Rockets and McHale agree to a 3year deal, 4th year TO

x- · Post #1 » by x- » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:46 pm

MaxRider · Post #2 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:22 pm

No
I was against signing him in the first place
he's a good coach no offense
but not a good one to develop young players
don't give me Landry and Budinger
he had to play them because of injured
he had Gerald Wallace for 4 years and he didn't make it to his rotation

Thibodeau may not be what he is now if he wasn't assistant for the Boston team
but now i don't know any good candidate (i don't follow other team too close to know their assistant)

Aaron Brooks · Post #3 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:11 pm

Keep.

He does develop players. Unless you're a top 5 pick on a terrible team, you need to earn your playing time. Scola, Landry, Patterson, Brooks and whoever else all rode the pine for a couple months to soak everything in before being thrown onto the court. Of course they also had to go hard in practice too.

Who did we fail to develop exactly? Dorsey? Taylor? they don't seem to be doing anything on their current teams either. Jury is still out on Terrence and Thabeet.

Only coach I can think of that develops players is Pop, but his rookies have the benefit of playing with 3 all-stars that can cover up for their mistakes, whereas we don't have that benefit. A couple of bad possessions and thats the game for us.

Aaron Brooks · Post #4 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:13 pm

Jonathan_Feigen wrote:Courtney Lee said players are one by one asking Rockets management in exit interviews to keep Rick Adelman. #hounews

MaxRider · Post #5 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:24 pm

how do you know if player is good enough play or not if you don't play them?
if iverson is playing for adelman he will never get to play
the guy don't practice
team aint going anywhere and yet he go out and play only 7-men
good thing is ... he got the win ... making him #7 all time winning coach

i still think morey traded away alston to force adelman to play brooks

rocketsballin · Post #6 » by **rocketsballin** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:47 pm

i defeinitely want him to stay, for at least 2 years. see what moves we make. if in the 2012 offseason we make a move that puts us in the playoffs (not the cheap brad miller or ariza deals) then rick's system will be really helpful. within 3 years we could make a big push for a superstar and then have a contending team.

but rick is old and his coaching career is nearing an end, so he definitely doesnt wanna wait too long to get in the playoffs, which is why morey should make some moves this offseason. im too lazy to type everything i wanna say lol

i dont mind a new coach, especially if we're not makin the playoffs next year.

MaxRider · Post #7 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:55 pm

roxfashoballin wrote:i defeinitely want him to stay, for at least 2 years. see what moves we make. if in the 2012 offseason we make a move that puts us in the playoffs (not the cheap brad miller or ariza deals) then rick's system will be really helpful. within 3 years we could make a big push for a superstar and then have a contending team.

but rick is old and his coaching career is nearing an end, so he definitely doesnt wanna wait too long to get in the playoffs, which is why morey should make some moves this offseason. im too lazy to type everything i wanna say lol

i dont mind a new coach, especially if we're not makin the playoffs next year.

don't mind new coach
problem is ... no good candidate
unless you guys want jerry sloan

Baller 24 · Post #8 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:33 pm

If the job is to create a contender this off season, then sure why not keep? if not, then really no need to waste each others times.

Aaron Brooks · Post #9 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:58 pm

MaxRider wrote:how do you know if player is good enough play or not if you don't play them?
if iverson is playing for adelman he will never get to play
the guy don't practice
team aint going anywhere and yet he go out and play only 7-men
good thing is ... he got the win ... making him #7 all time winning coach

i still think morey traded away alston to force adelman to play brooks

They see enough in practice, you go hard in practice to earn a rotation spot. You then go hard during the games to keep your spot, simple logic.
How was this team not going anywhere? up until last week we were still competing for a playoff spot. So unless we're a contender we should just tank every season? It's thinking like that that leads to a losing culture.
Hes on the last year of his contract, is he suppose to "develop" players for a team that he might not even coach next year? Heck, he might not even coach next year, so of course hes gonna go as far as he can with the team that he has.

