Say it ain't so!!

Geaux_Hawks · Post #1 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:53 am

So, one guy on T&T suggested that the Jazz would swap Millsap and the 12 pick for Sacramento's 5th pick and Whiteside.

I just want to know does the entire/majority of the board feel thats good value?!?!

carrottop12 · Post #2 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:57 am

I'd get an extreme boner from that trade...

Maybe.

I wouldn't be opposed really, but I'd rather get Marcus Thornton.

Ming Kong! · Post #3 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:03 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:So, one guy on T&T suggested that the Jazz would swap Millsap and the 12 pick for Sacramento's 5th pick and Whiteside.

I just want to know does the entire/majority of the board feel thats good value?!?!

Ugh no, Whiteside was a 2nd round pick and has 1:48 of NBA playing time on the Kings. So basically he is worthless right now. Lucky to even have an NBA contract considering he hasn't made a contribution to the kings yet. The Nets and Kings are tied now, and are playing well, so their pick could drop to 6th. Millsap is definitely worth more than the 6th pick in a pretty weak draft, not to mention we're including the 12th pick. It's down right insulting.

carrottop12 · Post #4 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:04 am

I think having the 5th and the 6th would be an obvious attempt to move up to the top 2.

:dontknow:

edfmx86 · Post #5 » by **edfmx86** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:05 am

i remember wanting whiteside when he was a potential lottery pick.

I don't want to see Millsap traded, i like the guy too much

Ming Kong! · Post #6 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:10 am

Bat wrote:I'd get an extreme boner from that trade...

Maybe.

I wouldn't be opposed really, but I'd rather get Marcus Thornton.

Are you kidding me? Whiteside sucks and isn't going to get playing time:

Jefferson/Okur/Favors/Elson/Fesenko

That's too many centers who are way better and have way more experienced. Now I can understand liking the chances at getting a top 3 pick with the Kings pick, but would they trade a top 3 pick if they win the lottery? I doubt it, they already got Dalembert and Cousins.

Ming Kong! · Post #7 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:11 am

Bat wrote:I think having the 5th and the 6th would be an obvious attempt to move up to the top 2.

You would trade Millsap, 12th and the Nets pick to climb 3-4 spots? We didn't even do that to get Williams.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #8 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:16 am

Bat wrote:I think having the 5th and the 6th would be an obvious attempt to move up to the top 2.

I'm guessing you want Irving, but thats not happening. So knowing your motive for accepting is unlikely, I figure you wouldn't pursue it.

Bat wrote:I'd get an extreme boner from that trade...

Maybe.

I wouldn't be opposed really, but I'd rather get Marcus Thornton.

I already knew that would have been the only other incentive outside Cousins and Evans, that could make it work.

BringtheD · Post #9 » by **BringtheD** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:33 am

I'm the one who brokered the trade, that's what the Kings would do. It's the best we can get from them, I'm ok with it. I'm assuming there is nothing wrong with whiteside, he just hasn't had any playing time because the kings are giving their time to cousins and dalembert. They had offered me Casspi and Thompson, but I didn't want to inherit their problems, Whiteside fits into a locker room quality.
I didn't broker the trade to move up, though it is possible, I am not desperate to draft a pg for the jazz.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #10 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:03 am

BringtheD wrote:I'm the one who brokered the trade, that's what the Kings would do. It's the best we can get from them, I'm ok with it. I'm assuming there is nothing wrong with whiteside, he just hasn't had any playing time because the kings are giving their time to cousins and dalembert. They had offered me Casspi and Thompson, but I didn't want to inherit their problems, Whiteside fits into a locker room quality.
I didn't broker the trade to move up, though it is possible, I am not desperate to draft a pg for the jazz.

You are an idiot to take that deal, when you can have Granger or George, and still draft at 12. Sacramento could have at least gave you the pick and Thorton for Millsap + 12.

carrottop12 · Post #11 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:13 am

I love how seriously people take these hypothetical trades.

Thornton/5 for Millsap/12 is definitely something I'd do. Get a starting 2/3 to replace CJ, move Hayward into the starting line up to replace AK, clear up the log jam with Favors as the starting PF, draft Walker/Kanter, continue to build for the future.

BringtheD · Post #12 » by **BringtheD** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:05 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
BringtheD wrote:I'm the one who brokered the trade, that's what the Kings would do. It's the best we can get from them, I'm ok with it. I'm assuming there is nothing wrong with whiteside, he just hasn't had any playing time because the kings are giving their time to cousins and dalembert. They had offered me Casspi and Thompson, but I didn't want to inherit their problems, Whiteside fits into a locker room quality.
I didn't broker the trade to move up, though it is possible, I am not desperate to draft a pg for the jazz.

