Bismack Biyombo

Jazzfan12 · Post #101 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:17 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:Enes Kanter has knee issues, below average athleticism, and has played extremely limited basketball in the last 2.5 years. You can go either way for Biyombo or Kanter because neither is that spectacular of a prospect at all and both have their entire draft stock based on the Nike Hoops Summit week.

Biyombo's stock was skyrocketing before the Nike game. That's why he was invited in the first place.

It was, but it was skyrocketing into the late first-round before the practices and games.

EvanZ · Post #102 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:18 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:Enes Kanter has knee issues, below average athleticism, and has played extremely limited basketball in the last 2.5 years. You can go either way for Biyombo or Kanter because neither is that spectacular of a prospect at all and both have their entire draft stock based on the Nike Hoops Summit week.

Biyombo's stock was skyrocketing before the Nike game. That's why he was invited in the first place.

It was, but it was skyrocketing into the late first-round before the practices and games.

My qualm was with the word "entire".

Casperkid23 · Post #103 » by **Casperkid23** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:53 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Well, I'm not going to. I'm not a Biyombo expert and don't feel too strongly about ranking him one way or the other, I'll freely admit that. After last night and the above post I'm starting to buy into the Ibaka hype but he's a guy that scouts are going to have more information on than me for obvious reasons

But the way these things work (raw big men), as soon as everyone agrees the guy is a top 14 caliber prospect, he's probably going even higher. Some team is going to go '7'7 wingspan athletic IBAKA 2 BABY!' and take him top 8. I wouldn't want to be a fan of that team just out of fear, but I'd rather take the chance on Biyombo than Valanciunas

And what do you know, Biyombo's now #8 on DX's mock and ahead of Kanter. Fits so much with draft history. The Favors types will always go over the Monroe types.

I don't know if he's done. Top 5 is in play. Sacramento's a fit. Minnesota's a fit.

He might even deserve to be this high. But just to give an idea of how wild this jump has been, look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... t-history/ He pulled a Derrick Williams... in one week. Also, DX didn't even have an entry on him until April 4th and still don't have a real scouting report

DX had him as a top-20 prospect early March, and possibly earlier (I didn't log big boards from mid-Jan to early March) - he just wasn't included on their mocks, only their big board. I agree that he could be a mid-lotto and possibly go higher at this point, but it will come down to workouts and how he does against guys like Kanter, Valanciunas, Motiejunas, the Morris twins, and possibly Thompson.

And I don't know why you would be patting yourself on the back for blindly placing someone in your mock (pre-Nike) when you knew nothing of the guy outside of 2nd/3rd-hand knowledge.

ManualRam · Post #104 » by **ManualRam** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:10 pm

Casperkid23 wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Well, I'm not going to. I'm not a Biyombo expert and don't feel too strongly about ranking him one way or the other, I'll freely admit that. After last night and the above post I'm starting to buy into the Ibaka hype but he's a guy that scouts are going to have more information on than me for obvious reasons

But the way these things work (raw big men), as soon as everyone agrees the guy is a top 14 caliber prospect, he's probably going even higher. Some team is going to go '7'7 wingspan athletic IBAKA 2 BABY!' and take him top 8. I wouldn't want to be a fan of that team just out of fear, but I'd rather take the chance on Biyombo than Valanciunas

And what do you know, Biyombo's now #8 on DX's mock and ahead of Kanter. Fits so much with draft history. The Favors types will always go over the Monroe types.

I don't know if he's done. Top 5 is in play. Sacramento's a fit. Minnesota's a fit.

He might even deserve to be this high. But just to give an idea of how wild this jump has been, look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... t-history/ He pulled a Derrick Williams... in one week. Also, DX didn't even have an entry on him until April 4th and still don't have a real scouting report

DX had him as a top-20 prospect early March, and possibly earlier (I didn't log big boards from mid-Jan to early March) - he just wasn't included on their mocks, only their big board.

biyombo was in DX's 2012 mock earlier, late lotto i think. it wasnt til recently that they bumped him to 2011.

this is why it was a great move to attend hoop summit on his part. forget the spanish team he's playing with now, his immediate future is in the NBA.
no buyout info yet?

EvanZ · Post #105 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:21 pm

ManualRam wrote:no buyout info yet?

I read that it's around 1M euro.

S.W.A.N · Post #106 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:30 pm

Gotta love it when a semi unknown player jumps into the picture.Everyone wants to be the guy who first got his draft spot right. GM's start circulating rumours about his age (which could be true) and he bounces around draft boards big time based on a couple games.

