Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1041 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:41 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:Is the 2011 Nike Hoop Summit gonna be televised in Canada?

If not does anyone know a good site where I could watch it?

you can watch it for free on fibatv.com (you'll need to register with them)

raps_aviator · Post #1042 » by **raps_aviator** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:50 pm

Thank you.
If Tim Grover could help Kanter with his athleticism he could be beastly.
Does anyone know his ÙS high schoo stats? I keep reading that he played in the states for I think a year in high school

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1043 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:25 pm

Here's the World Team Scrimmage from the 2010 Hoop Summit. You can see Kanter (#11), Mirotic (#12), CoJo (#8), and TT (#9)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWryo0l5QY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JbY1_p_oA&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttYZGJpeG98&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFll8PQw38k&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fm4K3DvseQ&feature=related[/youtube]

And here's a video of the USA Team Scrimmage before the 2010 Hoop Summit. You can see Kyrie (#5), Barnes (#7), Knight (#11), T.Jones (#8), Marshall (#4), and Sullinger (#13)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7RPyI04kiI[/youtube]

Post #1044 » by **Double Helix** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:54 pm

Given the way the young core of this team is currently shaping up, if Derrick Williams can defend the SF spot I'd love to see him as a Raptor. He finished his freshmen year with the 7th best 3 point shooting percentage of all time. I don't see this David West stuff myself. I'm seeing more of a Shawn Marion type with a better 3 point shot and Blake Griffin's motor and intensity and I think he'd fit right in here.

The question is... can he defend the SF spot adequately or not though... 'cause I'm less sold on him as a traditional 4. I like Ed Davis just fine there.

Post #1045 » by **5DOM** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:58 pm

It was his sophomore season actually, but yeah he's a top 2 talent with chance to go #1 depending on who wins the lottery. He'd be crazy to not declare IMO

Ducksplatt · Post #1046 » by **Ducksplatt** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:40 pm

spade57 wrote:
5DOM wrote:Stuckey is not worth dropping 4 spots for.

I agree, Just seems like a bad idea.

It is not just dropping 4 spots for Stuckey...it is also getting rid of Calderon's contract. This frees up more cash to sign FA (the dream of Chandler and Gasol). If Barnes does not declare, and gone top three are Irving, Williams and Kanter, I like this idea.

...though I highly doubt Detroit would do this deal in the first place.

Mediocrity · Post #1047 » by **Mediocrity** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:41 pm

Would anyone here take Williams over Irving? I was just curious. I am inclined to think that I would take Williams over Irving, because, frankly, I don't think Irving is going to be as good as everyone thinks, and even if Williams didn't fill out his potential, he would still be a very valuable player with his explosiveness, toughness, and 3-point shooting. Thoughts?

Ducksplatt · Post #1048 » by **Ducksplatt** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:41 pm

Double Helix wrote:Given the way the young core of this team is currently shaping up, if Derrick Williams can defend the SF spot I'd love to see him as a Raptor. He finished his freshmen year with the 7th best 3 point shooting percentage of all time. I don't see this David West stuff myself. I'm seeing more of a Shawn Marion type with a better 3 point shot and Blake Griffin's motor and intensity and I think he'd fit right in here.

The question is... can he defend the SF spot adequately or not though... 'cause I'm less sold on him as a traditional 4. I like Ed Davis just fine there.

Agree. The only reason I can see the need to draft Williams is if he is going to play SF. I am not sure if he will be able to defend the 3 at the NBA level.
But, I also do not believe he will make it past the top 2 so Raps would have to get a few ping pong balls dropping for them.

hops_88 · Post #1049 » by **hops_88** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:06 pm

Ducksplatt wrote:
Double Helix wrote:Given the way the young core of this team is currently shaping up, if Derrick Williams can defend the SF spot I'd love to see him as a Raptor. He finished his freshmen year with the 7th best 3 point shooting percentage of all time. I don't see this David West stuff myself. I'm seeing more of a Shawn Marion type with a better 3 point shot and Blake Griffin's motor and intensity and I think he'd fit right in here.

The question is... can he defend the SF spot adequately or not though... 'cause I'm less sold on him as a traditional 4. I like Ed Davis just fine there.

Agree. The only reason I can see the need to draft Williams is if he is going to play SF. I am not sure if he will be able to defend the 3 at the NBA level.
But, I also do not believe he will make it past the top 2 so Raps would have to get a few ping pong balls dropping for them.

I agree. If Williams can play the three.. I think hes going to be the surprise best player in this draft.

