Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[yayotube]

After reading about his game, and looking at some footage. I've noticed that Barnes isn't that great at creating a shot, slashing to the basket and also his ball handling skills aren't the greatest. We already have a player like him in DeMar, he just needs to extend his shot out to the perimeter. A player that I think can suit our needs is Terrance Jones, the more I read about this guy and watch tape, he seems like he would be a good fit for us. 6'8 SF/PF, unlike Barnes, he has good ball handling skills, can pass and slash. Plays good defence as well, I would love for us to bring this guy in for a workout for sure.

Bro T-Jones slipped hard toward the end of the season and disappeared in the tourney. Barnes isn't the greatest and taking his man off the dribble but he has Demar's work ethic. If you look at it him and Demar would enter the NBA with the opposite skill sets, and Demar has slowly extended his range, that's why I'm confident Barnes will extend his game too.

[5DOM]

Yeah, Terrence Jones will probably be the best value pick if he drops. He does a lot of things well.

[Reignman]

After reading about his game, and looking at some footage. I've noticed that Barnes isn't that great at creating a shot, slashing to the basket and also his ball handling skills aren't the greatest. We already have a player like him in DeMar, he just needs to extend his shot out to the perimeter. A player that I think can suit our needs is Terrance Jones, the more I read about this guy and watch tape, he seems like he would be a good fit for us. 6'8 SF/PF, unlike Barnes, he has good ball handling skills, can pass and slash. Plays good defence as well, I would love for us to bring this guy in for a workout for sure.

Actually, his game might open up in the NBA due to more spacing and his skills compliment perfectly well.

Midrange - Demar/Barnes
Slashing - Demar
Ball Handling - both need work but Demar has figured out how to make it work regardless
Defense - Barnes
3 pt - Barnes
Rebounding - both will be adequate for their positions
Passing - both need to do work

I like that mix and of all the SFs in the top of the draft, Barnes compliments DD the best and his defense/rebounding is something we desperately need.

The thing both need to work on is becoming better ISO scorers but with their work ethic I don't see that being a huge problem.

[Brinbe]

RT @InsideScoopHeel: Roy Williams tells ESPN1000 that he does not expect Harrison Barnes to return

from ESPN chat

Any idea when we may hear anything from Barnes? Also are there any recruits in 2011 you think of as highly as you thought of Barnes?


Dave Telep
Harrison Barnes is legitimately torn. I think his "legacy" is a big concern to him and he knows UNC would have a title run should he stay. Factor in the lockout and the decision is complicated. I think he goes 1-5 in the draft so its hard to pass that up but he's a young man with extraordinary long term vision.

[Kevin Willis]

Leonard is in the draft as well. Declared yesterday.

Let's work it so we get Rubio, Kanter and Leonard/Vesely and call it a night.

[YoungD23]

After reading about his game, and looking at some footage. I've noticed that Barnes isn't that great at creating a shot, slashing to the basket and also his ball handling skills aren't the greatest. We already have a player like him in DeMar, he just needs to extend his shot out to the perimeter. A player that I think can suit our needs is Terrance Jones, the more I read about this guy and watch tape, he seems like he would be a good fit for us. 6'8 SF/PF, unlike Barnes, he has good ball handling skills, can pass and slash. Plays good defence as well, I would love for us to bring this guy in for a workout for sure.

Bro T-Jones slipped hard toward the end of the season and disappeared in the tourney. Barnes isn't the greatest and taking his man off the dribble but he has Demar's work ethic. If you look at it him and Demar would enter the NBA with the opposite skill sets, and Demar has slowly extended his range, that's why I'm confident Barnes will extend his game too.

You have a valid point, the best thing for us to do would be bringing both of these guys and let them go at it in the workouts. Its not the that I don't like Barnes, I would be satisfied with either of the two, just thought that Jones' game would be mores suitable for our team. When this time comes around, I always look forward to the workouts, I can't wait.

[sunny]

RT @InsideScoopHeel: Roy Williams tells ESPN1000 that he does not expect Harrison Barnes to return

from ESPN chat

Any idea when we may hear anything from Barnes? Also are there any recruits in 2011 you think of as highly as you thought of Barnes?


Dave Telep
Harrison Barnes is legitimately torn. I think his "legacy" is a big concern to him and he knows UNC would have a title run should he stay. Factor in the lockout and the decision is complicated. I think he goes 1-5 in the draft so its hard to pass that up but he's a young man with extraordinary long term vision.

That twitter account is from a duke fan and completely fake.
Common guys

[kdizzle]

If we stay at the 3rd pick, I would be torn choose between Barnes or Knight at the moment. I like Barnes and how he would complement DD, being the spot up shooter in the corner. And he also does more as well.

To me Brandon Knight has the makings Wall/Westbrook mix.

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[Kevin Willis]

What are people's thoughts on these rankings/projections of the type of NBA player this draft class would be?

http://scoutingthenba.com/

[sunny]

What are people's thoughts on these rankings/projections of the type of NBA player this draft class would be?

http://scoutingthenba.com/

Where is the explanation of how the system works?

