Draft Talk

[ajaX82]

I hate to change the topic but i just thought of this last season stafford was running and then took a dive and injured his shoulder and ended his season with out being tackled.

Now instead of falling head first to go down and getting injured why don't the lions teach him to slide down feet first like every other QB in the leauge there by avoiding an season ending injury ? DUH

He didn't dive homie. He was scrambling out of the pocket and somebody caught his foot as he was running and he went down falling forward. His three shoulder injuries are all not his fault (mostly, unless you want to say the ball should have been out of there), as he was hit in the pocket on two of them (Peppers and the Browns game) and then the aforementioned trip.

But as to your other point, yeah, I think the Lions will certainly work on proper ways to slide, ala Sanchez and the Jets.

[kellmellus50]

Don't get me going with sanchez and the jets that another story.

[ajaX82]

Thoughts on Davon House, CB from New Mexico St, anybody? Saw a mock with us taking him in the second (after Castonzo in the first) and read up on him....very interesting

[kellmellus50]

Quote:Answering emails: How high will Detroit Lions draft a receiver?
Tom Kowalski: Another interesting question. I think this is a situation where the Lions would rather have the draft first and then free agency. I think they want to find a rookie with great speed in the draft and develop him, rather than go after another veteran free agent. If they miss out in the draft, then they know what they've got to do.

How high will they draft a receiver? First round would be a shock, but not impossible (if Julio Jones slides). Mike: If Julio Jones falls to No. 13 why not take him -- seeing that from all reports he would by far be the BAP at that spot ? (is'nt this what TSE said?)

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/20 ... _will.html

[Icness]

Thoughts on Davon House, CB from New Mexico St, anybody? Saw a mock with us taking him in the second (after Castonzo in the first) and read up on him....very interesting

Nutshell: tall, slender, zone-only corner. Decent instincts, nice quick reaction and chase speed, adequate tackler but not much of a hitter, played with a huge cushion at NMSU by design because their safeties were terrible so he gave up a ton of plays in front of him, but he did a nice job at preventing those from becoming big plays. Better in theory than in practice at this point but worthy of a shot.

I like Josh Thomas of Buffalo much better when looking at lower-run colleges. Smaller but his arms are longer and he plays more physically, great at both hitting and tackling. Compares favorably IMO to Speivey as a corner prospect from a year ago, actually their games are pretty similar. He's one of my "boom" guys in the forthcoming boom-bust column.

[ajaX82]

Thoughts on Davon House, CB from New Mexico St, anybody? Saw a mock with us taking him in the second (after Castonzo in the first) and read up on him....very interesting

Nutshell: tall, slender, zone-only corner. Decent instincts, nice quick reaction and chase speed, adequate tackler but not much of a hitter, played with a huge cushion at NMSU by design because their safeties were terrible so he gave up a ton of plays in front of him, but he did a nice job at preventing those from becoming big plays. Better in theory than in practice at this point but worthy of a shot.

I like Josh Thomas of Buffalo much better when looking at lower-run colleges. Smaller but his arms are longer and he plays more physically, great at both hitting and tackling. Compares favorably IMO to Speivey as a corner prospect from a year ago, actually their games are pretty similar. He's one of my "boom" guys in the forthcoming boom-bust column.

Cool thanks. Second round too early, depending on how the board falls? Seems like a no-brainer if he was there in the third and we had yet to pick a CB

[kellmellus50]

Quote:Answering emails: How high will Detroit Lions draft a receiver?
Tom Kowalski: Another interesting question. I think this is a situation where the Lions would rather have the draft first and then free agency. I think they want to find a rookie with great speed in the draft and develop him, rather than go after another veteran free agent. If they miss out in the draft, then they know what they've got to do.

How high will they draft a receiver? First round would be a shock, but not impossible (if Julio Jones slides). Mike: If Julio Jones falls to No. 13 why not take him -- seeing that from all reports he would by far be the BAP at that spot ? (is'nt this what TSE said?)

