent, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would be a consensus number one pick overall if he had the scoring mentality of DWill that goes along with his off the chart athleticism and ball handling ability.

Also on PJIII. Everything I've heard is he's a fantastic person, he's just a softie. The image I get is he's the NBA version of the 20 year old virgin who's too shy to go after women for their looks and is friends with them instead. So he's no Stro Swift or Demarcus Cousins. He's closer to Rudy Gay and Lamar Odom which can still work for a team, just maybe as a 3rdish option

I also think that while motor might be an issue, feel for the court and fluidity is not - and that's a decent sign

I wouldn't take him over Irving or Williams or Kanter, but after that I'm fine with PJIII

[fredericklove]

I guess one reason why I'm concerned with P.Jones is he averaged one three point attempt every three games and only hit at a 20% rate. I don't think it's good drafting too many guys who struggle from three and hope they will get better. He will improve but to what extent?

When you have the potential of Perry Jones many skills come to you easy. All it takes is a bit of work and he could become a decent long-range shooter. I don't want anyone to think I'm on his bandwagon though. If it were me I'd stay away from Perry Jones, I've seen too many of his type fail. I hope I'm wrong.

Realistically I want Barnes at 4th pick if it comes down to him and PJ3.

[Silk Wilkes]

I guess one reason why I'm concerned with P.Jones is he averaged one three point attempt every three games and only hit at a 20% rate. I don't think it's good drafting too many guys who struggle from three and hope they will get better. He will improve but to what extent?

When you have the potential of Perry Jones many skills come to you easy. All it takes is a bit of work and he could become a decent long-range shooter. I don't want anyone to think I'm on his bandwagon though. If it were me I'd stay away from Perry Jones, I've seen too many of his type fail. I hope I'm wrong.

Realistically I want Barnes at 4th pick if it comes down to him and PJ3.

To be fair, I think Randolph just needs PT. But I don't want anyone to think Perry is the next KD or anything. At best he's a 2nd or 3rd option on a contender, while being very passive doing it. So, its likely he could disappear in big games as well.

[fredericklove]

Also on PJIII. Everything I've heard is he's a fantastic person, he's just a softie. The image I get is he's the NBA version of the 20 year old virgin who's too shy to go after women for their looks and is friends with them instead. So he's no Stro Swift or Demarcus Cousins. He's closer to Rudy Gay and Lamar Odom which can still work for a team, just maybe as a 3rdish option

I also think that while motor might be an issue, feel for the court and fluidity is not - and that's a decent sign

I wouldn't take him over Irving or Williams or Kanter, but after that I'm fine with PJIII

yeah he`s definitely not a headcase, I`ve seen his great potential in games and also seen games where he is completely lost on both end. I also think hes the type of guy u really need to defer the ball to in order to be effective on the offensive end, if u dont give him the ball he will just stand there and do absolutely nothing, unless he has the ball in his hands he will get motivated and tries to score in variety of ways...sounds familiar to a guy we know on our team right, demar.

a part of me also wants DWill over PJ3 because DWILL is assertive and will do every little bit of everything if he doesnt have the ball in his hand. And I will take Kanter if we are in the `getting rid of bargnani` direction.

[Steve Urkel]

Just out of curiosity, if the Raps picked one of the SF's (Barnes or Jones) and traded for a second lottery pick, say #8 and Kemba Walker and Jonas Valanciunas were still on the board, who do you pick if you were BC ,assuming Motiejunas was already picked ?

Jonas, and it's not even close. I'm strongly considering Jonas with our own pick, if he was still there with an additional lotto pick it's a no-brainer imo. Jonas and Ed (with Amir off the bench) could potentially make a very long, athletic, frontcourt with great rebounding, efficient offense, and active interior D. For now, DeMar and Jerryd would be the main scoring options (while Ed and Jonas continue to develop their offensive games), with JJ as a role player/glue guy at SF. Let the kids develop, and who knows, maybe we might get lucky and land a Gilchrist/Q.Miller/LeBryan Nash next year as well.

I wouldn't go as far as picking Val with our own top 5, potentially top 3 pick as I really have this feeling that his draft stock is going to lower to have him projected 8-12 as most scouts know that he's definitely a project but who knows maybe he does really well in the workouts/combine which up his value. I still really like him but I would try to make a trade/sign and trade with Barbosa or Reggie to grab another pick for Val.

