Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[mappiah19]

And Ed Davis and Williams front court is very small in length and weight. Would rather go with Kanter.

Why does everyone make Davis out to be an undersized power forward?

He's taller than Griffin, has a better max vertical than Griffin and has a better 3/4 court sprint time as well. Now this is not me saying Daivs is better than Griffin as that would be ridiculous.

All I'm saying is that some people seem to think that Davis is small with relatively average athleticism, however that's simply not true. Yes Davis is very thin, but he has ideal height for the Power Forward
position and pretty darn good athleticism as well.

Easy there bud ... I have no doubts about Davis .. I just think D-Will is more of a 4. I agree with everything you are saying.

[fredericklove]

I definetly prefer him at power forward, although I do agree that he plays like a center. However, he does have a decent stroke out to 15 feet and he should be able to succeed to a greater extent at power forward, with smaller matchups and such.

Anyways, if we miss out on Irving, Williams and Barnes (dependent on if he declares) then I like the future of a Kanter/Davis frontcourt, assuming Kanter is our next pick after those three.

Ed has been averaging 13.7 pts, 9.1 reb and 1 block in last 10 games...that's pretty impressive considering he can't shoot. And yea, as long as we don't drop out of top 3 or 4 (if barnes declare), anyone of Irving, DWill, Barnes and kanter would be sweet to have.

[fredericklove]

Someone needs to teach Barnes the Time Value of Money, I hope one of those classes he supposedly enrolled in was finance

He enrolled in business management so I think he has to take finance and accounting maybe
Top 3 draft stock and the chance to fight DWill for the #1 spot if Wiz or Minn wins the lottery, damn it's so hard not to declare. Damn HB I hate him for valuing education pfft.

[JYD]

Great news Derrick Williams is entering. Whether you think he's a 3 or 4, just be thankful another top prospect didn't opt out.

Personally, I agree D-Williams can be a power 3. He has a perimeter shot, his handles are there (not GREAT but he can create for himself), and we all know about his athleticism.

Do you think he can guard NBA SFs? Regardless of where his offense comes from, if he can't then he's a 4, not a 3.

To me he looks like a classic tweener, like an Antawn Jamison. He should be a very good offensive player but will have some serious defensive issues in the NBA. Do we want to go down the Bargs route again, taking a guy with really good offense but mediocre D, and at a position where we are pretty stacked?

I guess we could take him as BPA, but then I would expect to trade him, as I think Ed Davis is a better overall prospect for us at PF.

[yayotube]

Great news Derrick Williams is entering. Whether you think he's a 3 or 4, just be thankful another top prospect didn't opt out.

Personally, I agree D-Williams can be a power 3. He has a perimeter shot, his handles are there (not GREAT but he can create for himself), and we all know about his athleticism.

Do you think he can guard NBA SFs? Regardless of where his offense comes from, if he can't then he's a 4, not a 3.

To me he looks like a classic tweener, like an Antawn Jamison. He should be a very good offensive player but will have some serious defensive issues in the NBA. Do we want to go down the Bargs route again, taking a guy with really good offense but mediocre D, and at a position where we are pretty stacked?

I guess we could take him as BPA, but then I would expect to trade him, as I think Ed Davis is a better overall prospect for us at PF.

I think he is an NBA SF on both ends, that's why I mentioned the specific example I did regarding his foot speed. Obviously, workouts are gonna tell us everything we need to know. Therefore he'll be deemed as a 3 if he can defend SF's in the NBA. If he can, we draft him as a 3. If he's not, then it gets interesting, and we could draft him as BPA and trade him as you suggest. But I'm just saying my gut feeling is that he'll show the ability to defend SF's. He gave me the tweener vibe up until the tourney.

[sunny]

I wish the best of luck to Derrick Williams and hope he gets drafted number 1. He was a tremendous representative of the University of Arizona and an outstanding asset to the development of Sean Miller's program.



Go Derrick Go!

[mappiah19]

Great news Derrick Williams is entering. Whether you think he's a 3 or 4, just be thankful another top prospect didn't opt out.