Guy986 · Post #10 » by **Guy986** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:44 am

Adelman is a great coach. I hope we keep him. There isn't anybody better that is available.

zapatasblood · Post #11 » by **zapatasblood** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:27 am

I vote to not extend him. He is a good coach and can do a lot of things like get a average team to play good and get you the playoffs but he can win a ring. 20 some odd years tell me so and he has had some very good teams. I think there are a few coaches out there some whom we may not know about but you have to give someone a chance. I am hoping for the Shaw or whatever his name is in L.A.

x- · Post #12 » by x- » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:12 am

Aaron Brooks wrote:
Jonathan_Feigen wrote:Courtney Lee said players are one by one asking Rockets management in exit interviews to keep Rick Adelman. #hounews

Naw can't say I was homie “@BHiGkNaStEe: @TheRealTWill were you in there asking the Front Office to keep Coach Rick Adelman?”

http://twitter.com/#!/TheRealTWill/stat ... 3758046208 :lol:

Also, Video: Rockets Players Hope Adelman Comes Back Next Season

PocketRockets · Post #13 » by **PocketRockets** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:31 am

zapatasblood wrote:I vote to not extend him. He is a good coach and can do a lot of things like get a average team to play good and get you the playoffs but he can win a ring. 20 some odd years tell me so and he has had some very good teams. I think there are a few coaches out there some whom we may not know about but you have to give someone a chance. I am hoping for the Shaw or whatever his name is in L.A.

1) We're not going to win a ring anytime in the next 3-4 years. With Miami, Chi, OKC, there's no way we can develop faster than them. I say stay competitive, make the playoffs, make the 2nd or 3rd round and I'll consider it a success.

2) Go with someone that CAN coach vs someone that might be able to coach? I don't need a hall of fame coach, but I'd like a coach with some coaching experience. From that first article, it sounds like that's not even a requisite for Morey?

Get an average team to play good. You make it sound so easy. I'm not trying to nitpick your opinion or anything, but I think giving Adelman one more year and then let him train a successor from within his own staff might be less of a gamble than picking someone and changing the system altogether. We played well to end the season (2nd half), i think we should build on it vs. having to start all over which is what's going to happen with a new coach.

x- · Post #14 » by x- » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:33 am

Really the only thing that gives me pause is the T-Will situation and Adelman's reluctance to let young players play through their mistakes in general, though the more I think about it the clearer it appears to me that Adelman is not the guy to 'blame' here.

I understand why Adelman doesn't trust T-Will, considering Terrence has played rather poorly other than in the Portland game and you can't blame Adelman for trying to win and go with the guys that are the most consistent, the guys he trusts the most.

Like AB said, the margin of error is very small. A couple of boneheaded plays (by Jordan Hill), a couple of unforced turnovers (by Ish Smith) or a couple of bad shots (by T-Will) often end up being the difference in a game. That's why teams with a lot of rookies usually suck. They're talented, but they're making way too much mistakes and often end up beating themselfes.

T-Will, Hill or Ish might very well end up being good players, but they won't win games for you now.
No coach will go with guys who might be good one day, instead of the guys who're good now. No coach will go with a guy who might play well, instead of a guy who's solid and productive night in and night out.
Not if the team's priority is making the playoffs, which brings me to my next point.

If anything the 'blame' should go to the Morey and the front office who haven't put Adelman in a good position. I mean, what's the plan here?
I trust Morey and think he's one of the best, if not the best GM in the league, but this team, as currently constructed has no real direction.
What's the priority? To win? Or teach to develop the young players?
I understand that Yao and to a certain degree Brooks getting hurt had something to do with the team having no direction, but that shouldn't reflect badly on Adelman now, should it?

I also don't buy the no championship argument.
The only team he's coached that was talented enough to win it all was the 2001/2002 Kings team and we all know what happened there.
Same thing with Adelman not being a good defensive coach.
He's no Thibodeau or JVG, but anytime Adelman has had good defensive players, his teams were top-5 in defensive efficiency.

So yeah, I hope the T-Will situation is still repairable, but by all means BRING ADELMAN BACK.