Based on his physical tools and productivity in europe he has the potencial to be a very high pick this draft. Workouts will be the deciding factor...

But for a team that wants/needs a defensive big he has to be near the top of your wish list. Fact that he has reasonable buyout and can easily stay in europe during a lockout are nice bonus.

Storm Surge · Post #107 » by **Storm Surge** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:01 pm

I hope he falls to the Rockets pick.

sisibilio · Post #108 » by **sisibilio** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:22 pm

EvanZ wrote:
ManualRam wrote:no buyout info yet?

I read that it's around 1M euro.

I read it's around 400k or 500k but probably bwe are both wrong. :lol:

Aaron Brooks · Post #109 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:14 pm

Storm Surge wrote:I hope he falls to the Rockets pick.

Weems · Post #110 » by **Weems** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:39 am

I don't even care, I'd take this guy at 3. His stock will continue to rise with his workouts, no? Kanter's could plummet with his. Valancius is someone you worry about for a multitude of reasons. I'd take Biyombo because I've had less time to be skeptical about him - which is simply extraordinary reasoning.

This particular draft is a crap shoot anyways. The Raps need a lot of help, we have a horrible future. I'd take the risk.

EddieJonesFan · Post #111 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:19 am

Biyombo is your typical riser. He'll most likely get into the top 10 in this draft, especially when college players are dropping like flies.

LOBO 7 · Post #112 » by **LOBO 7** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:08 am

Given how young he is, his almost complete lack of experience, and how quickly he improved once he started getting minutes in Spain, I think we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg with this kid. I actually think his floor could be Ben Wallace and his ceiling could be much higher. I absolutely want the Wolves to get him, basically whatever it takes, trading up or down, depending on how things play out.

Post #113 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:40 pm

His floor isn't 4-time DPOY.

ManualRam · Post #114 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:19 pm

Worm Guts wrote:His floor isn't 4-time DPOY.

people dont really factor in accomplishments when making comparisons. i think from a skills, game and physical attributes perspective i could somewhat see the comparison. right now he looks more like a shot-blocking, rebounding, hustling guy. he's already physically strong and he's yet to receive NBA caliber weigh training program (which is different from those in europe). i think he'll be able to hold his position more than ibaka, who's just an OK rebounder now because bigs are able to get leverage on him.

i think what people mean when they say wallace is his floor is that biyombo has more potential offensively. maybe he wont be as prolific as wallace was as a shot blocker and rebounder, but those project to be his main strengths. i think "b.wallace type" wouldve been a more apt phrase.

EvanZ · Post #115 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:47 pm

Worm Guts wrote:His floor isn't 4-time DPOY.

I think I'm comfortable saying his floor is Chuck Hayes and his ceiling is Ben Wallace. Anywhere in the middle between those two would be a pretty solid NBA career.

Post #116 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:44 pm

With almost all the top level college prospects going back to school (PJones, Barnes, Sullinger, etc.) I think Biyombo is pretty much a lock for a top 10 pick at this point. He's everything scouts drool over.

Dr Positivity · Post #117 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:43 pm

I don't see why anybody would take Valanciunas over him, at least. There's nothing JV has that makes up for the strength and athleticism advantage Biyombo has over him. If I'm taking a raw big man project, give me the one with Biyombo's tools over JV who has little tools except long arms and playing hard

xprt · Post #118 » by **xprt** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:45 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't see why anybody would take Valanciunas over him, at least. There's nothing JV has that makes up for the strength and athleticism advantage Biyombo has over him. If I'm taking a raw big man project, give me the one with Biyombo's tools over JV who has little tools except long arms and playing hard

Well they both weight same and have very similar wingspan JV 7'6 Biyombo 7'7. Also JV is 7 footer who is very agile for his height. Yes Biyombo is better defender and shot blocker but JV is way better at offence. You take Biyombo and expect him to be monster on D, you take JV and expect him to be very good on d and off. Not to mention that JV basketball iq is better and he has way more experience as I heard Biyombo plays bbs for only 4years?

nahom1319 · Post #119 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:50 pm

competitively 2 years from what i've read....oh and having watched Biyombo play he also is very agile

droponov · Post #120 » by **droponov** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:45 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:You can go either way for Biyombo or Kanter because neither is that spectacular of a prospect at all and both have their entire draft stock based on the Nike Hoops Summit week.

I'm sorry, but that is absurd. Biyombo has been playing every week versus at a very high level, versus top level players and he has his entire draft stock based on an exhibition game vs some amateur kids? That's crazy.