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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#21 » by BigSlam » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:51 am

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fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.

It's actually amusing to see you still try to support the Hall Of Fame Hack when you have no idea about what was going on behind closed doors between him and the players.

And by the players, I mean ALL the players.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#22 » by BigSlam » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:52 am

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fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.

Henderson's been playing pretty well since he's been given a chance.

And since he has had the support of the head coach.
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Post#23 » by Paydro70 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:24 pm

By no stretch of the imagination did Adam Morrison have a "decent" rookie campaign.
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Post#24 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:06 pm

A crew should make this a reality show. Could challenge Dangerfield's "Old guy goes back to college, hilarity ensues" performance.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#25 » by Jaruff » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:56 pm

Paydro70 wrote:By no stretch of the imagination did Adam Morrison have a "decent" rookie campaign.


Compared to some top picks, I would argue he did. Did he shoot poorly? Yes. Was his defense bad? Sure. We certainly blew the pick but he wasn't no Hasheem Thabeet. Had he not been injured and had we stuck with Bernie or hired Silas, he would probably be our starter/sixth man right now.

For a college star with diabetes, I thought he did a good job adjusting to the NBA his first season. He was a promising prospect until the injury and LB not playing him didn't help his recovery at all. He's a softy like DJ.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#26 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:44 pm

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fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.


i said "ruin them on gameday". what i meant was, in the NBA larry can work with the young guys all he wants, but he was not ready to give the young guys steady minutes and they all had quick hooks if they made mistakes. what he was teaching them in practice was probably invaluable and greatly contributed to their overall knowledge, but he wasnt really doing them any favors by not letting them make mistakes in the games. larry was doing what he thought was best to win in the game on that day. that usually meant playing the experienced guys over the young guys and quickly pulling the young guys for mistakes that maybe wouldnt get a vet pulled.

so what i am saying is, larry the head coach, sometimes was in direct conflict with larry the teacher. as a head coach larry had an obligation to win now and play the guys he thought would give us the best chance to win today. larry the teacher was trying to mold young guys in practice.

if larry could just focus on the teaching aspect of the game as an assistant (the part he says he still loves the most) he wouldnt have to worry about the head coaching part of the game, where he has to bench those very same young players he is trying to develop.

we all know that larry the head coach is not willing to sit back and give a young player a lot of room to make mistakes on the floor during a game, even if by letting the young player make the mistakes it will eventually be good for the player in the long run.

larry needs to be larry the teacher, not larry the head coach.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#27 » by Battery » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:06 pm

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fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.

Henderson's been playing pretty well since he's been given a chance.



Henderson was HURT during training camp and didn't really get healthy until January. And when he did play those limited minutes during the first month, I was pretty much the only one here who noticed his potential. Almost everyone else wanted him gone. So don't give me the he didn't play Henderson excuse because he wanted to play him but every time he did Hendo came up gimpy.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#28 » by Battery » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:44 pm

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fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.


i said "ruin them on gameday". what i meant was, in the NBA larry can work with the young guys all he wants, but he was not ready to give the young guys steady minutes and they all had quick hooks if they made mistakes. what he was teaching them in practice was probably invaluable and greatly contributed to their overall knowledge, but he wasnt really doing them any favors by not letting them make mistakes in the games. larry was doing what he thought was best to win in the game on that day. that usually meant playing the experienced guys over the young guys and quickly pulling the young guys for mistakes that maybe wouldnt get a vet pulled.

so what i am saying is, larry the head coach, sometimes was in direct conflict with larry the teacher. as a head coach larry had an obligation to win now and play the guys he thought would give us the best chance to win today. larry the teacher was trying to mold young guys in practice.

if larry could just focus on the teaching aspect of the game as an assistant (the part he says he still loves the most) he wouldnt have to worry about the head coaching part of the game, where he has to bench those very same young players he is trying to develop.

we all know that larry the head coach is not willing to sit back and give a young player a lot of room to make mistakes on the floor during a game, even if by letting the young player make the mistakes it will eventually be good for the player in the long run.

larry needs to be larry the teacher, not larry the head coach.



So basically what you're saying is Larry is like every successful head coach in all sports. Do you think Phil Jackson would let Bynum play through his mistakes on the court? Uhhh no. You learn that stuff in practice so when you get into a game you are prepared. How hard you work in practice and how far along you are determines how much rope you get during a game.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#29 » by Battery » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:56 pm

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Battery wrote:
fatlever wrote:its a shame LBs ego can't accept being an assistant head coach in the NBA at this point in his career. that would be great. he could work with the young guys, but not ruin them on gameday and couldnt trade them.



Ummm what young player did he ruin here? And who did he trade that you didn't want to see get dealt? Please don't say Matt Carroll. That stiff was glued to the Mavs bench last season.

It's actually amusing to see you still try to support the Hall Of Fame Hack when you have no idea about what was going on behind closed doors between him and the players.

And by the players, I mean ALL the players.