[Reignman]

RT @InsideScoopHeel: Roy Williams tells ESPN1000 that he does not expect Harrison Barnes to return

from ESPN chat

Any idea when we may hear anything from Barnes? Also are there any recruits in 2011 you think of as highly as you thought of Barnes?


Dave Telep
Harrison Barnes is legitimately torn. I think his "legacy" is a big concern to him and he knows UNC would have a title run should he stay. Factor in the lockout and the decision is complicated. I think he goes 1-5 in the draft so its hard to pass that up but he's a young man with extraordinary long term vision.

That twitter account is from a duke fan and completely fake.Common guys

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[Kevin Willis]

What are people's thoughts on these rankings/projections of the type of NBA player this draft class would be?

http://scoutingthenba.com/

Where is the explanation of how the system works?

It's at the very bottom of the page.

[Consequence]

What are people's thoughts on these rankings/projections of the type of NBA player this draft class would be?

http://scoutingthenba.com/

Where is the explanation of how the system works?

It's at the very bottom of the page.

I'm pretty sure that this got torn to shreds on the General Board either last year or the year before. I'll try to find that thread.

[fredericklove]

After reading about his game, and looking at some footage. I've noticed that Barnes isn't that great at creating a shot, slashing to the basket and also his ball handling skills aren't the greatest. We already have a player like him in DeMar, he just needs to extend his shot out to the perimeter. A player that I think can suit our needs is Terrance Jones, the more I read about this guy and watch tape, he seems like he would be a good fit for us. 6'8 SF/PF, unlike Barnes, he has good ball handling skills, can pass and slash. Plays good defence as well, I would love for us to bring this guy in for a workout for sure.

yea, talk about a guy who absolutely disappear in crunch time, go ahead and take TJ w/ your 3rd pick.

[sunny]

What are people's thoughts on these rankings/projections of the type of NBA player this draft class would be?

http://scoutingthenba.com/

Where is the explanation of how the system works?

It's at the very bottom of the page.

LEGEND for Evaluation number

Tier I

300+

Has enough strengths to be a 1st team ALL NBA or Defensive Team

Tier II

250 - 299

Could be 2nd - 3rd best player on the team

Tier III

200 - 249

Starter capabilities 4th -5th man

Tier IV

175 -199

These players are more than likely a 5th - 6th man / usually a lack of separation or strength keeps these players from succeeding early. / Players drafted from this spot normally get a better chance to prove themselves if drafted to a losing team.

Tier V

100 - 174

NBA Player 7th - 10th man / more than likely something obvious keeps these players from rating higher

Tier VI

50 - 99

Prolonged time trying to make a mark in the NBA 11th - 12th man / Specialty players are big here aka rebounders, defenders - scorers. / These players normally play one side of the court well enough to make a roster spot and can become a valuable part of the team.

Tier VII

49 - Below

Prolonged time also just trying to stick on a NBA team as something more than a journeyman. Players that were fully evaluated will be career overseas or D-League playerst Finally if a player turns out ok maybe we did not have sufficient data.

Very Important to Understanding Evaluation Rankings:

- These numbers are made based on the effect of these players joining a 50-win team,

- These numbers are based on teams scouting players where defense is priority usually teams interested in holding opponents closer to 90-95pts.

- These numbers are not based on spread offenses, if a team is running a spread-uptempo offense. Then some players with greater shooting range can be worth more as much as 30pts.

- For additional information on any player please visit the STN Store



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is there something other than that? because that is not an explanation.

[fredericklove]

Irvng is not in tier one? wow.

[Kevin Willis]

Nope Sunny. That is it. I was hoping they would share the algorithm but that's all they gave. I guess that's why it was shredded but interesting nevertheless in terms of projections. That's why I asked for people's thoughts.

[sunny]

Nope Sunny. That is it. I was hoping they would share the algorithm but that's all they gave. I guess that's why it was shredded but interesting nevertheless in terms of projections. That's why I asked for people's thoughts.

I mean, looking at the past few drafts they have made some good wildcard picks. However, not knowing how they come up with those rankings makes it impossible to judge.

[TheRealDeal]

Nothing we didn't already know..

College underclassmen and international players who don't turn 22 this year have until April 24 to declare themselves eligible for the NBA draft. However, under the NCAA's new rules, underclassmen who want to retain their college eligibility have until May 8 to withdraw from the draft. In previous years, the NCAA followed the NBA's guidelines that gave underclassmen until mid-June to decide. The NBA will retain its June 15 withdrawal date, but for any college players who want to keep their eligibility, May 8 is the new date.

This new rule dramatically reduces the time college underclassmen have to determine their draft stock. The deadline takes place before the NBA's draft combine. The NBA starts holding private workouts on April 29 to give players a short window to determine their draft stock before the NCAA's window closes.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=InOut-2011&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft2011%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dford_chad%26page%3dInOut-2011

How many rules can they come up with to screw with the players? These self-serving moves by the NCAA just make the decision to declare even tougher. Now if your stock drops after getting tossed around in workouts there's no option of going back to school. At least these guys won't be scared off by the chance of being selected by the Raptors since the deadline is before the lotto.

[sunny]

For those curious: As of Tuesday, Derrick was planning on declaring without an agent but his coach (Sean Miller) wouldn't let him.