Aaron Brooks · Post #15 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:12 am

Myths about Adelman:

- He's not a championship caliber coach
Lost to Jordan in the finals, ran into a corrupt NBA official with the Kings, almost upset the Spurs with his Kings, almost upset the Lakers with the Rockets
- He doesn't preach defense
His teams have routinely been in the top 10 in defense, we just happen to be missing our defensive anchor the past 2 years
- He draws up bad plays
I remember many instances where he drew up good plays (Novak, Alston, Brooks, Martin game winners), some of which failed due to missed shots (Brooks in the season opener)
- He doesn't develop players
Refer to my earlier post

College Boy · Post #16 » by **College Boy** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:40 am

x- wrote:If anything the 'blame' should go to the Morey and the front office who haven't put Adelman in a good position. I mean, what's the plan here?
I trust Morey and think he's one of the best, if not the best GM in the league, but this team, as currently constructed has no real direction.
What's the priority? To win? Or teach to develop the young players?
I understand that Yao and to a certain degree Brooks getting hurt had something to do with the team having no direction, but that shouldn't reflect badly on Adelman now, should it?

Yao being hurt has everything to do with our lack of direction. We would all be singing a different tune about this roster if we had a 100% healthy Yao. It just sucks that the injury bug migrates to Houston for the winter.

zapatasblood · Post #17 » by **zapatasblood** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:00 pm

PocketRockets wrote:
zapatasblood wrote:I vote to not extend him. He is a good coach and can do a lot of things like get a average team to play good and get you the playoffs but he can win a ring. 20 some odd years tell me so and he has had some very good teams. I think there are a few coaches out there some whom we may not know about but you have to give someone a chance. I am hoping for the Shaw or whatever his name is in L.A.

1) We're not going to win a ring anytime in the next 3-4 years. With Miami, Chi, OKC, there's no way we can develop faster than them. I say stay competitive, make the playoffs, make the 2nd or 3rd round and I'll consider it a success.

2) Go with someone that CAN coach vs someone that might be able to coach? I don't need a hall of fame coach, but I'd like a coach with some coaching experience. From that first article, it sounds like that's not even a requisite for Morey?

Get an average team to play good. You make it sound so easy. I'm not trying to nitpick your opinion or anything, but I think giving Adelman one more year and then let him train a successor from within his own staff might be less of a gamble than picking someone and changing the system altogether. We played well to end the season (2nd half), i think we should build on it vs. having to start all over which is what's going to happen with a new coach.

I did not make it sound easy or at least I think I didn't because what he did was intense. Rick is not a coach that will mentor his successor or does not seem like he will. Rick wants a ring and does not want to teach so that in it self makes me think he is gone specially if you give him one year. Unless Morey makes some type of trade that blows his mind he will be leaving, so you might as well go for it now while there are some real good candidates out there.

NashyMing · Post #18 » by **NashyMing** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:08 pm

Adelman is a very good coach. He's one of best coaches in the league. I don't see the Rockets would be able to get an upgrade over Adelman. The only one I see that is available and maybe on the same level is Jeff Van Gundy, but I would say it's a literal move not worth risking. If Jerry Sloan is looking for a come back and willing to join the Rockets, I would consider him too. However, I don't really see either as upgrade over Adelman.

The best things for the Rockets would be the chemistry among players and I would give a lot of credits to Rick Adelman for maintaining the locker room.

If the Rockets do not keep Adelman, I would be really disappointed.

On the other hand, I would definitely like the Raptors to pick him up.

Note: I am fans of both Rockets and Raptors.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #19 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:46 am

Jerry Sloan is an upgrade over Adelman. But I don't think I'm ready to see his smug face on the bench every game. He looks like he's always upset. If we lose adelman, we'd be like the jazz without Sloan. A below par team. No coach can produce miracles without their star player, and Adelman has a beyond respectable record this season. If it wasn't for Memphis strong showing, we'd be 8th.

Post #20 » by **TMU** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:29 am

To be a championship caliber team, I think it's better off having a good experienced coach. I think we already have that in Adelman, and I can't think of a better replacement. It makes no sense taking a chance on Shaw or Turner when Morey has made significant strides rebuilding the team.

Down to Casey, Frank & McHale. Who ya got?