Implicit vs. Overt Racism

mellymel · Post #1 » by **mellymel** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:27 pm

A big problem with these boards is that people are not allowed to legitimately voice out their opinions. And when people do post comments, expressing individual ideas, they are sometimes quickly taken off these boards because moderators here like to confuse implicit with overt racism.

By me saying, The Toronto Raptors have been playing considerably well with an all-Black starting 5.... is that racist?

Ask one moderator on the Toronto Raptors board, and he will say yes.

However, does my opinion not have legitimacy? Im not overtly stating "ALL WHITE GUYS SUCK AT BALL"... nor am I saying "ONLY AFRICAN-AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BALL", I'm simply voicing my opinion and implying that the raptors losing ways are correlated with the amount of white players on their starting five.
How can this not be a legitimate topic for discussion? I rarely post on these boards anyways, and when I try to voice my opinion, maybe because of the lack of posts I have, the comments are removed. How else can this forum promote active discussion amongst its users when its moderators are censoring legitimate, questionable, and discussion-abled comments?

Reignman · Post #2 » by **Reignman** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:29 pm

mellymel wrote:A big problem with these boards is that people are not allowed to legitimately voice out their opinions. And when people do post comments, expressing individual ideas, they are sometimes quickly taken off these boards because moderators here like to confuse implicit with overt racism.

By me saying, The Toronto Raptors have been playing considerably well with an all-Black starting 5.... is that racist?

Ask one moderator on the Toronto Raptors board, and he will say yes.

However, does my opinion not have legitimacy? Im not overtly stating "ALL WHITE GUYS SUCK AT BALL"... nor am I saying "ONLY AFRICAN-AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BALL", I'm simply voicing my opinion and implying that the raptors losing ways are correlated with the amount of white players on their starting five.
How can this not be a legitimate topic for discussion? I rarely post on these boards anyways, and when I try to voice my opinion, maybe because of the lack of posts I have, the comments are removed. How else can this forum promote active discussion amongst its users when its moderators are censoring legitimate, questionable, and discussion-abled comments?

There is no correlation between the colour of one's skin and the teams win/loss record.

Post #3 » by **itbobby007** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:30 pm

Here is Mel's thread BTW that was locked. - viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1105934&p=27570525#p27570525

Post #4 » by **Alfred** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:35 pm

This guy's thread started with "I don't want to sound racist but..." and had a "if we draft any more white people, I'm officially done with this team" and "Get rid of all the white boys, and we will be getting rid of a losing culture that relies on chucking up useless jump shots".

Would you like a herp with that derp?

mellymel · Post #5 » by **mellymel** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:50 pm

How can I even voice my complaints about this board "until my hearts content" when the same person locking my thread feels it so necessary to post comments in my complaint thread as well!... where is the democracy here?

As for Reignman, you clearly haven't been watching the raptors play recently.

mellymel · Post #6 » by **mellymel** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:52 pm

mellymel wrote:How can I even voice my complaints about this board "until my hearts content" when the same person locking my thread feels it so necessary to post his comments in my complaint thread as well!... where is the democracy here? We both know we're talking through PM's, there really is no need for you to try and silence me here as well.

As for Reignman, you clearly haven't been watching the raptors play recently.

Post #7 » by **Alfred** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:52 pm

So you wanted to start up a feedback thread without receiving any feedback.

mellymel · Post #8 » by **mellymel** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:53 pm

Alfred wrote:So you wanted to start up a feedback thread without receiving any feedback.

A non-biased feedback, yes.

That means no feedback from YOU my friend.

HSOB SIRHC · Post #9 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:55 pm

Doesn't Utah usually have a lot of "white" players on their team? Aren't they usually in the play-offs?

Post #10 » by **Alfred** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:59 pm

See, the idea behind this forum is to get feedback for a wide variety of things: how the forum works, requests from the administrators, and often, as a way to ask why a moderator closed your thread. Your thread was racist, and overtly racist, so it was locked and you were warned.

I hope this satisfies your curiosity as to why your thread was locked.

mellymel · Post #11 » by **mellymel** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:59 pm

Now Alfred I hope you don't lock this thread too now because we have a little discussion going on thats talking about races...

Generally speaking the Utah Jazz have put on starting lineups with many white players... at least more than the average NBA team...
You might also find it quite peculiar that the Utah Jazz have zero championships in franchise history... co-incidence?

HSOB SIRHC · Post #12 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:15 pm

-2006-2007 season. Raptors had 9 white players on the team..They tied a franchise record for most wins in a season...Coincidence?

-You said "Is it a coincidence that the Toronto Raptors have been playing winning basketball when all 5 starters being put onto the court are black?" Raptors are 2-4 in April. Bargs and Jose both played in one game in April..How is a 2-4 record winning basketball?

-You say you'd stop watching Raptors basketball if they trade for or draft a white player and then you say there are some exceptions to white players being good. So if the Raptors draft a white player and he turns out to be a star are you going to hop back on the Raptors bandwagon?

-Out of curiosity would you pass up the opportunity to get Blake Griffin? If you say no, then why say "Get rid of all the white boys, and we will be getting rid of a losing culture"???

Conclusion..Yup it's racist.

Post #13 » by **kyphi** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:01 pm

African-American players are the only ones that know how to ball night in a night out

That's racist and untrue

Post #14 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:57 pm

mellymel wrote:
Alfred wrote:So you wanted to start up a feedback thread without receiving any feedback.

A non-biased feedback, yes.

That means no feedback from YOU my friend.

The biased poster wants unbiased feedback regarding his bigotted comments. Good luck with that.

My unbiased opinion indicates that you're a tosser.

Reignman · Post #15 » by **Reignman** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:28 pm

Ok, let's take this in another direction.

In your opinion (melly), what is it about white players that make them lose more games than black players?

Beebeard · Post #16 » by **Beebeard** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:32 am

I am going to play the part of the black friend you never had and just assure you that every hypothetical you have posed has been extremely racist, yes.

I'm not trying to scold you nor am I even interested in your veiled racial agenda. It's just a heads up from one stranger to another, that couching it in these self-deprecating hypothetical questions doesn't actually make it race-neutral nor all that clever and subtle. It just sounds like you're trying to find a loophole in order to take a circuitous route to making anonymous, racist statements.

The bottom line for that kind of stuff is that if you really have to ask, and "think" or are pretending to think that it's in some gray area, then yes, it is racist. Of course it is.

To summarize: Black friend you never had, one stranger to another, subtle racism not that subtle after all, take it easy, etc.

now and 4 life · Post #17 » by **now and 4 life** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:23 pm

The raptors 22 win record with a mostly black team is somehow proof we need more black players?