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/20 ... _will.html

I think Tom,Mike and TSE are right were taking Julio Jones at 13 if he falls.

[TSE]

Yeah of course we would take him, but he won't fall. It would be nice to get JJ in Rd 1, a pair of LBs with the next 2 picks and maybe even a trade-up, and then a pair of FA CBs and we'd be all set for a fun year!

[ajaX82]

^ The best thing that could happen is, if Julio Jones were there at 13, to trade back. Everyone knows St. Louis would take him in heartbeat, making us a prime trade partner for somebody that really wanted a WR. Maybe somebody like Jacksonville at 17, who desperately need a receiver? San Diego at 18 if they feel VJax is going to bolt?

Trade back 4 spots, still grab a OT and pick up an extra pick? Win-win

To me that is much more likely than us taking JJ. I'm not even going to address the plausibility of us drafting him anymore, but Julio falling to us is better for a trade than an actual pick. I feel like somebody like Washington will grab him anywho so its probably all moot

[kellmellus50]

^ The best thing that could happen is, if Julio Jones were there at 13, to trade back. Everyone knows St. Louis would take him in heartbeat, making us a prime trade partner for somebody that really wanted a WR. Maybe somebody like Jacksonville at 17, who desperately need a receiver? San Diego at 18 if they feel VJax is going to bolt?

Trade back 4 spots, still grab a OT and pick up an extra pick? Win-win

To me that is much more likely than us taking JJ. I'm not even going to address the plausibility of us drafting him anymore, but Julio falling to us is better for a trade than an actual pick. I feel like somebody like Washington will grab him anywho so its probably all moot

When was it that the lions traded back there first pick ? right i do not remember too( it may never have happened)..................... so foget about that idea it's not going to happen.

This is why i listen to the professionals they are more realistic about whats going on.

[Icness]

The Texans have a gigantic crush on Julio Jones and they pick #11. They would take him over just about any defensive player that could feasibly be on the board (Quinn and Fairley are the exceptions). They have a very similar situation to Detroit--one All Pro receiver, a solid slot/#3 guy, good TE depth but no #2 wideout, nobody to push the middle of the field.

FWIW I would put it at about 85% that Amukamara is available at #13. But I'm with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him, though I think that would be a huge mistake. It's one thing to keep getting torched by Ryan Broyles and Justin Blackmon like Prince did, it's another to not be able to cover Dane Sanzebacher or Danny Coale like Harris couldn't.

[ajaX82]

^ The best thing that could happen is, if Julio Jones were there at 13, to trade back. Everyone knows St. Louis would take him in heartbeat, making us a prime trade partner for somebody that really wanted a WR. Maybe somebody like Jacksonville at 17, who desperately need a receiver? San Diego at 18 if they feel VJax is going to bolt?

Trade back 4 spots, still grab a OT and pick up an extra pick? Win-win

To me that is much more likely than us taking JJ. I'm not even going to address the plausibility of us drafting him anymore, but Julio falling to us is better for a trade than an actual pick. I feel like somebody like Washington will grab him anywho so its probably all moot

When was it that the lions traded back there first pick ? right i do not remember too( it may never have happened)..................... so foget about that idea it's not going to happen.

This is why i listen to the professionals they are more realistic about whats going on.

whatever you say homie

[ajaX82]

The Texans have a gigantic crush on Julio Jones and they pick #11. They would take him over just about any defensive player that could feasibly be on the board (Quinn and Fairley are the exceptions). They have a very similar situation to Detroit--one All Pro receiver, a solid slot/#3 guy, good TE depth but no #2 wideout, nobody to push the middle of the field.

FWIW I would put it at about 85% that Amukamara is available at #13. But I'm with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him, though I think that would be a huge mistake. It's one thing to keep getting torched by Ryan Broyles and Justin Blackmon like Prince did, it's another to not be able to cover Dane Sanzebacher or Danny Coale like Harris couldn't.