Saciid11 · Post #1050 » by **Saciid11** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:15 pm

Mediocrity wrote:Would anyone here take Williams over Irving? I was just curious. I am inclined to think that I would take Williams over Irving, because, frankly, I don't think Irving is going to be as good as everyone thinks, and even if Williams didn't fill out his potential, he would still be a very valuable player with his explosiveness, toughness, and 3-point shooting. Thoughts?

No ...we don't need power forward unless its Sullinger...

Raps board should

1) Irving

2) Kemba Walker
3) Barnes Harrison
4) Perry Jones( he can play the 3 in the nba with his ball handling ...Raashard Lewis)
5) Derrick William ( if he can play the 3)
6) Kanter( Don't know much about him)
7) Brandon Knight ( His handles are weak for PG ...but still he is the third best point guard in the draft)

Post #1051 » by **DG88** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:27 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
Mediocrity wrote:Would anyone here take Williams over Irving? I was just curious. I am inclined to think that I would take Williams over Irving, because, frankly, I don't think Irving is going to be as good as everyone thinks, and even if Williams didn't fill out his potential, he would still be a very valuable player with his explosiveness, toughness, and 3-point shooting. Thoughts?

No ...we don't need power forward unless its Sullinger...

Raps board should

1) Irving

2) Kemba Walker
3) Barnes Harrison
4) Perry Jones( he can play the 3 in the nba with his ball handling ...Raashard Lewis)
5) Derrick William ( if he can play the 3)
6) Kanter( Don't know much about him)
7) Brandon Knight ( His handles are weak for PG ...but still he is the third best point guard in the I'd draft)

I'd put Barnes ahead of Walker imo

Silk Wilkes · Post #1052 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:34 pm

My board is:

1) Irving
1a) Williams (if he can play the 3, if not he drops to 4th)
2) Barnes
3) Kanter
4) Perry Jones
5) Kemba Walker
6) Brandon Knight

TDotRep · Post #1053 » by **TDotRep** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:40 pm

Kemba should not be ahead of barnes williams jones or kanter

McFurious1 · Post #1054 » by **McFurious1** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:49 pm

Mediocrity wrote:Would anyone here take Williams over Irving? I was just curious. I am inclined to think that I would take Williams over Irving, because, frankly, I don't think Irving is going to be as good as everyone thinks, and even if Williams didn't fill out his potential, he would still be a very valuable player with his explosiveness, toughness, and 3-point shooting. Thoughts?

I think I would take Williams over Irving. Williams is the more ready player and showed me he was a franchise type player in the NCAA tourney. I would be ecstatic if we landed Williams. The comparisons of Marion are accurate, but he's more intense and has better leadership qualities.

I am on the Derrick Williams train 110%

MinnyMo · Post #1055 » by **MinnyMo** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:06 pm

Here's a pretty nice mix of D-Will http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjXBQDsTTug

andyo · Post #1056 » by **andyo** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:11 pm

1) Irving
2) Barnes
3-4) Derrick Williams/Kanter..can't decide, need to see more of Kanter besides youtube highlights. I'm not a huge fan of Derrick Williams so I'd lean towards Kanter. Don't think Williams can play the 3 in the NBA.

MinnyMo · Post #1057 » by **MinnyMo** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:17 pm

I think I'd take Williams 2nd, over Barnes. Regardless if he can consistently play defense at the 3, he seems to be a great help player, always looking for the block, as well as being a great rebounder on both ends.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1058 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:19 pm

I have this idea that if James Johnson can play 3 in the NBA so can Derrick Williams since they're similar size wise. D-Will proved a lot to me in the tournament. The simple fact that Coach K couldn't shut him down excited me. I think he'll be quick enough. Either way, the Raps need to get a shot blocking Centre beside Ed which would provide us with a intimidating front line of Williams/Davis/Centre? Just play a 2-3 zone the majority of the time and the interior defense would be absolutely lock down.

Post #1059 » by **5DOM** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:24 pm

Youngblood wrote:I have this idea that if James Johnson can play 3 in the NBA so can Derrick Williams since they're similar size wise. D-Will proved a lot to me in the tournament. The simple fact that Coach K couldn't shut him down excited me. I think he'll be quick enough. Either way, the Raps need to get a shot blocking Centre beside Ed which would provide us with a intimidating front line of Williams/Davis/Centre? Just play a 2-3 zone the majority of the time and the interior defense would be absolutely lock down.

Same. I think he can be a super rich man's James Johnson.
If GMs decide that he can play the SF, he's a #1 pick.

SpaceJam · Post #1060 » by **SpaceJam** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:55 pm

1) Irving
2) Kanter
3) P. Jones/Williams
4) Knight
5) Barnes
6) Walker