[tcee]

seriously, did any of you guys watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAk9LvXx ... ture=share

some of the most innovative and nicest dunks ive ever seen. from a highschool competition too.

i watched it too, but anybody else find it kind of funny that sunny posted this like 3 or 4 times over span of 4 pages? hahaha

[5DOM]

Not really concerned with the softness. I think it's almost impossible to be a superstar being soft, but there still have been some very good soft players. Players I have problem with are the ones with bad basketball IQ or cancers. Perry Jones doesn't seem like one.

[RomaniaLuvTR]

it`s time to end this Walker discussions, BC is not that stupid to use a top 3 or 5 pick for him..serious..

He was stupid enough to use a 1st overall pick on Bargnani....

true but he was smart enough not to draft adam morrison or tyrus thomas as a gm like Babcock and fans like u would have done so...

[TDotRep]

I think he takes kyrie if he is there but the thing im afraid of is if kyrie is off the board who would he pick, I think he might take kemba with the 3rd which is scary.

[Tofubeque]

I would rather have either of the centres in this draft than Perry Jones, and that is regardless of draft position.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I think he takes kyrie if he is there but the thing im afraid of is if kyrie is off the board who would he pick, I think he might take kemba with the 3rd which is scary.

With the way Jerryd has been playing lately, I don't think BC would reach that high for Knight/Walker, we have bigger holes at C and SF. If we move down in the lotto and one of them is the BPA, then sure, but with high upside prospects like P.Jones/Barnes/Williams/Kanter/Valanciunas in the mix, I don't see it happening.

[Silk Wilkes]

I would rather have either of the centres in this draft than Perry Jones, and that is regardless of draft position.

I just can't sell myself on him. If we take him I can't say I'd be mad, but I don't think I'd be ecstatic.

[yayotube]

“Take the point, Perry,” Drew said during an intrasquad scrimmage. The scouts looked as if they were going to pop right out of their folding chairs. A near-seven-footer playing point guard? But Jones has the ballhandling skills and court vision to do it, along with the size and explosiveness to play inside and overwhelm most college big men. At certain moments, he looks like a young Magic Johnson, only a little bigger and a lot faster.

Baylor has a drill that requires players to dribble a basketball in each hand from one end of the court to the other and back. They’re supposed to do it in 22 seconds or less — Jones does so in 16 seconds, faster than any of the team’s guards. An assistant coach told me that Jones can dribble the ball from the end line, cross half court with a full head of steam, take one more dribble and get to the rim for a dunk. He is, foundationally, a runner, and sometimes when I watched him, it struck me that if he had taken a different path and trained, say, for the 400 meters, he might have become an abnormally tall Olympic medalist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/magaz ... yer-t.html

That NY Times piece was posted last month but it just sums up his handles/quicks

[DG88]

I would rather have either of the centres in this draft than Perry Jones, and that is regardless of draft position.

Ya Perry Jones doesn't excite me at all. He's got a great NBA body but doesn't have that motor/assertiveness to really try and excel. He seems like a go with the flow type player. He actually reminds me of Bargnani, which scare the bejesus out of me.

[sunny]

seriously, did any of you guys watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAk9LvXx ... ture=share

some of the most innovative and nicest dunks ive ever seen. from a highschool competition too.

i watched it too, but anybody else find it kind of funny that sunny posted this like 3 or 4 times over span of 4 pages? hahaha

A bunch of guys on this forum followed the mcdonalds AA game and were saying how good the dunk competition was.
As a fan of a westcoast team, I cannt support the AA game as their selection process is extremely flawed.
The ballislife game was created to showcase all these westcoast players who should have received much more attention.

Additionally, some of the dunks were just nasty.
I kept posting it because nobody had responded to it and I wanted to see peoples reactions.

You watched it, what were your thoughts?

[Hassassin]

it`s time to end this Walker discussions, BC is not that stupid to use a top 3 or 5 pick for him..serious..

He was stupid enough to use a 1st overall pick on Bargnani....

true but he was smart enough not to draft adam morrison or tyrus thomas as a gm like Babcock and fans like u would have done so...

Bargnani isn't a better pick than Thomas. Thomas has been more productive so far in his career if you look at numbers aside from PPG.