Boo freaking hoo so your boy Nazr was upset Larry yelled at some of the youngins. Whatever. Nazr has been a cancer wherever he's been and worn out his welcome REAL FAST. He was a cancer and poisoning the minds of EVERY player on this team. Those players kill your team and they don't usually stay in one place for very long. The bottom line is winning cures everything. We lost some very close games early on which set this team back mentally, couple that with a tough early schedule, Jax starting off real slow and out of control, Crash up and down, key injuries to Henderson and Tyrus along with a very gimpy Livingston early on, THAT is all a recipe for starting the season very slow.

So you can babble all you want about what went on inside the locker room that we all don't know about (like it is some big mystery) the bottom line is LOSING tough close games can destroy teams. Then throw in an angry cancerous veteran player like Nazr, it was the perfect storm for team turmoil right off the bat. Oh and lets not forget losing Raymond and going with a player nobody on the team had any confidence in. Heck DJ didn't even have any confidence in himself. He was a horror show last season which contributed to a lot of the uneasiness to start this season. Crash and S-Jax were both pointing fingers at him.

But as we all know well probably not you, just most people who understand sports is that the players are never the ones who take the blame when things go bad, it is always the head coach. And Larry was the scapegoat for the players horrific play to start this season.

Oh and Larry helped us to the playoffs last season and we won 44 games. How quickly we forget. :roll:
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#30 » by Diop » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:29 am

Thats the first time I've heard that Nazr is/was a cancer.

Didn't Larry Brown complement him on his vet locker room presence at first? Saying how valuable he was for the younger players.
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Post#31 » by BigSlam » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:31 am

Sachmo wrote:Thats the first time I've heard that Nazr is/was a cancer.

Didn't Larry Brown complement him on his vet locker room presence at first? Saying how valuable he was for the younger players.

Here's the hilarious thing Sachmo: Nazzy was a "cancer"............but do you think that Larry Brown would be welcomed back to any teams he has coached in the last decade?
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Post#32 » by Battery » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:42 am

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Sachmo wrote:Thats the first time I've heard that Nazr is/was a cancer.

Didn't Larry Brown complement him on his vet locker room presence at first? Saying how valuable he was for the younger players.

Here's the hilarious thing Sachmo: Nazzy was a "cancer"............but do you think that Larry Brown would be welcomed back to any teams he has coached in the last decade?



Uh yeah, Philly welcomed him back. :oops: Can't blame him for NY who has the worst owner in professional sports, Isiah Thomas was the GM, and Stephon Marbury/Eddy Curry were main parts of his roster. Yikes! Granted he would not be welcomed back in Detroit but he did win a championship AND we see how that team has completely fallen apart since he's left. Perhaps if Dumbmars let Larry run the show there, they wouldn't be in the disastrous position they find themselves in today. Same with NY, if Dolan dumped Isiah and let Larry run the show, they would have been much better off. And here in Charlotte he still has a good relationship with MJ. Things just got off to a rocky start this season with the tough early season end of game losses, tough schedule, injuries, new starting point guard, and players still trying to find their groove, plus that di** Nazr poisoning the waters didn't help at all.

Larry Brown took us to the playoffs last season while Mr. Paul "Bouquet of Roses" Silas was laying in his hammock sipping lemonade. :P

Oh and LB had the cajones to dump Jokafor, something that should have been done 2 years ago. Y'all say he wanted DJ over Lopez and you guys were in LOVE with DJ for most of the season. So you should be happy with that considering Lopez is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He also help to draft Henderson and traded for TT who everyone here seems to love. And he also brought Jack here and dumped J-Stiff. So considering what he had to work with and our lack of trade-able assets, he did a good job shaping this roster. We made our mini run and now it is time to rebuild. Larry Brown did everything he was supposed to do and for that he doesn't deserve to be kicked in the gut after things didn't start off as good this season. Whatever. :roll:
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Post#33 » by SWedd523 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:22 am

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Post#34 » by Paydro70 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:14 am

Jaruff wrote:
Paydro70 wrote:By no stretch of the imagination did Adam Morrison have a "decent" rookie campaign.


Compared to some top picks, I would argue he did. Did he shoot poorly? Yes. Was his defense bad? Sure. We certainly blew the pick but he wasn't no Hasheem Thabeet. Had he not been injured and had we stuck with Bernie or hired Silas, he would probably be our starter/sixth man right now.

For a college star with diabetes, I thought he did a good job adjusting to the NBA his first season. He was a promising prospect until the injury and LB not playing him didn't help his recovery at all. He's a softy like DJ.

Selective memory, I think. He was probably the worst player in the NBA, and DEFINITELY the worst player to have close to so many minutes. He was horrific in every stage of the game, he had not one redeeming aspect. Thabeet may wash out of the NBA as well, but his tenure will have, amazing as it sounds, be more productive and successful than Morrison's was.

There is no possible way he would have been the starter no matter what the circumstances. You don't recover from a year as a sub-8 PER player with no defense whatsoever.
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Re: LB heading back to college? 

Post#35 » by RoundMoundOfRebound » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:49 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:A crew should make this a reality show. Could challenge Dangerfield's "Old guy goes back to college, hilarity ensues" performance.


HBO could do that if the NFL was on strike to replace that time slot...
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