2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread (Lottery Tonight!)

TrueWarrior · Post #81 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:09 am

Biyombo has to be going lottery in this weak ass draft now. I see no reason why he wouldnt. I caught the 2nd half and was blown away. Dude was pulling off ambushes with the blocks coming out of nowhere. 12/11/9 blocks. Ha. Looked like a man among boys. Noguiera looked very skinny and a few years away, but Biyombo looks like he could at least be a bench player sooner than later.

I have a question.. why did Serge Ibaka fall so much in the draft? Didnt he have a 40+ inch vertical, and was also built very well? I know he was raw but all the tools were there to be doing what hes doing now, yet he dropped into the 20s. I see the same with my man Bismack, who Imagining playing alongside Amare and Melo is viagra.

Post #82 » by **Manhattan Project** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:18 am

TrueWarrior wrote:Biyombo has to be going lottery in this weak ass draft now. I see no reason why he wouldnt. I caught the 2nd half and was blown away. Dude was pulling off ambushes with the blocks coming out of nowhere. 12/11/9 blocks. Ha. Looked like a man among boys. Noguiera looked very skinny and a few years away, but Biyombo looks like he could at least be a bench player sooner than later.

I have a question.. why did Serge Ibaka fall so much in the draft? Didnt he have a 40+ inch vertical, and was also built very well? I know he was raw but all the tools were there to be doing what hes doing now, yet he dropped into the 20s. I see the same with my man Bismack, who Imagining playing alongside Amare and Melo is viagra.

Poor camp.
Conditioning was thought to be an issue.
Very raw.
Potential to stay overseas is always a factor.

FutureKnicksGM · Post #83 » by **FutureKnicksGM** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:26 am

BIYOMBO is a BEAST! Got damn. He's raw offensively, but he would make an impact right away with his shot blocking and rebounding. He plays so hard. Perfect Fit. Too bad he might even go top 10 now.

Lucas is raw, and skinny and seemed a bit soft to me, but still has time on his side, good propsect to stash overseas with a later pick if we can get one.

Post #84 » by **moocow007** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:27 am

Missed the 1st half but caught all of the 2nd half and definitely the best overall game I've seen a USA team play in a long, long, long, long, long, LONG time.

Some observations...

1. Austin Rivers is a heck of a basketball player.

Not having watched him play I thought some of the hype was just because of who his dad was but after watching him play? His dad could have been Charlie Sheen and he'd still should get Duke fans and (more importantly) fans of whatever NBA team he ends up being drafted by in the 2012 draft giddy like school girls. What you get when you combine natural feel for the game, killer instinct, superb basketball skills and that superstar vibe in one package.

2. Michael Gilchrist is Old School meets New School.

Rarely do you see a 18 year old play with the type of defensive zeal that Gilchrist plays especially in a nationally televised All-Star game where most everyone wants to do their own thing but Gilchrist was a terror defensively leading the USA teams stifling of any real offense (beyond Biyombo offensive rebounds and putbacks) from the World Select team. And then when you add in the fact that he's got an above the rim game and attacks offensively and he's a guy that can really make some noise as a top notch all around player when he makes it to the NBA down the road.

3. Anthony Davis from 6'2" PG to 6'10" PF in less than 6 months?

Davis apparently grew 8" in one proverbial summer and went from a 6'2" PG to a 6'10" (at least, he looked just as tall as Noguera tbh) PF. Has some serious mismatch potential if he can get used to his new found height. A Anthony Randolph type guy right now.

4. Bismarck Biyombo is the shiznit.

Well now I see why all the excitement is about. I can honestly say that the last guy that I watched in this type of game that played with that type of nasty intensity throughout was the guy the Knicks just signed to $100 million (during the McDonalds AA game). Biyombo isn't as tall as Stoudemire and appears a shade shy of 6'9" and doesn't have the offensive skills but...otherwise...holy mother cow. None stop motor and just unreal intensity for an 18 year old (assuming that's his real age...he looks a lil older tbh). Amazing hops and his timing is just unearthly when it comes to challenging shots. Half his blocks came from catching up to the guy and blocking it from behind. That's just something you don't see too often every game much less about half a dozen times during a single game. And for a guy that has only played organized ball for 3 years, he has a better feel for the game than Ibaka did. Always the first guy up and down either side of the floor, played major minutes and didn't seem to tire one bit. Athletically? Those Youtube clips don't do him justice. Much faster than I thought. Only weakness he showed in the game was free throw shooting. It was better than Shaq but not by much.

