OT: College term paper: Jimmer-mania

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

So I've decided to write my English term paper on Jimmer Fredette and his NBA potential (awesome right?).

What I would really appreciate is some of your opinions about Fredette and how good/bad of an NBA prospect you believe he is or how good/bad of a career you think he will have in the NBA. It's really opened ended as far as what I want to hear from you guys, anything you want to say will work just fine. I know there has been much discussion about him as a prospect around the forum already but I was hoping to consolidate some of those discussions in here.

If I decide to quote any of you in my paper I will send you a pm asking you for your permission and I'll also probably want your name for citation purposes (at least your first name and last initial if you're paranoid about giving me your full name).

I would really appreciate any comments, thoughts, discussions or just whatever else you guys want to do in here as long as it's about Jimmer Fredette and his NBA potential.

I appreciate everyone's efforts, thank you.

PM me if you have any questions/concerns.

[HolyToledo]

He will be in the league a very long time because he can shoot which is a lost art for NBA players. He will likely be best suited as a backup PG who can play SG versus smaller back courts. I was against drafting him initially be he will never be an allstar guard. He will likley be as bad as Steve Kerr or Eddie House or as good as Hornacek/Stephen Curry. His game reminds me alot of Stephen Curry as he can shoot, not a traditional PG, and probably going to be a bad defender. As you can see I'm not a huge curry fan.

[DelaneyRudd]

DelaneyRudd says his ceiling is Stephan Curry and his basement is a way too short Kyle Korver.

[carrottop12]

I'm curious about what your assignment is?

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I'm curious about what your assignment is?

Our term paper is a persuasive essay on whatever topic we wanted to write about. My professor gave the example of someone who wrote about about Kobe vs. LeBron last semester so it got me thinking about what I could write about that was basketball related.

I chose Jimmer Fredette and his NBA potential as my topic because it's a time relevant topic that I hear people debating about all the time and I've done more than my fair share amount of research on him already because of the Jazz. I'm a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge draft guy and I spend waaaaaaaaaay too much time researching players pre-draft so I thought this would be a perfect time to combine my usually time wasting hobby into something productive.

I could post the finished paper on here once I'm done writing it if you guys would like to read it.

[Paper Face]

If he's too big a distraction to even attend classes on the Y campus, you could examine his messianic effect upon a student body that purports to worship Jesus. A paper on a subculture of idol worship within a monotheistic religious culture would probably get you an A in any English class. Simply indicate how worshipping two deities who are somehow congruous because of religious affiliation actually transforms the subculture into, on one level, a polytheistic religion. Then compare this subculture to other pagan religions wherein some deities are favored over others (Greek, Roman, Norse, Etc.), and you will find plenty of parallels to fill out the page count.

[carrottop12]

Write your paper about idol worship, specifically Jimmer.

[HammerDunk]

Write your article on butt hurt Ute and Aggie fans.

[yonexpro1]

Jimmer is eddie house, with some stroke from Gods hands he could be jason terry.

his lack of height is gonna limit him ,but at the end of the day half the guys in the NBA dont play D anyway (I think it was nissalke or chiesa who said that) albeit he uses 30 fga to get 28 pts but whatever

[HammerDunk]

Jimmer is eddie house, with some stroke from Gods hands he could be jason terry.

his lack of height is gonna limit him ,but at the end of the day half the guys in the NBA dont play D anyway (I think it was nissalke or chiesa who said that) albeit he uses 30 fga to get 28 pts but whatever

He actually only shot over 30 fga once and scored 52 pts on 37 fga. This guy is a bad source for your paper.

[carrottop12]

So obviously the approach you have to take when writing a persuasive paper to write your thesis; Jimmer Fredette will be a good NBA player.

Then, you support that argument with professional/academic sources that prove that similar guys to Jimmer go into the NBA are are "good NBA players."

How do you do that? You go through players who had similar stats to Jimmer in college, and played similar roles, then you looked at how they played in the NBA to show how well Jimmer will play in the league.

Then you write your conclusion going back over your argument, and summarizing the key points/thesis.

Unfortunately if you are trying to write a paper about why he will succeed, and for HammerDunk/BYU Homers, you won't find jack to support your argument. Undersized, slow, awful defenders who best skill is shooting never stick around in the NBA, and if they do, they bounce around as 9th and 10th men on their teams.

Will he have a career in the league? Yes, will he be any good? No.

[HammerDunk]

Hey, I'm not saying he'll be good or not, but I think it's funny that you guys are already saying he'll be bad. You call me a homer, I'm simply saying he never had a 30 fga 28 pt game and that any college bball fan from the state of Utah that isn't BYU fan doesn't like him for the simple reason that he is from BYU. You are as bad or worse of a homer than I am. Honestly, I think the Eddie House comparison is probably spot on, and I doubt he will be much more than him. Hope I'm wrong.

