Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

fredericklove · Post #221 » by **fredericklove** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:10 am

Rapsfan4life wrote:I'd be happy to if we get barnes (if he declares), knight and kanter (depending on measurements) if we dont get a top 5 pick then we trade it

Using a top 5 pick on knight, umm, got it!

Post #222 » by **5DOM** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:10 am

ShelB wrote:Two player draft. If it's not Top 2, trade it.

shortmikeshortt · Post #223 » by **shortmikeshortt** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:14 am

He's an absolute beast, MADE for the NBA, he will be a star in my opinion.

However, like everyones saying, if Barnes doesn't come out, and we aren't top 2, you'd have to look to move down...there's some nice guys later in the lottery or mid/late 1st...but if you're picking up 3-6 you're reaching for someone.

mowcrowbar · Post #224 » by **mowcrowbar** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:14 am

Rapsfan4life wrote:I'd be happy to if we get barnes (if he declares), knight and kanter (depending on measurements) if we dont get a top 5 pick then we trade it

I don't know about you, but I'd take Williams over Barnes if Irving is gone.

Rapsfan4life · Post #225 » by **Rapsfan4life** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:16 am

mowcrowbar wrote:
Rapsfan4life wrote:I'd be happy to if we get barnes (if he declares), knight and kanter (depending on measurements) if we dont get a top 5 pick then we trade it

I don't know about you, but I'd take Williams over Barnes if Irving is gone.

yeye irving is my number one pick and williams is my number 2 pick but even if we stay at 3 or move down to 4 or 5 i wouldnt mind those 3 prospects

CapeCrusader · Post #226 » by **CapeCrusader** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:23 am

I thought he declared a while ago. Oh well, guess its official now.

God Squad · Post #227 » by **God Squad** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:26 am

Great news.Stupid Barnes. Just declare

Comeatme_Bro · Post #228 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:27 am

Barnes needs to:

tecumseh18 · Post #229 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:39 am

An advantage of drafting a "Euro" (i.e. kids now playing in the Euro leagues) this time is that they will continue to develop with good coaching next year during the lockout. What the hell are Irving and D-Will gonna do?

sisibilio · Post #230 » by **sisibilio** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:43 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:Imo, Kanter looks like he's somewhere between a Greg Monroe and a Marc Gasol in terms of size/athleticism. At 26 now, Gasol's got the same wingspan (7-1"), and same weight (265) as Kanter's Hoop Summit measurements from a year ago. At 20, Monroe's 9'0.5" standing reach is closer to Kanter's. They can all create and score in the post, and can step out to knock down jumpers. Gasol's the better shotblocker and is an excellent passer, but Kanter looks more mobile and active on the glass.

I don't think he's unathletic at all, he's more of a traditional bang in the post big rather than an athletic freak. He's still the youngest kind to ever play in the Euroleague, beat out Jonas the two times they faced each other in the U-18 Championship last year (and averaged 18.6/16.4/1.8 in that tournament), had rival teams refusing to play against him when he went to Stone Ridge Prep (where he apparently averaged 35/20 in his senior season), drops 21/17 in the Jordan Brand Classic in 2008, and 34/13 in 24 mins at the Hoop Summit last year. Didn't get to play for Kentucky this year, but practices with Calipari and draws praise from his coach/teammates as part of the reason they were able to do so well. In this draft, where we've seen three top prospects drop out now, I think he's definitely one of the top 4 players available.

Just for the record, the u-18 european championship you're talking about was 2 years ago, not lasi year.
In 2009 the lith guards were just atrocious, as dumb as it gets, it was a brickfest all tournament long. The only game where they really played trogh Valanciunas was the SF vs France where he scored almost 40. While i might agree that Kanter was slightly more dominant at that point, it was due to his early physical maturation, he looked like Hulk compared to Jonas and even the guys 1 year older
In the championship held in 2010 Lithuania rolled over every oponent with Jonas leading the way and winning undisputedly the MVP.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #231 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:49 am

Reef wrote:Biyombo reminds me of Ibaka. Some people overrate wingspan too much and don't look at actual basketball skills.

isn't that part of his appeal? Ibaka is a great young player.... although I think there's some key differences. Ibaka had a solid jumper coming into the league, and better overall offensive upside imo. However Biyombo is a bigger prospect. He weighs 20 lbs more than Ibaka did, and has a ridiculous wingspan that gives him the standing reach of most C's in the league. But both are very athletic, and look solid defensively.

sisibilio · Post #232 » by **sisibilio** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:54 am

Ibaka is a natural PF who can play as center if required, not the opposite, while Biyombo is basically a traditional C.

Comeatme_Bro · Post #233 » by **Comeatme_Bro** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:55 am

tecumseh18 wrote:An advantage of drafting a "Euro" (i.e. kids now playing in the Euro leagues) this time is that they will continue to develop with good coaching next year during the lockout. What the hell are Irving and D-Will gonna do?

Irving doesn't need to develop. He's already a superstar.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #234 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:04 am

sisibilio wrote:Just for the record, the u-18 european championship you're talking about was 2 years ago, not lasi year.
In 2009 the lith guards were just atrocious, as dumb as it gets, it was a brickfest all tournament long. The only game where they really played trogh Valanciunas was the SF vs France where he scored almost 40. While i might agree that Kanter was slightly more dominant at that point, it was due to his early physical maturation, he looked like Hulk compared to Jonas and even the guys 1 year older
In the championship held in 2010 Lithuania rolled over every oponent with Jonas leading the way and winning undisputedly the MVP.

Sorry, thanks for pointing that out. I agree that Jonas has definitely come a long way and I think of the three bigs that we might potentially consider with our pick (Kanter/Jonas/Biyombo), he's probably the most balanced in terms of potential on both ends. He definitely needs to get stronger and fill out some more though.

tecumseh18 · Post #235 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:05 am

Comeatme_Bro wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:An advantage of drafting a "Euro" (i.e. kids now playing in the Euro leagues) this time is that they will continue to develop with good coaching next year during the lockout. What the hell are Irving and D-Will gonna do?

Irving doesn't need to develop. He's already a superstar.

I would never suggest drafting anyone over Irving. But if we end up at #2 and KI is gone, who do you draft?

yayotube · Post #236 » by **yayotube** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:06 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
I would never suggest drafting anyone over Irving. But if we end up at #2 and KI is gone, who do you draft?

Williams, Kanter or Barnes, and not necessarily in that order

MEDIC · Post #237 » by **MEDIC** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:47 am

Who know.....maybe Terry Davis feeds his boy Growth Hormone/ Roid & protien cocktails all summer & he comes back 260lbs.

Davis plays C & our new starting PF is Williams!

Macho · Post #238 » by **Macho** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:50 am

I read that Williams see's himself as an NBA small forward.

RaptorReloaded · Post #239 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:56 am

On O I think D.Will can play SF. It's just on D he might get burned. Maybe.. Watching him he didnt seem to play like your typical pf. He was more of a face up player with range. Like Beasly but with a better shot and can take contact.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #240 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:07 am

RaptorReloaded wrote:On O I think D.Will can play SF. It's just on D he might get burned. Maybe.. Watching him he didnt seem to play like your typical pf. He was more of a face up player with range. Like Beasly but with a better shot and can take contact.

I actually think he'd struggle more defending NBA PFs vs. NBA SFs. I think he's a strong, athletic SF like Melo/Beasley...but NBA PFs are going to be too much to handle. And if that's the case, we can have a very good, athletic lineup with Jerryd/DeMar/DWill/Ed/_?_