5. Lucas Noguera needs to workout with Eddy Curry (and not at a gym).

Bebe had a couple nice flashes and it seems like he knows what to do on the floor (in terms of where to be, how to try to set screens and...obviously...is very quick for a 7 footer) but he's just too light to do much of anything...even against the baby faced 18 year olds on the US team that were usually 3 or 4 inches shorter than him. No chance he'd be able to play in the NBA for the next couple years at the earliest barring a miracle of Herculean proportions when it comes to adding meat on them bones.

6. Marquis Teague is one heck of a quick PG.

He was blowing by defenders from the 3 point line and was the only guy that Biyombo really wasn't able to react quickly enough to challenge. With him, Davis and Gilcrhist are all going to Kentucky which will be one nasty team (especially if either or both Brandon Knight and Terrence Jones returns).

7. Mike D'Antoni may have jizzed watching Davis Bertans.

Bertans is one heck of a 3 point shooter. A couple of his 3 point shots looked like arching laser beams (imagine if that was even possible) zipping into the basket.

TrueWarrior · Post #85 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:31 am

Biyombo just looked like an NBA player already out there. He already has the strength, athleticism, and motor to play in this league NOW, even if its just off the bench. I dont see why he cant be a rebounder, shot blocker, defender, and finisher from the get go (which is what hed be here with Amare and Melo). I know Im getting very ahead of myself and theres always a learning curve in this league, but he was on another level athletically than everyone else in this game. Looked more like a 25 year old than an 18 year old. A definate MANCHILD. Ben Wallace with more offense. Yessir.

Post #86 » by **el loco** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:37 am

nba.com has been covering the Portsmouth invitational pretty well, here are the links to the 3 days:

day 1
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/0 ... index.html

day 2
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/0 ... index.html

day 3
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/0 ... index.html

Post #87 » by **moocow007** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:39 am

TrueWarrior wrote:Biyombo just looked like an NBA player already out there. He already has the strength, athleticism, and motor to play in this league NOW, even if its just off the bench. I dont see why he cant be a rebounder, shot blocker, defender, and finisher from the get go (which is what hed be here with Amare and Melo). I know Im getting very ahead of myself and theres always a learning curve in this league, but he was on another level athletically than everyone else in this game. Looked more like a 25 year old than an 18 year old. A definate MANCHILD. Ben Wallace with more offense. Yessir.

Yeah Ben Wallace is a interesting comparison in terms of what he could evolve into. Very quick and agile for a guy his size (he already has a ripped NBA body). Showed real good form (especially for a guy who's only played for 3 years or so) boxing out for rebounds and his timing for blocks is just crazy. Fights hard for position, isn't afraid to go into bodies to get the ball and just has a nasty streak about him. Like Wallace, he's lacks the height to be a C but makes up for it by aggressiveness, physical strength and super huge wingspan.

Post #88 » by **el loco** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:43 am

Bebe had a couple nice flashes and it seems like he knows what to do on the floor (in terms of where to be, how to try to set screens and...obviously...is very quick for a 7 footer) but he's just too light to do much of anything...even against the baby faced 18 year olds on the US team that were usually 3 or 4 inches shorter than him. No chance he'd be able to play in the NBA for the next couple years at the earliest barring a miracle of Herculean proportions when it comes to adding meat on them bones.

On another Nuggets board that has a good following of posters from Brazil, they think he will be a good player, but they also think that he is a headcase, and this will cause him to become a project in the NBA for a couple of years. I agree, he is rail thin, which will also turn him into a project.

TrueWarrior · Post #89 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:54 am

moocow007 wrote:Yeah Ben Wallace is a interesting comparison in terms of what he could evolve into. Very quick and agile for a guy his size (he already has a ripped NBA body). Showed real good form (especially for a guy who's only played for 3 years or so) boxing out for rebounds and his timing for blocks is just crazy. Fights hard for position, isn't afraid to go into bodies to get the ball and just has a nasty streak about him. Like Wallace, he's lacks the height to be a C but makes up for it by aggressiveness, physical strength and super huge wingspan.