Brendan Harris over Amukamara....really?? Maybe thats just posturing, as a lot of misinformation is floated this time of year? Or do you really believe that

Because that sounds like a bad choice to me

[TSE]

^ The best thing that could happen is, if Julio Jones were there at 13, to trade back. Everyone knows St. Louis would take him in heartbeat, making us a prime trade partner for somebody that really wanted a WR. Maybe somebody like Jacksonville at 17, who desperately need a receiver? San Diego at 18 if they feel VJax is going to bolt?

Trade back 4 spots, still grab a OT and pick up an extra pick? Win-win

To me that is much more likely than us taking JJ. I'm not even going to address the plausibility of us drafting him anymore, but Julio falling to us is better for a trade than an actual pick. I feel like somebody like Washington will grab him anywho so its probably all moot

This is a nonsense post, it's always best to trade a pick, as the very nature of giving up a pick in trade is cause some team overpays you what you think the top player remaining is worth, so stop trying to spin every JJ talk into a JJ-trade talk, cause the same can be done with any player. If JJ is on the board at 12, then whether the Vikes take him and somebody else is the BPA there, or vice versa, we are going to have somebody who is our #1 BPA left and a choice to trade or not trade him. It's not significant to mention that better prospects yield better trade values, that's obvious, and so whoever is the best BPA in the draft is who we want to slide to us, and that's debatable who the best prospect is that could drop. But at the same token, if JJ drops and his trade value is higher than if we were going to take Ryan Kerrigan, well then we have to pay the price of not having that extra good premium WR, and that lost value is transferred over to the trade price, so it's all accounted for anyhow. Your post has no point for existing as it doesn't relate to the actual dynamics of what's going on in any insightful way.

[TSE]

The Texans have a gigantic crush on Julio Jones and they pick #11. They would take him over just about any defensive player that could feasibly be on the board (Quinn and Fairley are the exceptions). They have a very similar situation to Detroit--one All Pro receiver, a solid slot/#3 guy, good TE depth but no #2 wideout, nobody to push the middle of the field.

FWIW I would put it at about 85% that Amukamara is available at #13. But I'm with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him, though I think that would be a huge mistake. It's one thing to keep getting torched by Ryan Broyles and Justin Blackmon like Prince did, it's another to not be able to cover Dane Sanzebacher or Danny Coale like Harris couldn't.

Brendan Harris over Amukamara....really?? Maybe thats just posturing, as a lot of misinformation is floated this time of year? Or do you really believe that

Because that sounds like a bad choice to me

Umm, he just got done saying exactly that, and he includes his opinion that it would be a huge mistake. His post clearly predicts Harris over Amukamara, so yes, really, and also he hates the idea, so he think's it's a bad choice too and he still made that prediction, so you can't use "because" and then suggest it sounds like a bad choice as your rationale for rebutting since his whole post exists for no purpose other than to explain how the Lions would still pick the guy despite him being the bad choice. What are you trying to get at with this reply? It makes no sense.

[kellmellus50]

last year there were no trade downs from 1 to 13 so why people even talk about trading down . i really do not see that happening even if the lions pick a great player at 13 i do not see them trading down.

[ajaX82]

The Texans have a gigantic crush on Julio Jones and they pick #11. They would take him over just about any defensive player that could feasibly be on the board (Quinn and Fairley are the exceptions). They have a very similar situation to Detroit--one All Pro receiver, a solid slot/#3 guy, good TE depth but no #2 wideout, nobody to push the middle of the field.

FWIW I would put it at about 85% that Amukamara is available at #13. But I'm with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him, though I think that would be a huge mistake. It's one thing to keep getting torched by Ryan Broyles and Justin Blackmon like Prince did, it's another to not be able to cover Dane Sanzebacher or Danny Coale like Harris couldn't.