Personally, I agree D-Williams can be a power 3. He has a perimeter shot, his handles are there (not GREAT but he can create for himself), and we all know about his athleticism.

Do you think he can guard NBA SFs? Regardless of where his offense comes from, if he can't then he's a 4, not a 3.

To me he looks like a classic tweener, like an Antawn Jamison. He should be a very good offensive player but will have some serious defensive issues in the NBA. Do we want to go down the Bargs route again, taking a guy with really good offense but mediocre D, and at a position where we are pretty stacked?

I guess we could take him as BPA, but then I would expect to trade him, as I think Ed Davis is a better overall prospect for us at PF.

Totally agree. I have the same concerns.

[mappiah19]

I wish the best of luck to Derrick Williams and hope he gets drafted number 1. He was a tremendous representative of the University of Arizona and an outstanding asset to the development of Sean Miller's program.



Go Derrick Go!

If WAS gets the number 1 pick

[Silk Wilkes]

And Ed Davis and Williams front court is very small in length and weight. Would rather go with Kanter.

Williams is 6'8" 235 at the small forward spot, how's that small? Or are you another one of those people
assuming we're gonna draft him as a 4th Power Forward for some reason?

Wait you're the one who said last year that Ed Davis would be a bust if I recall? lol

I'm not trying to make you feel bad (just kidding). I just don't see him as a 3 but he's not an ideal fit beside DeRozan. The both of them don't have good handles and would require a playmaking pg to facilitate their offence. But I hear what you are saying though.

I'm just hoping we either get the 1 pick to select Irving or the 3rd pick to select one of Kanter or Barnes (hoping he enters the draft). I don't want the 2nd pick and having to deal with D-Will because I think he is a risky pick.

Lol I didn't say he would be a bust. I said that I wouldn't take him because he had a high bust potential in my opinion. It's all good though, most of us are wrong more than we're right when it comes to the draft, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, the jury is still out on Ed. We just need to keep our fingers crossed he stays a steal.

I think Williams fits perfectly besides DeMar to be honest. He takes good shots and can stretch the defense. He also provides a guy who can defend the bigger wing players in the NBA. I agree we need a playmaker to help them out though. Hopefully JBay keeps progressing and we can get Isiah Austin as our Point Centre in the near future

My board still remains 1) Irving 2) Barnes 3) Williams 4) Kanter

[Prestige]

Great news Derrick Williams is entering. Whether you think he's a 3 or 4, just be thankful another top prospect didn't opt out.

Personally, I agree D-Williams can be a power 3. He has a perimeter shot, his handles are there (not GREAT but he can create for himself), and we all know about his athleticism.

Do you think he can guard NBA SFs? Regardless of where his offense comes from, if he can't then he's a 4, not a 3.

To me he looks like a classic tweener, like an Antawn Jamison. He should be a very good offensive player but will have some serious defensive issues in the NBA. Do we want to go down the Bargs route again, taking a guy with really good offense but mediocre D, and at a position where we are pretty stacked?

I guess we could take him as BPA, but then I would expect to trade him, as I think Ed Davis is a better overall prospect for us at PF.

What if we find out that Williams is actually a 4, and later on that he has star potential and he''s a better overall player than Ed Davis. What do we do then? This is why you don't make rash decisions.

I'm of the opinion that we draft Williams as the BPA at the 2nd pick, and then work things out later. Ed isn't good enough to make decisions around yet. And I would hate to trade Williams on draft night and see him become an All-Star.

[JYD]

Fair enough, but personally I don't see him becoming much of a better overall player than Davis. Davis is showing signs of some pretty good offensive potential to go with his D..Williams would have to be an elite NBA scorer to put him head and shoulders above a Davis, IMO.

Personally I'd like to get my hands on a good C, but of course BPA is ultimately the right choice if we feel Williams' talent/ potential is head and shoulders above that of some of the other players available when we pick.

[team edward]

Interesting that two of the top 5 picks, and the two many Rap fans would be happiest to get, either did not play or played very little last season. I know Irving looked good when he did play, but Kanter hasn't been in an organized basketball game for some time. What are the chances either or both agree to worlouts? I figure it's more likely Kanter will work out, since not playing whatsoever will presumably be a big question mark that could push him down some spots, which could cost him significant amounts of money. No reason for Kyrie to workout so long as he is still consensus #1....