Yea and Wallace went undrafted. Imagine that. If some of the freshmen stay in the draft we MIGHT have a shot at the kid, but we're getting screwed with the impending lockout. In almost every other draft there are young/raw bigs like Bismack who fall to around our pick or later. DeAndre, McGee, Dalembert, Ibaka, Perkins, Sanders, Seraphin, etc but this year the draft is too weak, and more freshmen might pull out. I just see no reason why some young rebuilding team wont take a chance.

can o peas · Post #90 » by **can o peas** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:00 am

draftexpress' last ten tweets have basically all been about biyombo:

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress

Post #91 » by **Manhattan Project** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:35 pm

The Biyombo hype is amazing right now, I remember a week ago I asked if anyone ever heard of him and no one knew who he was. Not everyone is an expert, gotta love technology. I think at the end of the day Biyombo can go anywhere from 12-16 range.

TrueWarrior · Post #92 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:58 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:The Biyombo hype is amazing right now, I remember a week ago I asked if anyone ever heard of him and no one knew who he was. Not everyone is an expert, gotta love technology. I think at the end of the day Biyombo can go anywhere from 12-16 range.

It has more to do with him declaring for the draft, when before he wasnt. Ive read about him before he went on DX's 2011 mock since he was like 19th on their Top 100 prospects, but naturally when he just popped up on their mock and announced he was going to the Summit/declaring there was of course going to be more interest.

Post #93 » by **Manhattan Project** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:47 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:It has more to do with him declaring for the draft, when before he wasnt. Ive read about him before he went on DX's 2011 mock since he was like 19th on their Top 100 prospects, but naturally when he just popped up on their mock and announced he was going to the Summit/declaring there was of course going to be more interest.

Pretty much the same time, his name came up that he was going to the Summit. His coach made some baseless claims threatening to stall his career. One massive game, nice practices and now he is fringe lotto prospect. Most people don't really look at the prospects list/international rankings.

I'm more amazed with how quick the buzz/hype spreads that's all. One week he has gone from barely heard of to a must have prospect.

I'm intrigued to see how the foreign prospects will play out, who will go first. Motie, Vesely, Mirotic, Jonas and now Biyombo.

I think Jereme Richmond is declaring soon, another mistake.

Knicksfan20 · Post #94 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:56 pm

Only reason why there are so many Top rated overseas prospects is because their arn't many good american prospects. Somone like Omri Casspi would probably go 12-18 in this draft.

can o peas · Post #95 » by **can o peas** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:43 am

Manhattan Project wrote:The Biyombo hype is amazing right now, I remember a week ago I asked if anyone ever heard of him and no one knew who he was. Not everyone is an expert, gotta love technology. I think at the end of the day Biyombo can go anywhere from 12-16 range.

I liked Bimbo better when he was on vinyl too

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #96 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:46 am

New Biyombo article from DX

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Bis ... rney--3672

TrueWarrior · Post #97 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:54 pm

DX moved Bismack all the way up to 8th on their mock now. If some more freshmen pull out theres no reason he shouldnt go top 5. I mean if Shelden, Thabeet, Darko, and Yi can go top 5 then so can Bismack. Hes the total package.

More and more its looking like Justin Harper is our guy. He makes too much sense as far as being an NBA ready senior, still having some upside, and fitting the system to a tee. Im not sure how much better Harper is than Shawne Williams though (who ironically was also picked 17th by Donnie) but he is talented no question so the more talent the better. We also have Derrick Brown who plays the same position. Basically all SF/PF tweener types. Is Harper that much better than them where he can reach Chandler/Gallo level? Im not sure but if we pick him we better damn hope so.

Id still take Tristan Thompson if he declares or Markieff Morris over Harper.

Fury · Post #98 » by **Fury** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:05 pm

Lol, I think we're gonna end up with Jimmer Fredette.

TrueWarrior · Post #99 » by **TrueWarrior** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:10 pm

Fury wrote:Lol, I think we're gonna end up with Jimmer Fredette.

Ha Ive been saying the same thing for a while. Its Jimmer or Harper IMO.

Marty McFly · Post #100 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:20 pm

i think the knicks need to trade up if the can. If its plausible, pull the trigger.

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