Brendan Harris over Amukamara....really?? Maybe thats just posturing, as a lot of misinformation is floated this time of year? Or do you really believe that

Because that sounds like a bad choice to me

Umm, he just got done saying exactly that, and he includes his opinion that it would be a huge mistake. His post clearly predicts Harris over Amukamara, so yes, really, and also he hates the idea, so he think's it's a bad choice too and he still made that prediction, so you can't use "because" and then suggest it sounds like a bad choice as your rationale for rebutting since his whole post exists for no purpose other than to explain how the Lions would still pick the guy despite him being the bad choice. What are you trying to get at with this reply? It makes no sense.

I wasn't rebutting him as much as asking Jeff how common that school of thought is.

He said "'Im with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him" and maybe I should have phrased my question more as, "how common is this thought? Every analyst? A select few? Lions insiders?" And "do you believe some of what you are hearing about preference to be the typical pre-draft smoke-screen.

As to the reply, it makes sense, you're just choosing to nitpick. Again, Jeff I am interested in your response (and others)

[ajaX82]

^ The best thing that could happen is, if Julio Jones were there at 13, to trade back. Everyone knows St. Louis would take him in heartbeat, making us a prime trade partner for somebody that really wanted a WR. Maybe somebody like Jacksonville at 17, who desperately need a receiver? San Diego at 18 if they feel VJax is going to bolt?

Trade back 4 spots, still grab a OT and pick up an extra pick? Win-win

To me that is much more likely than us taking JJ. I'm not even going to address the plausibility of us drafting him anymore, but Julio falling to us is better for a trade than an actual pick. I feel like somebody like Washington will grab him anywho so its probably all moot

This is a nonsense post, it's always best to trade a pick, as the very nature of giving up a pick in trade is cause some team overpays you what you think the top player remaining is worth, so stop trying to spin every JJ talk into a JJ-trade talk, cause the same can be done with any player. If JJ is on the board at 12, then whether the Vikes take him and somebody else is the BPA there, or vice versa, we are going to have somebody who is our #1 BPA left and a choice to trade or not trade him. It's not significant to mention that better prospects yield better trade values, that's obvious, and so whoever is the best BPA in the draft is who we want to slide to us, and that's debatable who the best prospect is that could drop. But at the same token, if JJ drops and his trade value is higher than if we were going to take Ryan Kerrigan, well then we have to pay the price of not having that extra good premium WR, and that lost value is transferred over to the trade price, so it's all accounted for anyhow. Your post has no point for existing as it doesn't relate to the actual dynamics of what's going on in any insightful way.

Sure guy. If somebody else wants to talk about this I'm all ears

[TSE]

I wasn't rebutting him as much as asking Jeff how common that school of thought is.

He said "'Im with the school that believes the Lions would take Brandon Harris ahead of him" and maybe I should have phrased my question more as, "how common is this thought? Every analyst? A select few? Lions insiders?" And "do you believe some of what you are hearing about preference to be the typical pre-draft smoke-screen.

As to the reply, it makes sense, you're just choosing to nitpick. Again, Jeff I am interested in your response (and others)

Trying to make a claim that the Lions will take BH over Amakamura just doesn't sound like a rewarding use of a smokescreen. You would think the Lions would try to market Amakumra as the guy to trade up for since they could too take BH, but why would they when all the hype suggests BH could slip out of the first round and Amakamura has potential to go as high as the 49ers. That doesn't seem to make sense in the case of hyping BH. The way Icness wrote that it just sounded more like that's what he thinks the Lions intimately think that they do not want other teams to know, which means that it would make more sense to "posture" like we want to nab PA that fell cause we want him so much, UNLESS you want to pay us to get the royal Prince? That's the sell, to get the other teams to think we want that guy, not BH, that's our private fallback in the context Icness was implying.

[TSE]

Also, we could have a chance to trade the pick to somebody that wants to move up to select a QB. There could be a shot at 4 QBs going in the top 10, and if not, then perhaps the 13th spot could be the 4th QB. That's where you have to be if you want to get one of the top 4.