[StocktonShorts]

So obviously the approach you have to take when writing a persuasive paper to write your thesis; Jimmer Fredette will be a good NBA player.

Then, you support that argument with professional/academic sources that prove that similar guys to Jimmer go into the NBA are are "good NBA players."

How do you do that? You go through players who had similar stats to Jimmer in college, and played similar roles, then you looked at how they played in the NBA to show how well Jimmer will play in the league.

Then you write your conclusion going back over your argument, and summarizing the key points/thesis.

Unfortunately if you are trying to write a paper about why he will succeed, and for HammerDunk/BYU Homers, you won't find jack to support your argument. Undersized, slow, awful defenders who best skill is shooting never stick around in the NBA, and if they do, they bounce around as 9th and 10th men on their teams.

Will he have a career in the league? Yes, will he be any good? No.

Yeah, you're better off going with the whole Jimmer-worship angle.

[Luigi]

A lot of people think Jimmer is a shooter. This is forgivable, since so many of his highlights are from the 4 point line. However, Jimmer is much more of a scorer than a shooter. One dimensional shooters don't have that bad of a track record in the NBA--everyone needs a shooter. But Jimmer's proven he can score while being the focal point of entire defenses in college. He scored more ppg than the NBA leading Kevin Durant this year. People forget just how many points Jimmer got you in a short college game, and in a variety of ways. He demolished the next closest guy for the scoring title, and most people don't appreciate that gap.

If Jimmer gets called on to be a weak side, spot up shooter, I expect him to have a poor NBA career. I'm hoping he finds an offense that gives him some freedom or he's toast. Backup PG or off the bench SG to D'antoni would be ideal in my mind. Remember how good Dragic and Barbosa looked? Jimmer has many offensive tools, and coach pringles could make them matter.

[carrottop12]

Hey, I'm not saying he'll be good or not, but I think it's funny that you guys are already saying he'll be bad. You call me a homer, I'm simply saying he never had a 30 fga 28 pt game and that any college bball fan from the state of Utah that isn't BYU fan doesn't like him for the simple reason that he is from BYU. You are as bad or worse of a homer than I am. Honestly, I think the Eddie House comparison is probably spot on, and I doubt he will be much more than him. Hope I'm wrong.

Explain.

[StocktonShorts]

You call me a homer, I'm simply saying he never had a 30 fga 28 pt game and that any college bball fan from the state of Utah that isn't BYU fan doesn't like him for the simple reason that he is from BYU. You are as bad or worse of a homer than I am.

I could be wrong but I think anti-BYU-basketball sentiment from Utah fans is at an all-time low, partly because of the state of the Utah basketball program and partly because Jimmer's a really likeable guy.

I think with Jimmer you're probably seeing the most objective view of a BYU player ever by in-state non-BYU fans.

[HammerDunk]

Hey, I'm not saying he'll be good or not, but I think it's funny that you guys are already saying he'll be bad. You call me a homer, I'm simply saying he never had a 30 fga 28 pt game and that any college bball fan from the state of Utah that isn't BYU fan doesn't like him for the simple reason that he is from BYU. You are as bad or worse of a homer than I am. Honestly, I think the Eddie House comparison is probably spot on, and I doubt he will be much more than him. Hope I'm wrong.

Explain.

You've already written him off that he will be trash in the NBA. Seems pretty clear to me that you are being a homer against him.

Hayward had plenty of detractors on draft day, and still has them, and much of it has to do with the perception that he is slow and a bad defender because he was a white guy who scored a lot of points in college. I said all along, give the guy a shot. Don't write him off for stupid biases. He is turning out to be much more than that, but look back at draft day threads, and it is clear. Sure Jimmer isn't 6'8, but he has a lot of skills that people are quick to write off. I'm not saying you have to be a fan of him, but saying outright that he is already a failure based on the past is pretty shortsighted and smacks of pure homerism.

[HammerDunk]

You call me a homer, I'm simply saying he never had a 30 fga 28 pt game and that any college bball fan from the state of Utah that isn't BYU fan doesn't like him for the simple reason that he is from BYU. You are as bad or worse of a homer than I am.

I could be wrong but I think anti-BYU-basketball sentiment from Utah fans is at an all-time low, partly because of the state of the Utah basketball program and partly because Jimmer's a really likeable guy.

I think with Jimmer you're probably seeing the most objective view of a BYU player ever by in-state non-BYU fans.

Which would explain why somebody completely made up a stat to prove why he isn't going to succeed in the NBA???

[StocktonShorts]

Which would explain why somebody completely made up a stat to prove why he isn't going to succeed in the NBA???

I'm just saying if you think there's anti-BYU bias toward Jimmer right now, ten years ago it would've been A LOT worse.

[carrottop12]

Agreed, I actually think most Utah fans, myself included really liked Jimmer. He was very likable, easy to root for, never cocky.

However, as a Jazz fan, I hate his ass.