You are an idiot to take that deal, when you can have Granger or George, and still draft at 12. Sacramento could have at least gave you the pick and Thorton for Millsap + 12.

Millsap to Indiana for George straight up? I'd rather try to get one of the top picks if possible, or have two rookies with similar upside to George. Moving into the top 5 the Jazz should be able to get a talent like George, even if the draft is supposed to be weak, it's still a top 5 pick; and picking up a project center who fills a roster spot is nice, a move in the right direction, he can take his time, as the Jazz should be done with Fesenko after three years I think Whiteside has a little better chance and there is no point in keeping Elson.

erudite23 · Post #13 » by **erudite23** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:37 am

Millsap is the type of guy that can be a missing piece for a championship contender. I think on a team like OKC he would be insane. But he's not going to take you to the playoffs by himself or carry a team on his back. I would personally trade him straight up for the 5th pick in this draft, just because we have to clear that logjam in the frontcourt somehow. I think Big Al is less valuable and will be harder to move. Two years of Millsap for the contract he has is a steal of a deal. I would like to swing him for a high pick and a future protected pick, ideally.

I'm not trading him for a long shot prospect like George, though. I want something or real value. Contrary to the talk that's gone around, I do not believe this draft to be weak. I think it lacks an unbelievable talent at the top, but 1-10 is stronger than half of the drafts in the last decade. And if Irving had continued to play at the same level he was at before the toe injury, then maybe we have that elite talent after all. He was better in those 1st nine games than John Wall, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul were at any point in their college careers.

I don't want to give Millsap away, but we should be looking to deal him for the right pieces.

LjJazzman · Post #14 » by **LjJazzman** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:34 pm

Bat wrote:I love how seriously people take these hypothetical trades.

Thornton/5 for Millsap/12 is definitely something I'd do. Get a starting 2/3 to replace CJ, move Hayward into the starting line up to replace AK, clear up the log jam with Favors as the starting PF, draft Walker/Kanter, continue to build for the future.

How are you that out of touch with the Jazz? Thorntons style doesnt fit us, and getting Walker or Kanter would be stupid. Kanter is the same size as Al and Favors, so we would have even more of a log jam, and walkers style couldn't be further from what we want in a pg.

Post #15 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:55 pm

If it's going to be possible with the lock out, I think this is the off season to trade Millsap for maximum value. He's not getting any better and he's going to be out of position a lot of the time. i think the SF talk is about the Jazz showing they won't accept a poor offer just to unclog the position.

Post #16 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:49 pm

I wouldn't include teh #12. Not sure I'd do teh original deal without #12 anyway. It'd have to be pre-lotto with no protections.

HolyToledo · Post #17 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:01 pm

obvisously if this were done it would have to be after the lottery to see why the picks are on draft day. Im ok with it if there is a certain player or players the Jazz want 5th and 6th pick. I dont think we need to trade up to get Jimmer, but I actually really want Jimmer on the Jazz. We need a shooter even if he is only a 3rd guard. Whiteside has alot of potential with a 10 cent brain. He showed alot in preseason. Im not sure what the Kings get out of this? They get an undersized PF to team up with an undersized center but only drop 5 picks. They would do this trade if they feel there is really no one they want fromt his draft.

I think the Jazz want Jimmer very badly and are moving up to get him while drafting another player at 6th pick.

I doubt the Jazz do anything and just hope Jimmer falls to the 12th pick.

BringtheD · Post #18 » by **BringtheD** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:24 pm

Well, Kings have a potential abomb on their roster. I think Cousins is just as advertised, and Stern and the rest of the league is hoping that he don't give the league a Artest like black eye. It's not outof the realm of possible scenarios. But the talent is their for Couisns. The Kings probably would rather bring in a hungry player like Millsap, who fills a position of need, fits in their personnel, and has also the chance to be a positive influence on Cousins. Those are some things that would be on my mind if I were the kings. With Millsap on the floor with Cousins they would have someone who has battled people's expectations, and continues to battle those expectations with success, that could be huge for Sacramento.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #19 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:02 pm

You can't be serious...

Whiteside and the 5th for Millsap and the 12th?

Millsap >>>>>> Whiteside. And we already have a 5th/6th pick anyways.

Give us Thorton and the 5th and it's a deal.

LjJazzman · Post #20 » by **LjJazzman** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:13 pm

HolyToledo wrote:
I think the Jazz want Jimmer very badly and are moving up to get him while drafting another player at 6th pick.

I doubt the Jazz do anything and just hope Jimmer falls to the 12th pick.

Why do you think that the jazz want jimmer badly?