[JYD]

Personally I don't get where the sudden Kanter love is coming from, especially when he hasn't done much in a long time and basically looks like he's going to avoid certain workout/showcase situations to preserve a decent draft slot. AND considering both Jonas V and Biyombo have shown very good production in competitive settings (against other grown men, not against kids).

[CanadaB-Ball]

Personally I don't get where the sudden Kanter love is coming from, especially when he hasn't done much in a long time and basically looks like he's going to avoid certain workout/showcase situations to preserve a decent draft slot. AND considering both Jonas V and Biyombo have shown very good production in competitive settings (against other grown men, not against kids).

No way I would take Biyombo over Kanter. No way.

Of course that's a personal thing, I just don't understand why anyone would.

[sunny]

I wish the best of luck to Derrick Williams and hope he gets drafted number 1. He was a tremendous representative of the University of Arizona and an outstanding asset to the development of Sean Miller's program.



Go Derrick Go!

If WAS gets the number 1 pick

I think the raptors are the only team that would 100% take Kyrie over Derrick. Derrick is IMO the likely first pick.

Washington, Cleveland and Minnesota are all more likely to take Derrick.

[JYD]

Personally I don't get where the sudden Kanter love is coming from, especially when he hasn't done much in a long time and basically looks like he's going to avoid certain workout/showcase situations to preserve a decent draft slot. AND considering both Jonas V and Biyombo have shown very good production in competitive settings (against other grown men, not against kids).

No way I would take Biyombo over Kanter. No way.

Of course that's a personal thing, I just don't understand why anyone would.

Well besides looking at his physical profile and the Nike game, look at his ACB league numbers. Double his minutes, to about 35, and he's averaging better than a double double with almost 5 blocks. This is in the Spanish league, basically the highest level of competition overseas. And if you're concerned about projecting minutes for a foul-prone player, he's actually not foul prone at all, with a 4.7 foul rate per 40 minutes.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Personally I don't get where the sudden Kanter love is coming from, especially when he hasn't done much in a long time and basically looks like he's going to avoid certain workout/showcase situations to preserve a decent draft slot. AND considering both Jonas V and Biyombo have shown very good production in competitive settings (against other grown men, not against kids).

No way I would take Biyombo over Kanter. No way.

Of course that's a personal thing, I just don't understand why anyone would.

Well besides looking at his physical profile and the Nike game, look at his ACB league numbers. Double his minutes, to about 35, and he's averaging better than a double double with almost 5 blocks. This is in the Spanish league, basically the highest level of competition overseas. And if you're concerned about projecting minutes for a foul-prone player, he's actually not foul prone at all, with a 4.7 foul rate per 40 minutes.

Well, we may as well pick Jimmer, he tore up College ball.

Give me the 6'11'' 280 pound monster over the 6'9'' kid he just burst onto the scene with a good showing at the Hoops Summit.

I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree with it.

[toka]

Well, we may as well pick Jimmer, he tore up College ball.

Give me the 6'11'' 280 pound monster over the 6'9'' kid he just burst onto the scene with a good showing at the Hoops Summit.

I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree with it.

O K that was fair. Let me try. Give me the uber-athletic Beast with a 7'7'' wingspan over the slow-footed dude with the 7'1" wing span.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Well, we may as well pick Jimmer, he tore up College ball.

Give me the 6'11'' 280 pound monster over the 6'9'' kid he just burst onto the scene with a good showing at the Hoops Summit.

I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree with it.

O K that was fair. Let me try. Give me the uber-athletic Beast with a 7'7'' wingspan over the slow-footed dude with the 7'1" wing span.

Well, lets not quit now.

Give me the kid who scouts prefer heavily to Biyombo, rather than the kid who none of us knew a week ago.

[Truthrising]

I can see clearly see that Biyombo has bust written all over him. It's funny with just 1 game everyone jumps on his bandwagon.